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NEW CONTROLLER INFO

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The new controller was first revealed at the TGS event in Japan during a keynote speech by Nintendo President Iwata.

The new controller looks like a mating of an Ipod and a remote; using sensors in the controller and on the TV, it can detect the controller movement, like a mouse moving in the XYZ plane. An analog stick with 2 shoulder buttons is available as an attachment; much like nunchucks, it connects to the remote to allow stick control as well. IGN.com has an excellent writeup on the controller, the demos they were shown with it (including a retooled Metroid Prime 2 level compatible with the controller!) and speculation on possible control for various different games.

That is one bad ass controller. That seals the deal; I'm getting an Xbox 360 and a Revolution! Xbox 360 will be great for some really improved versions of games we're used to playing now, the Revolution will be truly revolutionary from the looks of it. The PS3...ugh...looks like the same old crap there. I see no reason to get a PS3 actually, most games on it will be ported to the Revolution/Xbox 360...both consoles have been pledged a lot of support from third parties. Majal Kita 21:50, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

Sorry kid, but Metal Gear Solid 4 is better than all xbox360 games. --Mateusc 01:59, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

Hah! Good one! Haven't we played enough of the same old MGS? MGS 1, MGS 2, MGS 3...you mean to tell me something I've played 3 times already is going to be better than any game on the Xbox 360? By the way...chances are good that MGS will migrate to the 360 or Revolution, or possibly both in the future.

About the name

Nintendo Revolution is still a code name , so i changed the first sentence --Highwind 02:14, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

Next Nintendo console is currently called N5. There's no hint it will be called GameCube 2

Moved atricle

I moved the article because it is very unlikely that the next console will be called "Gamecube 2"

• Should this article now be moved to Nintendo 21? BrokenSegue 21:15, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Why? Theres absolutely no official news on the name and Nintendo still refers to it as Revolution. Wait for something official. E3 isn't that far away. K1Bond007 22:21, Feb 6, 2005 (UTC)

Wait until TGS (tokyo game show) to change any of the name stuff, its imperative that N release all the juicy details about the system so we should know for sure then, no need to change it till then **EDIT: Recently read the TGS company list of who is gonna be there for 05 and nintendo, as usual, is not on it. Do not worry about this, nintendo does not usually show up at this event with anything new or at all. N will probably show Revolution at the Nintendo Space event thingy.

Edits

I have created a rumors section, and added the hardware specs to it. The purpose of this was clarification, as well as adding room for expansion. Feel free to add rumors from other (credible, not your own speculation) sources, under new subheadings.

Rumors

I think it's safe to say the first two rumors in the section are pretty much BS. If Microsoft and Nintendo were cooperating together you would have heard something by now. That and the rumor was over a year ago. At this point it seems rather outlandish. K1Bond007 06:01, Mar 11, 2005 (UTC)

Agreed, but I suggest holding off until E3 (when the next-gen platforms will no doubt be unveiled) before nixing the rumours en masse. Sockatume 17:46, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Hasn't this been cleared up at the GDC? Do we really need to wait for E3? Jacoplane 04:05, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Well, if there's a proper release at E3, we could simply wipe all the rumours off the article in a one-er and rewrite it based on the facts. You could get away with deleting those first two rumours now, but there's still the incredibly distant chance they're true. Sockatume 14:35, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)

New York Times article

I found a NYTimes' article about Xbox 360 and has some information about the upcoming Nintendo video game system.

Perrin Kaplan, Nintendo's vice president for corporate affairs, said GameCube's successor would be "very, very sleek." She described it as horizontal and no taller than a stack of three DVD cases.

Unlike GameCube, the new system will play DVD's, Ms. Kaplin said, and will feature a wireless controller. It will play GameCube games as well as a new class of high-definition games, with new emphasis on online play.

