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You have been blocked for 24 hours for disruptive edits at Talk:Bogdanov Affair, particularly this edit and this legal threat. Please see Misplaced Pages:No personal attacks and Misplaced Pages:No legal threats. Please edit more constructively when you return. Bishonen | talk 01:51, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Please edit informationally

Hi, Sophie. I note that you started editing Talk:Bogdanov Affair in all caps again as soon as the 24-hour block ended. Please don't do that, it's seen as yelling, and it does look "hysterical", as your opponents on the page say. It's very hard for an outsider to follow what you say, especially if they can't read French, as all your references are to webpages in French. Could you try to find webpages in English to refer to as evidence for your claims? I myself found an English page by YMB about the Bogdanoff affair pretty easily through Google, so it can't be impossible. Please adduce facts and evidence to your claims, so that readers have a chance to evaluate them. Your editing does look better than before the block, so I won't re-block you right now. But if I see you do more name-calling or using all caps on that page again, I'm afraid I'll have to. Best wishes, Bishonen | talk 14:16, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

The opponent calling me hysterical did so when I had not posted anythiing at all so you should read the page again, what is written in capital letter was inserted long after the texts previous to it and after it had been written, so you can see that he is asking for my banishment for no reasons at all. I have not being editing ANYTHING AT ALL on this site and you know that. YBM has been editing all my writtings on it from the beginning also those of a user called Laurence but you never noticed it and do not blame him for that WHY? does he have the right to do it or are you just YBM himself? I don't see why you are talking about people who cannot read french as all I read is written in english and the links you talk about show a webside with links in it to the same contain in english and in german. Things you will know if you had consulted them instead of attacking me. You talk about yelling I am attackt for no reason and have to be subject to punishments which I do not deserve, and that you impose on me unjustified. All the reason you evoce her do not exist. I do not have edit anyone but my own texts. I write in english My links show a place written in 3 different languages. Links shown by other also show french web site in french like fr. physic and there is links on the french site about the bogdanov affair who show web site in english, so what you are saying is rabbish, and od not constitute an excuse for expulsion but are low argumentation to show an excuse to through me out, exactly as YBM did. The links i showed are not a web site about the bogdanov but about Voyer and YBM who act as a prove that the motives of YBM in that affair are not to conduct a scientific evaluation of the theory advanced by the Bogdanov, but a social experiment about manipulation of the masses and of evidences, as it is described in the web site which links are available in my column. Another link show what Voyer and YBM did to 2 other writers, a man ans a woman, previously to that affair, and show that he used of exactly the same tool as for this one, and that he stopped doing it when he begin to take care of the Bogdanovs affair. He is insulting the writters abondantly and even show the cover of their books with the title "de la merde!" made in such a way to appear like if it was its real title. I would like you to come forword with prove that I edited somebody text 'cause I dont see any. As for your 2 texts above I do not see what is the problem with them so explain yourself. What do you mean by threat? what kind of threat? I do read on YBM column a threat to get me banished and a threat to get me ignored and a threat to deleete all my texts no matter what I write with links to wiki revert function, which is illegal by wikis rules, and a threat to get presented as a vandaliser of the site with a link to do it, even so I did not have written a word about it. What do you mean I am not talking about the subject? Where? I am firmly keeping the subject: there is no error what so ever in the Bogdanovs book and in their thesis, there is no attempt on their part at lying or at making a bluff out of science, there is people who pretend to be what they are not and pretend to detain evidences of something they barely understand, and who constantly insult the Bogdanovs and anyone who do not have the same opi8nion as they have, who insult the Bogdanovs famili, teachers, physical appearence, life, friends, constantly and in many forum of the internet. This person is YBM and his associate are: Romnulphe, Voyer, rayon-z, and Max, and their name are to be followed every time YBM appear on a site about the subject. There is plenty of links about it. The Bogdanov have already discussed and rediscussed each and every point of the list of so called errors presented by those pseudo scientist, and have proven them wrong and other scientist have intervene too to explain how it had to be understood in theoretical physic, but yBm keep using them as if Igor had never argumented against it, and even do it in a way as if it was because he couldn't argue against it, even a fiew blog after he had got an all explaination about it. It just doesn't make sens. He always provocate people by personnal attacks and then reproach them to don't stick to the subject. Thats a clear line in all his appearences on the net. A specialist in theoritical science has once demonstrate to him how it hang together and explained each of the points he had listed, but even with that who was a perfect demonstration, he answered: I don't give a shit about it, and even if you prove me wrong on all points, I will continue anyway! he says that on fr. physic, and i put the link to it here and on the french wiki about the bogdanovs. Of course, if someone has decided that no matter what they will continue to attack you, even prooven wrong, there is not much one can do. His motives are unlegetimate, and thats what has to be understood. There is no real Bogdanov affair, it started with a paper in an scientific magazin, and the person who wrote that paper retracted it 4 days later as being wrong! John Baez did work further on it but was proven wrong by his collegues, and do not agree with YBMs' way of thought. Any references to John Baez is outdated from 2 to 3 years. All recent web site with speech from him are made by YBM on his own and without the consentment of John Baez. Writing to people employers is a method YBM used against the Bogdanov in that case but also against Sophie B. and Xavier in the other affair he conducted against 2 other writers, the women had written a cooking book!!! and lost her job because of him the other was a teacher and also lost his job because of the nature of the letters that YBM sendt to his employer. I think that enough is enough and that this guy has to be stopped. He cannot continue to create misery to all kind of people just for the fun of it. It is to be noticed that Xavier went to school with this YBM, and that YBM used the internet as a revenge agianst the succes of his class maid. Quiet pathetic, don't you think? This story is an act of madness and of jalousy.

