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System of a Down

Protected. Danny 00:37, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

OK, good. Thanks. -- Mike Garcia 00:38, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Nice job getting that one guy--64.12.116.68 15:53, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Allroy

Just saw your request for Jimbo to ban Allroy, and then his talk page, which seems like you two made up (please correct me if my glance was wrong). In the future, it's better if you ask a sysops like Danny from above, or myself to do blockings, as Jimbo is generally only involved in overall policy and only the absolute critical cases involving users. Between running Bomis, Wikicities, and Wikimedia, and speaking at lectures in all corners of the globe, he's got little time to do individual tasks. Thanks! -- user:zanimum

Re:The Offspring's EP Baghdad

Thanks Mike. Yeah, AMG has nothing on it. I'll see what I can come up with. Jaxl 22:27, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, I know AMG doesn't have it and the original art cover of their self-titled album before the recent one. -- Mike Garcia 22:29, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Okay, if you can provide the personnel, that'd be great. I don't know anything about it myself. Jaxl 22:34, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Producer

Hey again Mike. I was just wondering what do you use in order to find producers of albums so fast as well as other facts so quickly? Redwolf24 02:36, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

Every Good Boy Deserves Fudge

Hi. I was just wondering where you got your information on the recording date of Every Good Boy Deserves Fudge. All Music says it was recorded in 1991, so i was just wondering if it says so differently on another site or if u have the actual album. Thanks. Jobe6 17:03, July 27, 2005 (UTC)

civility policy - explained by a sysop

Please be nice to newbies and anon's. If someone needs a "harsh warning", you can ask a sysop (like me).

Paradoxically, using harsh words to try to make someone toe the line can backfire. (You could run afoul of our civility policy yourself, and you wouldn't want that, would you? ;-)

I unlocked the System of a Down page, but if anyone starts bad-mouthing anyone - either via edit summary or talk page, I'll have to ask him to take some time off from this project. Uncle Ed 16:53, August 1, 2005 (UTC)

Adminship

Hello Mike. Can I nominate you for an adminship? - Darwinek 13:46, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

• Done. Just go here and answer a few questions. - Darwinek 14:16, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

A beating

Man, you have taken quite a beating and still standing, you have to really love Misplaced Pages. Now even monitoring articles for vandalism. --Vizcarra 17:29, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

Aerosmith's Box of Fire

Thanks for fixing up that article, Mike. I had a feeling that each disc was a different Aerosmith album, but I didn't know which one was which. Jaxl | talk 19:38, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

System of a Down

Mike, I'm baffled by your reverts to Mezmerize. Aren't you aware that Billboard is the company that originally publishes the chart positions for all the singles? AMG's data comes directly from Billboard, and is currently out of date. Can you please explain why you are adding misinformation to articles? I have shown you evidence that BYOB peaked at #4 on the Mainstream and Modern Rock charts. Rhobite 21:42, August 8, 2005 (UTC)

Yes, Rhobite, of course I know that Billboard is the company that originally publishes the chart positions for all the singles. But, I don't care which source to cite for charting singles. I wasn't trying to say that the allmusic.com or billboard.com version is correct. That's why I kept reverting you and anon users on Mezmerize. -- Mike Garcia | talk 21:49, August 8, 2005 (UTC)

That's as total a non-sequitir as I've ever seen... you "don't care", but you keep reverting anyway. *Dan* 22:55, August 8, 2005 (UTC)

That answer is incomprehensible. You keep reverting the changes because you don't care which source is cited? It is obvious that the Billboard data is more recent than the AMG data, since they report a higher peak chart position. Therefore we should use the Billboard data. Unfortunately Danny appears to be away, so I'm not sure what to do; if you continue to add incorrect information to the article, I may block you from editing temporarily. Rhobite 00:16, August 9, 2005 (UTC)

Band names requiring pluralized verbs

Hi, you recently changed the first line in Refused from "Refused were a hardcore band" to "Refused was a hardcore band". I am changing it back from "was" to "were": most band names, though they don't look like it, are plural, and in the same way one would say, for instance, "the men were a band of brothers" or "the flowers were fashioned into a single bouquet", so it is that "Refused were a band". This is the standard in English generally and in the music press: please see the first sentences of The Clash, Pink Floyd, The Beatles, or The Sex Pistols for examples of this usage.

Many other music articles employ the usage that you are advocating, though this is an Americanism not for use in writing: if you read further on in, for example, Fugazi, Green Day, Minor Threat, or The Mars Volta and others (all American bands), the name of the band accompanied by a singular verb in the first sentence is immediately followed by sentences with the plural pronoun "they", directly referring to the band. For instance, the following needs to be fixed: "The Mars Volta is an American musical group founded by Cedric Bixler Zavala and Omar Rodriguez-Lopez. They are generally considered rock, with heavy punk, prog and Latin influences. They are known for their wild live shows..."

If "they" replaces "The Mars Volta" in the second and third sentence, it must also be able to do this in the first, but as it stands this cannot be done: "They (Mars Volta) is an American musical group..." is clearly incorrect. This incongruity isn't acceptable even given the modern English usage of "singular they" to refer to an unknown or unfamiliar person, since that usage is based on gender neutrality, which is not at issue with these band names.

Are you making changes based on some grammatical rule I don't know about? —Tarnas 03:11, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

There are differences in American vs. British usage in this regard. The British usage seems to be to use plural verbs when discussing any sort of group or organization, such as company names. American usage tends more to the singular except in cases where the group name actually sounds plural; "The Beatles are..." and "The New York Yankees are..." sounds OK, but "Pink Floyd are..." and "IBM are..." sound funny because those names don't have "s" at the end. "The Boston Red Sox are..." is OK, since it sounds plural even if it's got an "x" instead of "s", but for non-plural-sounding team names like "The Miami Heat", "is" sounds better. I suppose, however, that the British have no problem saying "Manchester United are..." in their own sports reports. *Dan* 03:45, August 10, 2005 (UTC)

Are you sure this is an American/British thing? I'm American, not British, and the grammar I explained above is common American English as far as I can tell. The American music press also follows my "pluralized" usage: search for Green Day or The Velvet Underground at AllMusic.com, for instance, or read this randomly selected news dispatch from MTV.com (note: "System of a Down are...", "Built to Spill have..."). You are talking about American sports press (which I also follow a lot :)... ha!), which is not famous for its good grammar but perhaps more for its colloquialisms, such as the one being discussed. As I said, the "singular" construction is common, but not fit for writing, unlike other AE/BE conflicts which involve sound conventions on both sides. —Tarnas 04:29, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Help

Two of the Motorhead singles are in VfD as the editor who redirected Ace of Spades and Motorhead live versions put them there after I undid his redirects. Ace of Spades (song; live) and Motörhead (song; live) - please help by voting to keep, the timelines will make no sense, the discography will be shot, they are too young to die. thanks, Alf 12:05, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

Mike Starr

I know that name from somewhere...I just can't remember where... Hamster Sandwich 04:13, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

He was the original bassist for the famous grunge group Alice in Chains until 1993. -- Mike Garcia 14:10, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Geez Louise! I wrote that article, you would think I'd have remembered... sorry for being a little slow on the draw there, perdner... Hamster Sandwich 05:33, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

Content disputes

Please do not add content disputes to WP:VIP. --fvw* 23:10, August 24, 2005 (UTC)

And do not remove complaints about yourself from WP:3RR, it could easily be seen as trying to hide something and disruption. --fvw* 00:00, August 25, 2005 (UTC)

Please stop removing the 3RR charge. Let admins sort it out. If you continue to remove it, you will be blocked. Thanks! Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk 00:01, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

I have blocked you for six hours for disruption for removing other peoples comments from talk pages. Please try mediation or if necessary an RfC after you return, but do not continue this edit war and do not remove other people's talk. --fvw* 00:05, August 25, 2005 (UTC)

Mike, if you can't provide a legitimate source (an interview or a music publication) for the Hypnotize naming thing, please don't add it to articles. Thanks. Rhobite 00:32, August 25, 2005 (UTC)

Hephaestos

Mike, please stop vandalising Hephaestos's user page. He isn't here any more, it's your fault, and even now you continue to vandalise his page, adding insult to injury. The evidence that you have been doing this via anonomous IP addresses for months (years) is overwhelming. I don't understand what your obsession with him and images of penises is, but you have to stop. The very next time a penis shows up on Hephaestos's page, I'm filing a request for arbitration. Func( t, c, @, ) 16:20, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I didn't do it. -- Mike Garcia 16:27, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

It's a vandal. See User:Mike Garcia. with a period at the end. Hamster Sandwich 16:35, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

sorry, nevermind, I thought it was the same kind of user vandalism I had to deal with yesterday. Must be different somehow. Hamster Sandwich 16:38, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Paul Lennon

Please don't add nonsense to this article. No-one supposes he is related to John Lennon. If you do this again I will report you for vandalism, for which you already obviously have a bad reputation. Adam 04:16, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

This goes for the other articles about people named Lennon (first or last name) -- Chuq 11:31, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Forging?

Did you forge User:Ilyanep's sig here? Jobe6 04:33, August 26, 2005 (UTC)

Lennon articles

Why would anyone be confused? Are you going to go through every single biographical article and list all the other people with a similar name and say that they are not related? The opposite is the case - if there was some link between the names, it would be noted. The changes you are making are cluttering up the articles, and I'll continue to revert them. -- Chuq 14:27, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Mike, you were unbanned after a long period of being banned on the condition that you behave sensibly and not vandalise or make stupid edits to articles. And here you are doing it again. Do you want to get banned again? Adam 14:41, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

I seem to remember at one point the article on Jesse McCartney specifically noted that he's unrelated to Paul McCartney, but that's not there any more. I guess it's not really a good idea to fill up articles with notes about who or what the subject of the article is not related to, though in some cases where there's a popular misconception about a relationship that doesn't exist there might be cause for such a note. *Dan* 15:51, August 26, 2005 (UTC)

Jeff Garcia

Are you related to Jeff Garcia? Jobe6 21:21, August 27, 2005 (UTC)

No. I'm not related to any famous Garcias. -- Mike Garcia 21:23, August 27, 2005 (UTC)

Okee dokee. Jobe6 21:25, August 27, 2005 (UTC)

Then maybe you should put notes on your user page about all the famous Garcias you're not related to, just like you're doing for the famous Lennons not related to John? *Dan* 22:10, August 27, 2005 (UTC)

Vandalism vs Content disputes

Please stop referring to content disputes as vandalism. This merely polarises the discussion and does nothing to help solve the issues at hand. --fvw* 01:29, August 30, 2005 (UTC)

Making nonsense edits to multiple articles, in the knowledge that other people will have to spend their time cleaning up after you, is vandalism. Adam 01:36, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

Nonsense is in the eye of the beholder, I get plenty of google hits for both system of a down being nu metal as well as alternative metal. Assume good faith. --fvw* 02:05, August 30, 2005 (UTC)

I see where you're coming from fvw, but I agree with Adam - these edits are pointless and are just going to be reverted whenever they are made. -- Chuq 21:57, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

Hephaestos

Mike, I have blocked your main account for 24 hours for your tireless obsessive vandalism of User:Hephaestos page. This has to stop. I am collecting IP evidence to show that the vandalism to that page, despite coming from multiple AOL IPs, is beyond a reasonable doubt coming from you. Please respect the block. If you wish to protest it, I'm sure enough other admins watch your talk page that they will hear you plead your case. Func( t, c, @, ) 01:26, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

For the last time, I am NOT the one who vandalized Hephaestos' user page, so stop accusing me and unblock me now! -- Mike Garcia 01:48, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

How could IP evidence prove anything about specific AOL users? AOL IP addresses are assigned by page, not by user. If Mike in Redondo Beach, California accesses User:Hephaestos, he may very well have the same IP address on that page as Bob the AOLVandal in Las Vegas, Nevada. Guanaco 02:39, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Guanaco, first, I won't object if you unblock Mike. That would be your call as an admin very senior to me. Second, no, because Mike knows that we are friggin powerless to do anything about AOL users, he ensures that we can never conclusively prove that his vandalisms are his with rigourous verifiability, because of course Mike could just happen to use the same AOL IP addresses within minutes of Hephaestos-stakers placing images of penises, etc.

Look, I know Mike's history, I know that we're all being nice to him in the hopes that he won't become public Misplaced Pages enemy number one again, but he must stop vandalising Heph's page!. He personally chased Heph away, and he is still chasing him. It adds insult to injury, and I can't stomach it any more.

The diff-evidence, combined with IP address evidence will be overwhelming, as I'm sure the ArbCom will find. Func( t, c, @, ) 03:11, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Actually, I am not an admin anymore, so I cannot unblock Mike Garcia. Even if I could, I would recuse myself from using admin powers in this case. I will wait for the IP evidence to be shown before I make up my mind on this. Guanaco 00:24, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

Eh, moot point anyway. Appearently, I didn't block User:Mike Garcia but User:User:Mike Garcia, whom was subsequently unblocked by Merovingian. In any case, I'm currently embroiled in an open proxy thingy. I was angry, and I've calmed down, but the next time a vandalism occurs on Heph's user or talk page with all the classic trademarks of User:Michael, or the next time I see someone impersonating Heph , I'm putting in a request for arbitration. Func( t, c, @, ) 02:06, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

User categories

Hi Mike. Unfortunately it's not right for you to put your user page in Category:1983 births and Category:Guitarists, these are for articles only so I have removed them. However you can use {{User guitar-1}}, {{User guitar-2}}, {{User guitar-3}} or {{User guitar-4}} on your user page depending on your level of skill, which will also put you in a category. the wub "?/!" 10:46, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

Hypnotize

Mike, I've no idea what this fuss is all about but you seem to be not quite right there. A {dubious} is a compromise between the deletion and the addition of your unverified claim. I've nothing against you but I read the article a month or so ago and believed it, so I feel a bit fooled now. You cannot call my edit "vandalism", I know what vandalism is in wikipedia and therefore feel libelled. Please stop reverting now because you're already above your 3reverts. Just let go for today. I advised that the anon too.NightBeAsT 15:44, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Block

Mike Garcia, I have blocked you for 24 hours for a WP:3RR violation on Mezmerize, per WP:AN/3RR. This appears to be a clear cut WP:3RR violation; I will reiterate that in 3RR it does not matter who is "right" or "wrong"- it is only to prevent edit warring. Mike Garcia, looking at the talk page, I think they're trying to get you to cite your sources, so in the future, don't revert when there appears to be a consensus against adding that statement. Regardless, unless it is clear-cut vandalism (which this does not appear to be), do not revert more than 3 times in a 24 hour period. Thanks for your understanding, and feel free to contribute to Misplaced Pages after your block expires. Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk 16:36, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Mike, I will assume good faith and presume that some AOL IP addresses are not you, as Pasboudin charges. In either case, I stumbled upon your previous messages telling Pasboudin to "prepare to leave", and also placing a "vandal" tag on his page. I urge you to remain civil and not do any of those things (see WP:NPA and WP:NLT). If you have a dispute with Pasboudin, please see Misplaced Pages:Dispute resolution, where you can file a WP:RfC, undergo mediation, or file an WP:RfAr. Thanks for your understanding! Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk 23:33, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Reply: System of a Down

Hey Mike, I'm not actually changing alternative rock to nu metal. So stop being an ass and get your facts right. If you want proof look in the article's history or else u can stfu. thx