Oh well, just a couple of more days until the big video game expo opens to confirm this. --Chill Pill Bill 16:20, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

Here is the Nintendo article, which states it will use double-layer DVD's and can stand either horizontally or vertical. Thunderbrand 21:37, May 13, 2005 (UTC)

Huh...the news item was recently changed to "12 cm optical dics". Oh well... Thunderbrand 00:40, May 14, 2005 (UTC)

Ah, thanks for that, I didn't realise Nintendo had made an actual release.Sockatume 01:52, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

A/B buttons

Why would the Nintendo Revolution not use the A/B buttons introduced on NES in the 80's? Nintendo should stick to the A/B buttons standard so the system can be capable of re-releasing NES games in multipacks for future game titles like Midway Arcade Treasures 2 did. --SuperDude 01:55, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

I'm a bit bemused about the whole thing myself. Either they've got a really major change in mind for their console's input, or they're doing something incredibly boring lik ditching letters in favour of colours on the buttons. Not long to wait, hopefully, until we find out what's going on. Sockatume 13:52, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

Well, the rumors concerning a touchscreen claimed the 'buttons' like a and b could be configured on the touchscreen. Like, moved in position or changed in size. Juan Ponderas 14:30, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

If they are planning to allow the system to emulate the nes snes, 64 and cube then they would either need a readily modified controller with all the same buttons as previous systems or they would need a controller with lcd touch screens to allow the games to change the controls to whatever system it is using and have it look and feel the same, only problem is the Z button on cube and 64, they would need to have it moved to a good place in between. But since the system and controller could be using anything from gyration to holographic projection, this is all opinion.

Helmet?

Is it a helmet? Well, that's what I saw on the video link. • Thorpe • 15:40, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

It's a confirmed fake, by a rather creative individual called Pablo Belmonte. You can find his site here, and he's hosting various "teaser" promos for the console to boot.Sockatume 16:32, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

Name

Damn, this name thing is messy. I'm trying to move the name to Nintendo Revolution (it has been confirmed ), but I turned it all into a big mess. Could someone straighten this out? Thanks. EliasAlucard|Talk 19:04, 17 May, 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, Satoru Iwata in press conference confirmed just now, Nintendo Revolution is the final name. --Mateusc 17:22, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

Heh...looks like someone moved it to GC2. Thunderbrand 17:23, May 17, 2005 (UTC)

Damn.. this is a mess. Edit this page only. The page will be moved by an admin soon. K1Bond007 17:35, May 17, 2005 (UTC)

We need to switch the name for this. GC2??? It's called the Nintendo Revolution.

It will be moved K1Bond007 17:40, May 17, 2005 (UTC)

There we go. K1Bond007 18:37, May 17, 2005 (UTC)

Nintendo says the Revolution is not the final name of the system. Although the Nintendo DS was the code-name for it, but i'd thought i would mention it. Click here. Thunderbrand 02:14, May 20, 2005 (UTC)

Good find, although we should have known since the pictures they released are still prototypes and not the final design. Said to be smaller. I wonder if that "Nexus" rumor was anything. Oh well. I suppose we'll find out later in the year. K1Bond007 02:35, May 20, 2005 (UTC)

Backwards compatability

Just a minor thing to clear up. In the press releases, they mention that they can play all the "nintendo games from the past twenty years". The nintendo part makes it seem like it will be only first and second party games that will be downloadable.

So, does anyone know for 100% sure?--Havermayer 02:34, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

At the Game Developers Conference 2005 Mr. Iwata confirmed that the Revolution will be backward compatible (as in accepting gamecube discs) with the Nintendo Gamecube. ]80.57.84.149 14:45, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

GCN games can be loaded in via the optical drive and older games can be downloaded. CyberSkull 02:24, 2005 May 26 (UTC)

To actually answer your question, Miyamoto-san said in this interview with IGN that they are in discussions with third-parties to feature their classics in addition to Nintendo's own for download. Personally, I'm hoping they'll make a deal with Square-Enix so that I can finally play Super Mario RPG legally. -Luigi2 00:57, May 27, 2005 (UTC)

One would think that nintendo would see the huge advantage in allowing 3rd party like SE and sega (sunsoft released) games on there download system. However if anyone had any doubt, its not a free download system you will have to pay for the games you download, nintendo did say some games would come preloaded but other than that its a buy and play system, not the best idea imho.

Nintendo said that they would make some games available when you purchase a Revolution game, like if you buy Zelda, you could maybe get Zelda for NES for free. I think the service will be very much like iTunes. Seeing the relationship Nintendo has with Sega now, I see it as a posibility that Sega games will be available for download via the Revolution system. I'm sure we'll get to know more this fall.

Btw, Super Mario RPG is owned by Nintendo, not Square-Enix. They just made the game. Havok 15:31, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

But many characters in SMRPG are owned by Square Enix. -- A Link to the Past 06:25, July 15, 2005 (UTC)

Name and Debunked Controller Rumor

It's very unlikely the new system will be called "Gamecube 2", as the system is not shaped like a cube.

Also, Nintendo has stated that they will *not* include a second screen on the controller or system, so that kills the posibility of the controller being one big touch screen, unless it's just a touch pad. I know there was an actual statement about this, issued from Iwata if I remember correctly, but I can't seem to find it. Ironically, there seems to be several dozens of websites believing the touch-screen rumor for every one page containing the statement from Iwata.

I've changed the touch-screen rumor info into past-tense, and once I found the quote from Iwata, I added that in as proof that the Revolution's controller will not be a touch-screen. In addition to that, I added some speculation about GameCube controller relations with the Revolution. I found the following info here, on IGN's Revolution FAQ.

Q: Will Revolution feature screens on the console or the controller?

A: No. At a June 2004 analyst briefing in Japan, Nintendo president Satoru Iwata said, "We have no intention of making a two-screen console akin to the DS."

Are we sure that Revolution has been adopted as the official name? I remember one of the guys at the E3 press conference saying something along the lines of "We're sure you've got your own ideas for the name, and we'd love to hear them". Sockatume 15:55, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

We're sure they won't name it "GameCube 2", but unsure if they will keep the name "Revolution". I think I remember someone from Nintendo stating recently that Revolution was still just a codename.

But it'd be nice to see Nintendo keep its name as "Revolution," don't you think?;mdash;Quickbreak 22:43, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

Got a nice ring to it, as long as they ditch the Rev-(big-disk)-luti-(small-disk)-n logo. Sockatume 01:06, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

if you look at iwatas statement, he says they wont make another 2-screen system. If anyone read that carefully they would realize that he never answered the question fully, kind of answered a different question with similar aspects. The controller is just becoming a bigger mystery and now that i think about it, its interesting how much isnt and is known. Since N has experimented in holo and gyros they might as well invent a time machine and call it the nintendo retro.

One thing that has been bugging me since E3. How will the Wavebird reciver fit on the Revolution? The top of the Revolution is flat, while the front of the GC is roundish. Havok 16:06, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Accourding to what I have read, I might be able to find my source (I'll try), Nintendo confirmed that there will be enough space on the top of the system (standing verticaly as presented) to fit the Wavebird reciever. Off I go source hunting... --Ritz 30 June 2005 23:25 (UTC)

Not the most succesful quest but basicly it is confirmed along with all the other information Iawata revealed a while ago to the Japanese press, I think there is a source link somewhere in the article - oh here, for refrence look here: . Looking at that one picture up close, I dont have much trouble seeing how the reciever will fit --Ritz 30 June 2005 23:39 (UTC)

Photoshop images

What's with the photoshop image of the retro-"Revolution"? It's so obvious. This should be removed and deleted. As if we need more images of the system especially fake ones. K1Bond007 18:47, May 22, 2005 (UTC)

Agreed. I removed the retro image. The red Nintendo logo on the front of the console especially gives it away as a fake. Atomic Cosmos 12:59, May 23, 2005

I would buy it if Nintendo made a limited edition Revolution that looked like that. Havok 15:59, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

If there are going to be any photoshoped images, it should be on the Revolution main article and it should be made clear that they are just concepts.Jack Lumber 12:51, July 13, 2005

Specs?

Someone posted specs on revolution processors without posting a reference to them. I've checked the existing references, but they all say Nintendo hasn't said anything on the chip specs. CyberSkull 02:22, 2005 May 26 (UTC)

Ok, I see it's taken from the rumors section. I'm going to remove it from the confirmed specs section. And do the wireless controllers really use Bluetooth? CyberSkull 02:34, 2005 May 26 (UTC)

It's not been revealed as such, and it seems unlikely, as Nintendo went with a proprietary system for the Wavebird. Sockatume 11:30, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, someone went and put a bunch of speculation in the specs section. I had to clear most of it out or over to the rumors section. CyberSkull 12:08, 2005 May 27 (UTC)

downloadable games

Famitsu Magazine has said something about what downloadable games will be availabe, so I added a list of them to Rumours and Speculation.

I'm not so sure. Some translations of that scan suggest that it's merely a count of Nintendo firstparty titles for each platform, as a suggestion of the number of games which could be available. Is there a reliable translation available anywhere? Sockatume 13:11, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

This is what I've been hearing. I changed it to state 221 published games. I don't know the exact wording here. Feel free to tinker, but I know they didn't break it down by system. (45 GameCube makes no sense if the entire system is compatible with GameCube games) etc. I don't know. The last line about Wifi and Super Smash Bros Melee and all that is probably false. K1Bond007 16:40, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)

no, WiFi is correct, super smash brothers i cant comment on, but i certainly read about the cub e being wifi compatible since it will link to the DS

Downloadable Games

Nintendo announced the games will not be free.

http://cube.ign.com/articles/622/622870p1.html

There's some disappointing news for those expecting these classics to be available for free. Nintendo is planning on pay downloads as being the standard for this download system. There will be many types of services, though, including limited time free downloads. One possibility mentioned by Iwata is free downloads as bonuses for buying new games.

actualy he didnt say pay mode ... its more a plus like you buy Zelda Revo and get a code or a file or something that lets you download say Zelda from nes or Zelda 64 or the complete Zelda Saga ... whell thats what i understood :P

"Virtual Console" Section?

Shouldn't we add a section devoted to the "Virtual Console" idea? Here's a very rough draft, with some of the E3 comments by Mr Iwata.

"Virtual Console"

One of the most unique aspects of the Ninendo Revolution, other than the yet-to-be-seen controller, is the fact that it can download more than 20 years of Nintendo content. There are at least 150 games that should be avaliable for download on Day 01.

Unfortunatley, it would seem that the game downloadsd will not be free, which comes as a huge dissapointment to many, but many will just as readily pay to play these great classics again.

Many third parties have expressed great interest in the idea, and wish to distribute their old games through this method, again charging a fee in the process. It would seem that this method will fulfill Valve's vision for Steam.

---

Here's a bit from Iwata's E3 Speech.

Finally, I would like to give you one full answer to a piece of the revolution puzzle, as talked about previosuly. Backward compatability.

As I said, the disk drive will accept GameCube games, but we are redefining the term backward compatibility. That's because we have designed Revolution to a _virtual console_, capable of downloading twenty years of nintendo content. ]

You will be able to purchase great games origionally created for NES, Super NES, and Nintendo 64. It is accurate to say that Nintenod revolution is technically capable of playing virtually every Nintendo COnsole game ever created.

The idea of a single device transporting us back to the first Exitebike, Earthbound, or should make us all feel young again. At least for a while.

Exitebike Punchout Legend of Zelda Mario Brothers

F-Zero Super Mario World Super Mario Kart Super Metroid

Mario Kart 64 Super Mario 64 Wave Race 64 The Legend of Zelda: The ocarina of Time

There's some disappointing news for those expecting these classics to be available for free. Nintendo is planning on pay downloads as being the standard for this download system. There will be many types of services, though, including limited time free downloads. One possibility mentioned by Iwata is free downloads as bonuses for buying new games.

The internal flash memory is being used for a few areas besides the download of game classics. You'll be able to save games to the flash area, update the Revolution's firmware (adding new features along the way, presumably) and download game demos! That's right, Revolution game demos, downloaded right to your Revolution hardware.

It's pretty much covered in the opening paragraph, and there's not much more info (the pricing structure's unknown other than that charges will be a possibility), so I'd say we should leave it be for now. Once there's more information it can be expanded into its own section. Sockatume 22:30, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Actualy, the "backwards compatability" section could be expanded. The problem with the "very rough draft" is that it is everything but from a NPOV. Anyway, I'm going to mess around a bit with that section and see if some stuff can be clarrified. If I use information from your draft, I'll give credit in the Edit Summary. --Ritz 20:25, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The section has been added to the article. As well as putting it in front of "Rumors and Speculation". --Ritz 21:20, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

About all my edits

The revision history is flooded with my revisions and I just wanted to note that it's so users may revert to an earlier revision to make a correction without reverting all my work (and because I was obsessed). If for some reason, all my work is to be reverted, so be it - (but please explain why). But I just wanted to give people (including myself) the option to correct and revert without getting rid of everything in the process. --Ritz 21:39, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Ritz the only method I know for reverting articles involves restoring a previous version of an article by editing a previous version stored in history. If your first edit was to be reverted, the whole thing would be (well, it would probably just be changed). Although, I could be wrong. Juan Ponderas 04:05, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Oh ya, I understand that, but in the case only a bit of my edits needed to be corrected - the option to go back only a little bit is there. Anyway, the greatest reason for huge amounts of edits is just me finding something to correct, fixing it and then saving, just to find something new... :) --Ritz 04:40, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Regarding recent "controller" paragraph

Someone added a new rumor regarding button placement on the controller. I feel the paragraph and quote integration is ok, must could use some improvement. I seem to be lacking the skill to have the paragraph "flow" properly, so if anyone wants to try there hand at editing diction and grammar to make the paragraph easier to read, and general improved over its current state, that would be great. Thanks. --Ritz 00:12, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Added Stuff

I added some information about the downloadable games. I was also going to add some 'leaked' images of the Revolution in the rumours section but wasn't sure if I should.

Yeh, well there are just so many different "leaked" (see faked with photoshop) images crawling on the net, I dont think they should be posted. I think rumors placed into that section should come from a credible or reliable source - cause its so easy to make a rumor yourself and put it there. It's kinda iffy. Also, make sure you sign your posts, (three dashes and four tildes) --Ritz 23:19, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Oh, thanks... what's a 'tilde'?

This is a tilde ~. Using four of them (~~~~) will print your name and the date, like this. Optichan 20:36, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)

A Tilde can be made by holding down shift and pressing the key directly below ESC. You can also just press the button or exucuting "javascript:insertTags('--~~~~','','');" "--Wulf 18:50, July 10, 2005 (UTC)" --Wulf 18:50, July 10, 2005 (UTC)

Confirmed titles

Confirmed titles in that section should be just that. Unfortunatly, Mario 128 as Mario Revolution is a rumor, and should be placed there. --Ritz 23:44, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I was under the impression from everything I've read that Mario 128 is something totally different than the game they're developing for Revolution. I guess it's just me. K1Bond007 23:47, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)

Mario 128 is confirmed just as much as "Mario Revolution", seeing as Miyamoto-San is saying that he is moving Mario 128 to the Revolution. "We think we want Mario 128 on Revolution... The Mario team can't create too many games at the same time, so they're concentrating on the Revolution." Either we add two Mario games, or leave it as it is. Source Havok 23:48, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

By the way, could someone post a link with sources for the confirmed games, I'm just curious. Havok 23:51, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Well they think they want it on Revolution, and I have no doubt personaly they are developing for the Revolution, but they haven't said outright it is. Although I do think the possibilty of two mario games listed may be appropriate. --Ritz 23:54, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

http://www.nintendojo.com//infocus/index.php#1119050850 is the source of the 5 original games I listed as confirmed. Unaware of other's sources for other titles. --Ritz 23:57, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Then I think we should remove the "wishful" thinking titles, and move them to rumors. And use the section "Confirmed titles" for just that, titles that have been confirmed for the system. As stated in the link you gave me "Funnily enough, video game retail giant GameStop has listed on their website the five Revolution titles pseudo-announced at E3." I wouldn't quote an online retailer as official. For now everything is just plain rumors. Havok 00:01, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Ah yes, I agree then. --Ritz 00:05, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Wasn't Super Smash Bro's. Revolution a confirmed title though? Considering the president said he was pushing to make it a launch title? I'll see if I can't find a source. --Ritz 00:11, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I just watched the conference again and Iwata-San said that Squarenix are working on a Crystal Chronicles game. He also said showed of a trailer of Metroid Prime 3 and said he wanted to have Super Smash Bros' as a launch title. But again, it's still just rumors and speculation. They have not confirmed it other then stating that they are working on it. Havok 00:17, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I read that Smash bros was to be a launch title and to be included with the system as a package, a system/game combo at launch hasnt been done since the 16bit era unless im forgetting something. If anyone can find the actual information to confirm this almost-rumor to infact be a rumor, i use gamespot and gamedevelopers magazine for my information, nintendo is keeping even people in the industry in the shadows (which is :P). 12:57, 26 Jun 2005

I think the Smash Bros. combo was a GameCube thing for later this August. -Kevin

It could be, i may be wrong completely, i dont have access outside this site and a few medical sites to verify it so someone find a source and confirm it.

http://cube.ign.com/articles/632/632133p1.html - Kevin

Spelling

I can easily see an edit war comming with a debate about something as trivial as how color/colour should be spelled. For the sake of simplicity, I suggest we stick with "color". Also, color is the spelling of the article of the same name. Colour is a redirect... so for the sake of keeping everyone sane, lets stick with the one type of spelling to be consistent. --Ritz 18:32, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Well, Misplaced Pages rules are that it should be consistent in within every article, but that there is no preferred method, and that exxisting articles hsould not be changed. -Juan Ponderas

I didn't see a typo section so here it is:

in section "Virtual Console" the 3rd paragraph has the following sentence:

...talks with these deveopers for this purpose.

I think it should be developers

Downloaded games onto SD cards

I'm pretty sure that it was said at the E3 keynote that you would be able to move games you download onto SD cards (hence the DRM). Therefore the remarks in the article about a lack of memory for certain games, such as those about possible downloads of Sega games, aren't correct. Because, with SD cards, a lack of space won't be a problem, assuming you have enough money to buy more SD cards. - Jalexster

It would be remarkably expensive for the consumer if they needed to use a 800+ meg SD card to download a single game. As well as the fact that it would eat up insane amounts of bandwidth if downloads were attempted. Its just not cost effective. --Ritz 19:05, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

Isn't there a built-in cache of flash memory—512MB if I heard correctly—and the SD cards are used as an expansion of that memory? -- VederJuda 12:45, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

Games and Stuff

Basically, I'm saying to add Animal Crossing, Donkey Kong and Pilotwings, all of which have been confirmed. -- A Link to the Past 10:30, July 14, 2005 (UTC)

Could you throw me a source that has a statement/pressrelease from Nintendo stating this fact? Havok 12:17, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

Nah man, too damn tired. But seriously, for one, AC WAS announced at the same time as Mario, from a guy named EAD Ninja. He may be a Gaming-Age forum member, but he has connections; he knew about Donkey Konga, Pikmin 2 and Fire Emblem long before anyone official knew anything about it. As for Donkey Kong, I can't remember, but I think I saw it announced in EGM. It may be on IGN as well. And as for Pilotwings, that news article is probably years old; Pilotwings 3, as I recall, other than Super Mario 128 being rumored to be on the NR, is the first game announced for the system. If you don't want to put any of these games on the list, then put it under rumors. -- A Link to the Past 16:40, July 14, 2005 (UTC)

Well, I recall hearing about Animal Crossing and Donky Kong somewhere, so I'll personaly leave it alone. But its best not to add content as confirmed if you are unable to find or refrence evidence. Regardless if its lack of sleep or whatever. --Ritz 19:08, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

I'm sorry to say, this is not a website for rumors and speculation. Fact only please. So don't put anything as confirmed before Nintendo says it is confirmed. And nothing is confirmed before a release date has been given. Havok 21:51, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

That's not really your decision to make. Are you saying that Iwata saying "I'm gonna be able to play Super Smash Bros. with Reggie from halfway across the world" =/= a confirmation? I'll go with, oh, say...

• GameRankings - Lists most of the games
• GameFAQs - Confirms Smash Bros. Revolution, Metroid Prime 3 and Final Fantasy CC Revolution
• IGN - Says that FAMITSU WEEKLY confirmed Donkey Kong, lists a Donkey Kong Revolution page, Metroid Prime 3 page, Mario Revolution page, Zelda Revolution page, and an Animal Crossing page (with an article where the CREATOR of Animal Crossing CONFIRMED that it was coming)
• GameSpot - Lists most of the games

Now, where's your argument?

PS: Sorry for the aggression. But PLEASE, do some research before you decide to be bold like this. -- A Link to the Past 22:02, July 14, 2005 (UTC)

Iwata-San said he would like to see Super Smash Bros. as a launch title. All he said at E3 was that they are working on the games (Metroid Prime 3, Zelda, Mario etc.), Nothing concret. You should really learn to read the discussions posted on this page before you start attacking me. We've actually been trough this discussion about a month ago. And we - the people who edit this page - found "Confirmed titles" to be a stretched. And having something written as "Zelda Revolution" or "Mario Revolution" is extremly silly. It would be better to mark these titles under "Rumors", seeing as this is all they are for the time being. Of course Nintendo will make a Mario game for the Revolution, but it has yet to be officially confirmed. Havok 01:07, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

Let's look at some of the facts.

• June 6, 2005 - The latest issue of Famitsu Magazine reports that Nintendo is in development with a Revolution-bound sequel to the Donkey Kong franchise. The publication offers no details on the next-generation title. Donkey Kong confirmed.

• IGNcube: You are a producer on Metroid Prime 3 for Revolution. Can you tell us about the game?

Shigeru Miyamoto: I've been working on the Metroid series with Mr. Tanabe. He's pretty much in charge of where that's going right now. I've been really trying to focus more on the Zelda, Mario and new DS titles, and I'm not really in a position to talk about them right now. Metroid Prime 3 confirmed.

• Fans of Super Smash Bros. Melee are in for a doubly sweet treat. Iwata said that Nintendo is hard at work on a Super Smash Bros. sequel that will debut for the launch of Revolution. The system is scheduled to ship in mid-2006, according to reports. Better yet, this new Revolution Smash Bros. will take advantage of the console's Wi-Fi capabilities for online play out of the box. Super Smash Bros. confirmed.

• May 19, 2005 - Nintendo is planning to take its popular life simulator franchise, Animal Crossing, to its next-generation console. In an interview with IGN today, Animal Crossing DS's producer hinted that a future Revolution version is a possibility. He later confirmed the news. Animal Crossing confirmed.

• May 18, 2005 - Square Enix Co., Ltd. (Tokyo, Japan, "Square Enix") a leading developer and publisher of interactive entertainment software including two of the world's most popular franchises FINAL FANTASY(R) and DRAGON QUEST(TM), today announced plans for the FINAL FANTASY Crystal Chronicles series to be developed for the Revolution, Nintendo's next-generation console currently in development. Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles confirmed.

• May 17, 2005 - Nintendo president Satoru Iwata on Tuesday morning confirmed news that is sure to make fans of the company everywhere say, "Duh!" Taking the stage at the company's pre-E3 2005 show in Los Angeles, Iwata waxed on about Nintendo's forthcoming Revolution console, and vaguely revealed a few key titles in development for the system.

Iwata said that Nintendo bring next-generation iterations of its lucrative Mario and Zelda franchises to Revolution. "Big franchises will of course be there ," Iwata said, adding, "including new versions of Mario and Zelda." Zelda and Mario confirmed.

We have adequate sources to show that all of these games are in development, but not because of common sense; because it's been said. -- A Link to the Past 01:42, July 15, 2005 (UTC)

Personally, I feel it's far too early to say any of the above are confirmed regardless of what other media sources are saying and even regardless of comments by Nintendo personnel. Until I see a press release, footage, or screenshots I'd rather put the entire section under rumors and speculation. Otherwise you're just reaching. Any of the above could be cancelled and none of the above are absolutely 100% concrete. K1Bond007 01:36, July 15, 2005 (UTC)

http://www.ga-forum.com/showthread.php?t=48799 There's another link, from a refutable source (EAD Ninja - I can give you a guarantee that this guy has connections; IGN confirmed Fire Emblem a year and a half after this guy). Anyhow, just because they have the possibility of being cancelled or haven't showed us what it looks like doesn't mean they didn't confirm the games. Any unreleased game has the possibility of being cancelled, so that argument doesn't really hold weight. We consider a game confirmed when its development is confirmed. We either listen to the heavyweights in the gaming media all of the time or none of the time. -- A Link to the Past 01:42, July 15, 2005 (UTC)

I really doubt that "EAD Ninja" has the authority to "announce" anything on behalf of Nintendo. So as K1Bond007 said it's rumors, it's speculation. Havok 01:48, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

Except for Fire Emblem, of course...

Jeuxfrance also confirms that list, and they got the information from ngcfrance.

And what you're telling me is that basically, when the creator of a series tells a prolific video game source that the game is in development for a specific console, it's not true? -- A Link to the Past 01:50, July 15, 2005 (UTC)

Nothing is official when it comes to games before the company as a whole make a statement about it. And I'm not talking about "We are going to make this game", but something we all call a press release. Also, keep in mind that this is not a news website. This article is about stating fact, not doing journalisme. If that's something you want to do, please use Wikinews.org. We are not trying to be assholes, but we want the article to be as correct as possible. Havok 01:57, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

But they haven't been confirmed. Nintendo hasn't officially announced anything. They haven't even technically announced the final system, it's name, or the controller. They are the source we should be concerned about, not IGN or GameSpot or even a forum with someone supposedly in the know. In the end they all may be right, but until Nintendo says otherwise, it is -not- confirmed. Keep the section, back up the information there by all means - I don't have a problem with that, just leave it under rumors and speculation until concrete information on these games are released. K1Bond007 02:00, July 15, 2005 (UTC)

To support or establish the certainty or validity of; verify. Official definition of confirm. They said that it will come. I don't list every popular game they made, because it was nothing specific. But they specifically stated that Mario and Zelda WERE COMING. Metroid Prime 3 IS IN DEVELOPMENT, IGN said it was and so did Miyamoto. I don't know about you, but the act of confirming should involve nothing more than saying that it's confirmed.

And yes, it confirmed. It's not speculation when the game has been confirmed by its creator. And much of them have been. So you're either assuming IGN is lying, or the creator is lying. Neither have a reason to lie. -- A Link to the Past 02:06, July 15, 2005 (UTC)

Are you even reading what we are telling you? We have never said that the games are not in development, because Nintendo would be stupid not to give out Zelda or Mario for the Revolution. But As K1Bond and myself have both stated, Nintendo has not said anything official. Until Nintendo says it's coming it's a rumor. If you can keep the games under "Rumors and speculation" it's all good. Havok 02:14, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

Okay, fine, here's confirmation.

Now, will you leave the section alone? You have three options: Leave it alone, claim that Iwata, AC's creator, Miyamoto, Square Enix are lying, or that IGN is lying. -- A Link to the Past 02:18, July 15, 2005 (UTC)

I stil don't think you get what I'm saying dude. I have never said that these games are not in development, or that they will never come out, or that anyone is lying. I'm saying that it's not "confirmed", Ex. the mario game which was titled "Mario 128" has reportedly by Miyamoto-San been "moved to the Revolution gaming console". So which Mario are you refeering to when you say "Untitled Mario game". This is the reason I don't like seeing anything in this article as confirmed before we have hard evidence that it's confirmed 100%. So again, I'm not calling anyone a lier. Just keep to facts. Thank you Havok 02:24, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

Ugh -- Please read this. Where the section is at now is fine, but I would like to see the ones specifically under "Games" cited by a reputable source - FROM SOMEONE THAT WORKS FOR NINTENDO, not some stupid unnamed "insider" or IGN or whatever - otherwise move them to rumored games. Those should also be cited so that the section doesn't get out of control with bogus rumors and speculation. This should be a fair compromise. I really don't see how anyone can be against this. This is an encyclopedia afterall and these should be cited by a reputable source, regardless. K1Bond007 02:26, July 15, 2005 (UTC)

...What? You basically just implied that the only reputable source are the developers themselves. They cite the word of the developers, and they have no reason to lie. Now leave it alone; there's no reason to believe that IGN is making this up. Havok, you'll believe them on FFCC, MP3 and AC, but not SSBR, Mario, Zelda or DK, which all cite the developers themselves confirming it? -- A Link to the Past 02:37, July 15, 2005 (UTC)

How's this: games that have been confirmed to be in development are in the top column. They all have sources stating that they are being developed - but they're still tentative, and it's possible that they may change significantly before release. Pure rumors are in the bottom column. Andre (talk) 02:38, July 15, 2005 (UTC)

Much more reasonable than saying it's not confirmed. Although, I'm on the fence with WarioWare and Golden Sun, because the two are confirmed by NGCFrance, and while they're not as notable as IGN, they are somewhat notable. While I'm not saying to list them as confirmed, I'm saying that they're not really pure rumors. -- A Link to the Past 02:46, July 15, 2005 (UTC)

That was a lot of fun to watch <_<. Yay for edit wars? Anyway, I think the final outcome - pre personal edits are ok. I made some changes to make the article a little more formal, added a game now under development for Revolution by Blitz Games and made it its own section. I think the overall comprise is fair. Of course, feel free to edit or improve the changes I have made as well. --Ritz 03:41, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

I really wish that you wouldn't delete games from the list without bringing it up. You could well assume that it would be responded to on the Talk page with a source. -- A Link to the Past 09:10, July 19, 2005 (UTC)

When you add a game, add a source as well. If not, the game will be moved to rumors. