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CadenS, disparagement of another editor's motive and mentality is against Misplaced Pages WP:AGF policy. Since a WPA was raised about your behaviour a number of editors have made sincere efforts to get you to cease such incivility. It is regrettable that in the above post you continue your attacks, in this case against Realist, using inflammatory phrases such as "another attempt to silence me", "left wing liberal mentality" and "nothing more than bigotry". I am not an administrator. I will not support your kind of intemperate discussion. I now recommend that administrators take action such as blocking your account. Cuddlyable3 (talk) 16:24, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

I'd recommend that admins block you. You've been on my case for a month now just itching to have me blocked. I'm fed up with you and your never ending nonsense. I would appreciate it if you would get off my back and leave me alone. CadenS (talk) 00:04, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

CadenS please read WP:BLOCK so you understand what you recommend. I respectfully suggest that you consider first your options WP:WPA or WP:RfC if you believe my discussion has been inappropriate. WP:RfA is your option to submit a dispute to the mediation committee. Cuddlyable3 (talk) 07:39, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

No thank you. I'm done. CadenS (talk) 11:43, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Free photograph

{{helpme}} I'm not sure how to go about finding a band picture that isn't copyrighted. I'm trying to locate a photograph of the Metro Station (band), so that it can be applied to that group's page. Can anybody help me with this? Caden S (talk) 16:30, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

• Free Image Search Tool is a good place to start. Also, try placing {{reqphoto}} on the talk page. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • 18:48, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Alright, I'll do that. Thanks for your help. Caden S (talk) 20:40, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Two things...

Firstly, categories should be as specific as possible, "pop groups" is clearly not as specific as "pop punk" and "alternative rock", which may I remind you are genres listed in the infobbox. Pop is not. Secondly, your edit summary requires a little more civility, "Your really starting to piss me off", is not appropriate behaviour, please read WP:NPA. Regards Nouse4aname (talk) 12:35, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Look, I know what genres are and I know what's in the infobox. Pop belongs in there too. Pop is as specific as it can be. I apologize for my edit summary. I was a bit annoyed with your edits. Caden S (talk) 13:10, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

That's fine. If you can find sources (that comply with WP:RS) for the genres then by all means add pop to the infobox add the category also, but having one thing in the infobox and another thing for categories is just confusing! Cheers Nouse4aname (talk) 14:04, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I see your point on how it can become confusing. Let me look in to some reliable sources for the pop addition before I mess with the infobox. Caden S (talk) 14:41, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Cool. Sorry, I should have explained my reverts more thoroughly in the edit summary. Nouse4aname (talk) 14:42, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Dude no need to apologize. It's alright. Caden S (talk) 14:50, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Also, I should warn you that many editors, especially those involved in the FOB article are very precious when it comes to genres, so I'd make sure that you have decent sources, and possibly bring it up on the talk page first. Just so long as you have good, reliable sources though, no one should be able to complain to any addition. Nouse4aname (talk) 14:45, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Okay just give me some time to look in to it all. Caden S (talk) 14:55, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Realist2 can't stop wiki-stalking me

I'm finished with you and your childish games. Go stalk somebody else. I'm fed up with your unnatural obsession for me. Feel free to stir up all the wikidrama you seem to enjoy on Misplaced Pages. I won't be a part of it. Caden S (talk) 17:07, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

July 2008

Welcome to Misplaced Pages. The recent edit you made to Heterosexuality has been reverted, as it appears to be unconstructive. Use the sandbox for testing; if you believe the edit was constructive, ensure that you provide an informative edit summary. You may also wish to read the introduction to editing. Thanks. Fieldday-sunday (talk) 14:22, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Re: Genre

Let's give the others some time to weigh in. It's a holiday in the United States so they may not comment for a day or so. There's no rush. There's a lot of other work needing to be done on the article, such as the Musical style section being expanded, and the newer additions to the article being copy-edited for prose, etc. LaraLove|Talk 17:17, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Alright, sounds fair to me. Are you working on the Musical style section? Caden S (talk) 22:02, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

As for the picture, de gustibus. But - to be fair - the tagged text needs to be sourced before being restored

Do you think it makes sense to keep the sentence that "heterosexuality is the most common sexual orientation"? To me it smacks of unexamined common sense. Sounds good until you pick it apart a bit. Are we talking about the present or the past? Are we talking about exclusive heterosexuality, in which the practitioner claims to have no other attraction, or inclusive heterosexuality, which can include other attractions to some degree or other? It is not a cut-and-dry thing, in my opinion, and we should not make sweeping generalizations which we can not properly defend, certainly not in the intro. Haiduc (talk) 15:08, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Of course it makes sense! It's common knowledge that "heterosexuality is the most common sexual orientation", whether you like it or not. That sentence is talking about heterosexuality and not what you're trying to imply. You're entitled to your opinion but my opinion is that its pretty cut-and-dry to me. Anyways, by the looks of your page you've made yourself more than clear concerning your agenda on Misplaced Pages. Caden S (talk) 20:17, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

We do not have to agree. But you do have to source the statement, you cannot just stick in anything you please because it sounds good. Haiduc (talk) 22:48, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Uh, say what? I did not "stick" that sentence in the article. It was already there. If you had looked at the edit history on that page you would of known that. Look, I'd appreciate it that you not accuse me of something I didn't do. It's rude. Caden S (talk) 18:05, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

AN/I

FYI, you are being discussed at WP:AN/I. Avruch 16:11, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. I just replied there. Caden S (talk) 17:20, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

I read your case at AN/I. With regards to your personal story, I have to say I am deeply sorry that happened to you. I assumed something like that had happened to you given your bias against gay people, and I'm truly terrified to see I was correct. There is no excuse in the world for what happened to you- NONE. Though I cannot assume to understand the mental and physical pain that experience caused you, I sincerely hope that your mind and heart will heal one day. I'll be the first to admit, there are some fucked-up evil gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender people in the world - as with all human beings, that is to be expected - but I hasten to remind you that we are not all like those men who so cruelly assaulted you. I repeat, there is absolutely no justification for the pain they inflicted upon you and I hope you can accept that I sincerely empathize with you as far as I can understand your situation. Best Wishes. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 21:44, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you Bookkeeper! Your message means a lot to me and is greatly appreciated! Caden S (talk) 22:41, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Professional wrestling newsletter

The WikiProject Professional wrestling newsletter Issue XX — July 6, 2008

Project News December to Dismember (2006) is currently under Featured Article review (link). Starrcade (1983) has failed its Featured Article nomination (link). List of WWE SmackDown video game titles has been elevated to Featured List status (link). IWGP Junior Heavyweight Championship has been removed as a Featured List (link). Faces of Fear (link), Maria Kanellis (link), Paul London (link), Survivor Series (1994) (link), The Mega Bucks (link) and WWE SmackDown (video game series) (link) have been elevated to Good article status. Backlash (2003), Dark Angel (wrestler), Juggernaut (wrestler), SummerSlam (1988), SummerSlam (2004), and Survivor Series (2004) are currently Good article candidates. Lockdown (2008) (link) and Survivor Series (2007) (link) are currently under Peer Review. Category:Vengeance is being discussed at WP:CFD for renaming, it's discussion page can be found here. The C-Class rating has been introduced. The rating falls between articles that are more than Start-Class, but less than B-Class. Immediately put into effect, our project has begun use of the List-Class rating. The List-Class rating is for list articles that are of less quality than B-Class articles. Current Events At Night of Champions: Mark Henry became the new ECW Champion. Kofi Kingston won the WWE Intercontinental Championship. Cody Rhodes turned on Hardcore Holly to capture the World Tag Team Championship with Ted DiBiase. On June 30, CM Punk won the World Heavyweight Championship on Raw. Trevor Murdoch was released from WWE on July 3. The Month in Wrestling History June 24, 2001 - Edge defeated Kurt Angle in the finals of the 2001 King of the Ring. June 26, 1992 - Buddy Rogers died of a stroke at age 71. June 28, 1999 - Steve Austin defeated The Undertaker for the WWF Heavyweight title. July 2, 1969 - "Iron" Mike DiBiase died of a heart attack in the ring. July 3, 2001 - AJ Styles and Jerry Lynn become the first NWA World Tag Team Champions under the ownership of TNA, via winning a tournament final. Professional Wrestling Article Stats Our goal is to get the number of Stub-Class articles below 600. The current count is 631. It would be greatly appreciated if anyone could help expand and/or source an article or two. A list has been placed on the stub article subpage of stub articles of well-known wrestlers that should be fairly easy to improve. Professional wrestling articles Importance Top High Mid Low Total Quality FA 2 3 5 FL 1 6 14 21 GA 5 17 45 67 B 1 14 65 202 282 C 1 10 44 55 Start 2 52 211 2310 2575 Stub 1 24 602 627 List 1 7 39 46 Assessed 3 74 335 3223 3639 Total 3 74 335 3223 3639

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Kotra/Jay/Idea

Kotra I do thank you for your support. Honestly, it gives me hope to see that there are some civil editors such as yourself as well as Jay on Misplaced Pages. I'm sure there are others out there. I want to say how very disappointed I am that Realist2's overaggressive behavior appears to be completely acceptable behavior by many editors on Misplaced Pages. Notice how he continues to personally attack me, continues to lie about me by putting words in my mouth, continues to accuse me of things I am not doing, and continues to twist my past edits in order to get others to turn against me by making my past edits sound as if they were current. All this because of his hatred for me and because of his anti-conservative biases, which I should note are very disturbing to begin with. We all have biases but he's allowed to do whatever he pleases on here. At least to me it appears that way. Thank you Kotra for encouraging me to stay and help out as much as I want. I believe I will now remain. I enjoy editing and I enjoy Misplaced Pages. I will keep in mind to assume good faith as you suggested. But as you know, it has been difficult to do that with Realist constantly harassing me. Chances are, he will probably continue to follow me wherever I may go. It's just so frustrating for me. I wish he could just stop it. Only other editors can stop him. It's beyond my control. Your idea to start fresh with a new username is not something I want to do. My true name is Caden and I prefer to keep it as my username. I also would like to thank Jay for being fair, honest and civil towards me. If Jay were to become an admin in the near future I would sure as hell support him. (I needed to say these things because I didn't want to leave Jay out and besides it's the truth.) Anyways, I have an idea that I think may work if others are okay with my idea. Would you Kotra be interested in adopting me as a user if that would make others more happy? Would this be okay with Jay? I'm willing to do what I can to resolve this bloody mess that won't seem to go away. If this means mentoring or what not so that others feel better, well, then I'm willing to make a go of it. I'm willing to stay away from pages on sexuality if that's what others want. I would like to be allowed to edit on the male rape research page though. My edits reflect that I have been neutral and have done a good job. I believe I am a good editor and all my recent edits on many pages show that. It bothers me that instead of my good edits being focused on, things are being focused instead on my past edits (by some editors) and that makes no sense to me. I feel I am being punished and I'm sorry but this is how I personally feel. I would ask that I be left alone by Realist. I've taken far too much nonsense from him. Like I mentioned above, I'm open to being adopted and I'm open to a peaceful resolution. Please let me know what you think. This includes you too Jay. Thanks. Caden S (talk) 22:30, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm happy to hear you'll be giving Misplaced Pages another shot, and that you enjoy editing on the whole. I certainly enjoy editing, myself, when I'm not being reverted anyway. As for your adoption idea, it's interesting, and could help. I haven't ever adopted a user before, and I'm not able to commit a lot of time to mentoring, but I'd be willing to give it a shot. I'll add the necessary templates if you accept. -kotra (talk) 23:46, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Please add the necessary templates, I would appreciate it if you could adopt me. Thanks. Caden S (talk) 00:40, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Adoption set. As your mentor/adopter, feel free to come to me anytime you have questions about Misplaced Pages, a dispute with another user that could use mediation, or for advice in general. I'm fairly experienced around these here parts, and I'll be glad to lend my thoughts on anything Misplaced Pages-related. Since I know Misplaced Pages policies and guidelines pretty well, I can also be an advocate for you if you're being unfairly accused or harassed, but don't assume I'll always be an ally: if you do something wrong I'll let you know. But I don't anticipate that happening as long as you assume good faith (I don't mean with Realist2, but with other users in general) and avoid making anything that could be remotely seen as a personal attack (Misplaced Pages editors often are very touchy). I have much faith in your ability to become a great editor, and I look forward to seeing your progress! -kotra (talk) 03:34, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

I will go to you for any questions I may have on Misplaced Pages, or any advice I may need, or even if I need help with a dispute if that should happen again. I shall not assume that you will always be an ally. If I should mess up in any way, please let me know and please help to get me back onto track. But if I should be unfairly accused or harassed on something, please do advocate on my behalf as well. I don't anticipate on any of this happening as I plan on doing my best to avoid any such problems. But I'm not perfect as you have noticed and I have made some past mistakes. Any help from you is what I think will be the best help and it should make others feel much better. Once again, thanks so much Kotra for believing in my ability to become a great editor and for your fair and honest support. Caden S (talk) 04:30, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

I'd like to say, while I realize Realist2 is...stubborn, to say the least, he is not a bad person. I don't agree with how aggressive his conduct with you has been, and I've chastised him for it (predominately off wikipedia since he and I chat on AIM frequently). I want to put my next few words as delicately as possible: While both of you have clear bias, you're edits, Caden, tend to be much more obvious in comparison, which includes your conduct with other editors. I'm not saying Realist2 has perfect conduct either, but he consistently works on controversial subjects and has a earnest need to keep information as neutral as possible- something all editors should strive for. From a third person perspective, your edits to the E.O. Green shooting and heterosexuality (strictly as an example) display(ed) POV based on minority opinion and your personal experiences (which although valid, do not represent neutral or academic perspective), and combined with your temper, leads to disruption. IF you are to continue editing LGBT, sexual orientation, and rape-related topics, you need to devote yourself to placing your personal experiences aside and rely wholly on credible academic sources, making sure to balance every negative and positive detail in accordance with policy -even when its something you personally disagree with. Not only that, you need to pay close attention to how you actually write/phrase your contributions. Even statements which are factually true can be written to appear bias. I would be more than willing to work with you on any of these topics to make sure civil environments are kept in tact. As a general rule, I would suggest consulting the article's take page before making controversial edits, as wikipedia policy also require consensus. I've asked Realist2 to come to an agreement to discontinue monitoring your contributions if I take over as your adopter. And with kotra in agreement, I'm sure he won't feel the need to. If you agree, feel free to contact me. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 00:12, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your offer but I would prefer if Kotra could adopt me instead. Please do not take offense as that is not my intention. To be perfectly honest, I'm not comfortable with your association with Realist on and off Misplaced Pages. Again, please don't take offense as I truly believe your intentions are indeed good. As for controversial subjects, I did do my best to keep information as neutral as possible. I have no interest whatsoever on editing LGBT topics but please do not take offense to this either. I am just being honest. I am however interested in editing male rape topics but I promise to place my personal experience or feelings aside. I will also pay closer attention to how I actually write or phrase my contributions in the future. I plan to try my best. I'm also still interested on working on other articles as I have worked on before that are not related to this whole messy situation. Caden S (talk) 01:01, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

No offense taken. I've still made it clear, I'd prefer if Realist2 discontinued watching your edits. From this point forward, I'll disassociate myself from you as well. If we cross paths on articles again, rest assured it will be by coincidence and not wikistalking. Best regards. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 01:08, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for making that clear to him but please do not disassociate yourself from me. I never believed nor thought that you were wiki-stalking me. I apologize if I gave you that implication. I would appreciate any feedback from you on any edits I may do. Feedback is good and can help in many ways. Caden S (talk) 03:17, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the offer, BotO. Co-adoption (two adopters, one adoptee) is an option as well, and it might resolve the situation more quickly, but that is of course up to CadenS. I'll do my part to help out either way. -kotra (talk) 03:34, 8 July 2008 (UTC)