sophie--213.237.21.6 03:49, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

Crossposted to Talk:Bogdanov Affair: block

I'm sorry, but the purpose of the page is to let people discuss the article, and this editing style of yours is driving off everybody who was actually doing that. I'm blocking you for one week, purely so as to allow the page to be used. Do please note that you can still edit your own talk page, and you can still e-mail other users. If you're willing to edit more to the purpose, please e-mail me, and I'll consider shortening the block. Bishonen | talk 01:18, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

What exactly do you mean by that? "sorry, but the purpose of the page is to let people discuss the article, and this editing style of yours is driving off everybody who was actually doing that" What do you mean by this "editing style of yours"? Are you suggesting that I have edit anything else but my own text? Or do you mean that I musn't perform any kind of correction on my own texts? Where are your "several warnings" that you talk about in the other site and who are OBLIGATORY to all admin before bloking a user? To let people discuss of what article? what are you talking about? this site purpose is not to discuss any article, are you completely unsane? Did you read this site entirely at any time? You have absolutely no rights what so ever to shortened the texts of other people. It is absolutely none of your business and it isn't part of your job as an admi. I found you vendicativ and partial, and you do not have what it take to be an administrator of this site if of any other. So, get lost!!! You too vaguely know about the subject, you do not know essential texts made in original languages (big minus) you don't even have followed the development of the discussions on this site, you first came in a week ago, you make falsh accusations to a victim of vandalism, you deny that fact once presented with evidences of it, you reiter your error and banish that person again because of personal dislike and professionnal failure to read and interprete correctly archives contain, you consciously wrongly accuse me of having perpetrated editing functions on other people text when it is a mistake from you, you are arrogant and insulting, and you deny factual proof who incommodate you. GO TO HELL! AND THATS EVEN TOO GOOD FOR A CROOK AND CHARLATAN LIKE YOU. ask georg to join you, I am sure the profiles feet. I am done at trying to square a circle or pour a quart into a pint pot,by trying to explain basical things to you. You don't have what it take to get it and it ain't going to happen sometime soon.

Rend mig i alfabeten!

Sophie --213.237.21.6 05:22, 30 August 2005 (UTC) There is more style over me than you could ever dream to possess.Get yourself a life!

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<A couple of sections here containing dialogue between me and Sophie have been moved here, as being strictly irrelevant to Bogdanov Affair. Sophie, please feel free to delete the following if you don't want it here.>

TALKING ABOUT NETIQUETTE STILL LEFT IN THE DARK

Dear Bishonen,

I think that you din't do a thorougly job, or you will know that I have been contacting Cereal@killer for more than a week, and didn't insert anything on this site before I had told him what was going on, but nothing was done, and nobody reacted´. I discovered about the "revert" fonction only early this sunday morning, and understood how all my posts were deleeted, even as I was writng them. I wrote in capital letterS for the simple and very evident reason that my different articles regarded different texts inside the site, wrotten at different time, and that the statement had to be visible, as it had became somehow outdated by the felony of YBM, and after the way YBM tried to force me into oblivion I had all rights to mark my point one way or another. As it concerned all the readers and users that YBM fooled by his tricks, I choosed to make my part easely recognisable that way also for practical reasons, to can see when deleeted and to can reinsert them easly, as Ididn't used the revert function, but undid the commited crimes mechanically. Don't forget that my statments were warnings to the other users, unless of course you conscienciously wish to forgot that. I tried last night to contact you but you had no email on your site, so you have to ask yourself why. I have been sending about 50 mails to wiki administrators and The Bureaucrate, related to this subject, in order to warn them of what was going on. Cereal killer did some research and what I advance about identity theft are HIS OWN WORDS, and the theft of identity concerned his, and not mine, which make the matter of the accusations even more serious than you first imagined. So don't mistake me.

Thought it was extremely visible in the archives that YBM was violating all wikis' rules and was the one vandalising my work, you didn't even took a look at it to control it before you bannished me, nor tried to contact me. I tried to contact you but couldn't as I was bannished...as I could read it in the window that opened when I clicked on your name... And another thing, when I opened this site, the night I got bannished, there was a line on the top of this blog telling me that I had 2 messages, and when I opened it the message was that I was banished and that the administrator who had banished me was Cereal@Killer. As I was mailing him regulary about the matter, including that night, I was very surprised of it and asked him why. He didn't knew about it and made some research, and is still doing so. Your name with another administrator was only visible several hours later, so something tricky really happened there. You ask for evidences before advancing a statment, I have and have came with them. But I don't see any proof for YBM insults, and you didn't even try to warn him or to stop him before, why? I went through a lot of channel and trouble during several hours every days, before you finally made an apparition.

What is wiki policies when a user vandalise another user and take control over a site, and report at the same time the users which texts he has vandalised as being those vandalising his?

You have none, and it can very easely occur and stay unoticed for a very long time as all can see it here. All can see that the 2 first times that YBM asked for me to be banished, insulted me, and pretend that I vandalised his stof, there was absolutely no comments, and no previous texts from me to explain his sudden suggestions. His suggestions pop up like out of the blue. And you didn't found it strange? Why? A reread will be the appropriate thing for you to do at this point.

That my tone can go some notch higher, and my words begin to cross the line, cannot be so surprising to you and others, knowing that he had, at the time I wrote them, previously deleeted my non agressiv texts 12 to 20 times, and even 7 times in the curs of the same hour, and as I didn't used the revert system, I had to rewrite and reinsert them ALL one by one... would you have stay perfectly come? or... Would you have lost your temper and knock him out? I am sure that the later is everybodys choice. Too bad it can't be done on line, or there will be much lesser of his kind trying to create trouble, unpunished.

I did nothing wrong at all. I did wiki an extremely good and generous favor, and you should thanks me instead of blaming me or teaching me some not-think-through-second-hand-morale. I defended myself and my rights for freedom of expression, by lack of anybody from the wikis' power board doing anything to hinder an informatic maniac in crossing every word I printed here. I did YOUR JOB, without the means you have, without the possibilities, with very limited tools in a very restrictiv set of rules. But I achieved it. The alone time I deleeted his posts, was after 3 days and nights he had deleeted mine, and after having send 15 emails to a chief administrator of wiki about it. I cant do for your bureaucratie blocking democratie and freedom of speach, nor can I do for your internal communications problems due to wikis global extend and size. But you can, at least partially. For exemple by saying, "sorry, Sophie, that we weren't attentive enough at the time of the crime and for having not given enough attentions to your repeated alerts, and your friendly hand, and sorry that it had to go to that length before we reacted, and sorry to have been so fast to react to the call of the crook and let you down for so long, and sorry for reacting first after you had in fact founded a solution to the problem". Will it be going too long a way to ask you to do that, or do you have your selvknowledge wisdoms book handy? Its nice to see you on the scene of the crime a week after the massacre started, but don't play hero nor moralist to me, you had yourself fooled by the criminal and helped him greatly in accomplishing his felony by banishing me without having conducted a proper investigation of the scene. A look in the archive will have shown you that my texts were bleeding, not his. You cant, at the same time, do nothing to stop him, let me fight this unfair battle on my own, and at the same time reproach me for becoming angry (Heaven forbid! I've got emotions!?!) and for writing my statments in capital letters. This isn't ethically defendable.(is there a rule against that by the way? what about using capital letters to give my statements the title "Garbage"? which must be unemotionally insulting, meaning acceptable on Bishonons weather reports scale, if I follow your listed comments above) Don't forget that he begin long before that, several days before, and please do not mix the cause with its effects, and give the guilty part a more visible sight of the consequences. Those rules are elementary in any analysis and in any honnest wish to see an evolution take place. You have confess not knowing a thing about the subject discussed in this blog. Well let me give you a short introduction: In a huge number of forums about the affair on the internet, YBM has been the motor of all attacks against the Bogdanovs, that he has kept running for no apparent reasons, and has hurted and insulted all kind of people on all of those forums for very questionnable motives.

The incident here begin with my found of the reasons laying behind all his accusations up to now, his way to turn around arguments, and his his censorship of texts in order to use them as evidences, and that I made those answer available here, revealing an aspect he had managed to keep perfectly hidden during those 2 long years of diffamations and public executions, up to now. He couldn't afford this, and thats why he went through such a big trouble and took such a great risk at exposing himself for vandalism, in order to hinder this information to hit the Internet, and the same audience that he had entertain all that time with his lies. Better being banish for a day or two from wiki than loosing his face in front of all those who had actively or sincerely followed him until now. If you have had some previous knowledge of the case and of the caracter involved, you will most certainly had been more cautious with YBM activities and his so call vandalisms alert. I would like an explaination and I would like to know why it took you so long, why I wasn't contacted when I was contacting admi on wiki, why Cereal Killer was the name who appeared as being the guy who banished me when he was a sleep at that time and unaware of the situation, and why you didn't even tryed to investigate the case out of my informations before telling me to come with evidences of identity theft. From my point of view, it is at wiki and not at me to do so, and that is what they are actively doing -from my source of information-, that I will warmly encourage you to consult with. YBM is working with informatic and has done similar stof before. Which you will also be familiar with if you had followed the case before or since it started 2 years ago. You havn't, so your ignorance of those inherents details is very understable, but you could have used of your wiki contacts to undo this lack. You choose not to do so, which place the ball into your camp, and this 2nd balls name is professional error. Don't come blame me for trying to undo the evil of another, I ain't in the mood for that, and 9 days of serial provocations have made me quiet sensible and easely edgy. Handle With Care is now all over my name.

Have a nice, righteous, and ethical day.

Sophie XAL --213.237.21.6 01:24, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Hello, Sophie. You show some misunderstanding of the nature of the site and the function of its administrators. This is a private site, not the guardian of your freedom of expression, and to edit here is not anybody's "right". You are welcome as a contributor only on condition that you respect policies. Administrators aren't paid lawyers, they're volunteers—ordinary users with a few extra buttons—and it's not practically possible for me, and not my responsibility, to research your contacts with Cereal@Killer, or any of the other things that you recommend me to do. If you have a serious problem involving Misplaced Pages, I strongly recommend you to e-mail User:Jimbo Wales, the site owner. I'm here on this page only to try to help the editors to discuss the article constructively, not to take part in the discussion myself. That's why I gave my intervention the heading about "talk page etiquette", and please note that I gave some tips to YBM as well as to you (even though I can't say I see him violating civility). Normally I warn before blocking, even several times, but in cases of outrageous edits such as this, I block immediately on becoming aware of them. This is policy. I'm sorry about your problem with e-mailing me, but I don't understand it. My wiki e-mail function has been enabled the whole time. Please note also that you can edit your own talk page even if you're blocked, and the blocking admin will be watching it for messages. About your experience of Cereal@Killer appearing to be the blocking admin, the only explanation I can think of is that CesarB also blocked you, a couple of minutes after I did. This would have made his name, not mine, appear as the blocking admin on the message when you tried to edit. There's some similarity, so might you have mistaken his name as Cereal@Killer? You misread me when you say I have "confessed" to not knowing a thing about the subject. What I said above was I hadn't known of the subject before. I used Google and read a number of webpages about it, including YBM's, before responding to him here, and before blocking you. I've no intention of taking sides, though. To discuss the subject and hammer out consensus about the article is for its editors to do, not me. I intervened only to uphold policy on this page, and to try to help a talk page process that seems to be foundering. Bishonen | talk 08:24, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

I have never deleeted your messages, nor your answer to my post for the good reason that I first see it only now, 14 hours after you posted it!!! I found you freak to introduce you answer with this kind of comment and with an unverified accusation as a title, which confirm your prejudices about me, and point in the direction of an active cooperation between you and YBM. All evidences show that I have never done this kind of thing, but of course, apersonne having the mentality to perform this kind of thing herself, will found it easy to se it in others, like the tief fear of being stollen. Your inclination at seeing this on me is a sign that you are used of doing it to others. If you don't like what you are doing, stop doing it or choose another website. As for your comments on admion wiki being volonteer, it dosn't mean that they have the right to compensate it by being slack or by doing as they please, and being less serious in their endeavour than if they had a pay check. You accepted the job, volonteered for it, and accepted the conditions. Now you have to follow them, not adapt them to your own needs and psychological drives. Je n'ai jamais effacé ton message ni réponse pour la bonne réponse que je ne le vois que maintenant!! et nous sommes lundi soir 23 Heure!! Sophie --213.237.21.6 21:05, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

I do not have mix cereal killer with César B that I mailed to the 26 of august, César B name appeared with yours several hours later only. You write about YBM: "even though I can't say I see him violating civility" are you blind or just taking side? He was encouraging users to register me as vandalizing the site when I didn't have and as he was deleeting systematically all my comments. The text you refer above, was the result of several days having all my texts deleeted, after having send several mails to an administrator about it and questions about how to handle it, and after 3 hours that night trying to reinsert my texts anf having them deleeted immediatly by YBM. YBM took his chance at contacting you when he saw that text, that he probably was waiting for and had planned will happened by provocating me as he did, and you just did what he wanted you to do, the compleete wrong thing. If you were following what he had done from afar, and didn't blocked me after he had contacted you, but from your own judgement, so it proves that you have friendship with YBM, or you will have warned him or blocked him immediatly and even the days before. What you are confessing here is that you knew what he was doing you knew it was forbidden and you let him do it and continue to do it day after day, and awaited together WITH him that I became angry enough to do or say something that you could use against me to block me, as you had arranged it with YBM. The text you name is not insulting but the truth, did you tried to investigate it? In fact I was warning him about it and could have not say a word and let him take even more risks and get a big surprise later on. All show that you work with and for YBM. You handled the situation all wrong and are still doing so and you even use the same methods than he does, when you for exemple begin your answer and give it the title that accusing me of having deleeted your article when I do not have and never saw it before now. I have written my answer to your first intervention early monday morning, and corrected it the following 20 minutes, and you have been writng your answer to it as I was making changes on the content of my own text and when I saved it it created a conflict, maybe because you saved yours at the same time or because you had performed a change on the side before I had finished to correct my text. You should know about this type of conflict better than I do, and that you try to use it against me by even trompetting this lie accusation in your title, proove that you are the larbin of YBM and I ask for you to be removed as administrator of this site. You didn't answer any of my questions made in my first answer to you, and all you have been writng in that one show that you do as if I didn't have told you about YBM vandalism performed on all my texts for several days before I wrote the text that you estimate as being "too much" and block me immediately against all wiki rules about procedures, and without emiting any kind of warning against HIS attacks and behaviour anti netettiqette, that you still happily ignore, and doas if YBM did not do anything wrong, and never sayed anything insulting, and as if there is no such thing as cause and effect, but effect to be used as cause when it suits your and YBM plans. Your credibility in that affair is below zero, and it is shinning bright that your are being dishonnest about it. The worse fact is that you didn't banished me out of ignorance of the facts at hand and because you ignored what YBM had done, but knowing it perfectly, which mean that you agreed with his actions by non interventions, and by intervene when I did one thing, one time, of the same type than he had done more than 7 times the hour preceeding my banishment from the site, and many more times on the preceeding days up to then.

You are openly lying, for all to can see, and I will certainly not accept those accusations and hypocrites attitude of yours, serving the sad cause of humiliating me and trying to destabilisate me by present me as non reliable and like Pursuing to deleete your post! I strongly suggest you to remove your falsh accusation contained in your title and the first part of your intervention, and to give me excuses for exposing me when you had no evidences to sustain such agravating accusations, and could easly access data to confirm or infirm them. Have a nice time with YBM.

SOPHIE XAL --213.237.21.6 21:42, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

If you click here and then scroll down, you'll see my message, and how it's deleted through your edit. Yes, it proabably did happen through an edit conflict, and I'm sorry if I seemed to be implying you did it on purpose. If you don't follow the instructions that come up with the edit conflict message, you can under certain circumstances delete the other person's post. (If you just click "save" again, on the other hand, you'll delete your own.) I understand that the edit conflict instructions can be quite confusing, and that you're not used to them. The best way to avoid edit conflicts is to not have the edit window open for that long, especially on a frequently edited page like this. I recommend writing the actual message in a text editor, then opening the edit window and pasting it in quickly—it's the method I use.

I do make allowances for your being upset, but that doesn't mean I'll tolerate being spoken to like that. (I can understand French just fine, by the way.) Please note: if you talk that insultingly to anybody on this site again I'll block you for a week. Bishonen | talk 22:02, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

I have never insulted you nor threatened you, but you just did!!! How come you only think now about conflicting edit? You could see on my text that I had just posted it and could easely see that it had been changed, so that it was about conflicting edit. I just saved my answer, came back to the site, to see is somebody had posted something, and found nothing but my own post, before changes, then assumed it must have been a change made on a former post or a server problem, clicked on edit on my own text again, deleeted my text and insert the copy of the corrected one and saved the page. I didn't see your text anywhere in the process. So it isn't my doing nor my mistaken way of using wiki. You make accusation and you think its allright, I defend myself and proove you wrong, and you found it insulting. Do you have such a big problem at saying you are sorry, or is it me having too big expectations on other people sens of ethic? By the way you still don't have argue about your blocking of me and letting go of YBM felony. Do you agree with his methods and his abuse of wiki tools? Are you a fan of his manipulations, or are you just deliberatly blind to it all? You don't tolerate being spoken to "like that", like what? like you did to me? or being pointed that it isn't allright to just blame me for all your wrong doings and denying to adjust your truth to the reality? Ditto my friend ditto, I don't like it either but the difference between you and me is that I have been injured by your errors of judgements and still are, the difference is that I expect polite reparations, and only get your angryness and further accusations and further wrong doings, and threats, and abuse of your administrator status. You already abused of it, remember? so try to digest my writtings and to reflect on them instead of rushing to the boxes, it will do a lot of good, and we will avoid those conflicting edits, and might solve the conflict all together. I ain't a copy conform of your soul and being, you've got no problem with that I hope?

You want to banish me for a week? Be my guest, make it a year!

SOPHIE XAL --213.237.21.6 22:34, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

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Resuming

Hi, Sophie, I'm really sorry I've wound you up to such an extent, and I'm sorry I seemed to accuse you of deliberately deleting my post. I'm sure you didn't, and I never meant to suggest it. (I have said this before, but I think you may have been too upset to notice.) Replies to some points you raise follow:

"What do you mean by threat? what kind of threat?" Do you mean where I say in my first message, at the very top of this page, that you've made legal threats? Threats made on Misplaced Pages of legal action against other users are against Misplaced Pages policy. When a word is blue in the text, that means it's a link, intended for you to click on for further information. Please click on the blue links in that first message of mine, and you'll see which of your posts I'm referring to as being a legal threat, what exactly Misplaced Pages's policy is on legal threats and why, and several other things that may be useful to you.

"What do you mean by this "editing style of yours"? Are you suggesting that I have edit anything else but my own text? Or do you mean that I musn't perform any kind of correction on my own texts?" Not at all, none of those. I'm sorry, I do see that "editing" was unclear, thanks for giving me a chance to clear this up. I used the word as in "edit a page" = "write on a page". By "your editing style" I mean the things you write, the things you say, to and about other people. In other words: I won't have you driving off the people trying to discuss Bogdanov Affair by poisoning the atmosphere of Talk:Bogdanov Affair.

"To let people discuss of what article? what are you talking about? this site purpose is not to discuss any article, are you completely unsane?" Uh... yeah, getting there. The purpose of Talk:Bogdanov Affair is to discuss Bogdanov Affair, actually. The only purpose. If you don't believe me, I suppose that accounts for the problems you've been causing on Talk:Bogdanov Affair.

"You have absolutely no rights what so ever to shortened the texts of other people. It is absolutely none of your business and it isn't part of your job as an admin". No, it's not, and I haven't shortened any texts. This must be some misunderstanding. Bishonen | talk 20:25, 30 August 2005 (UTC)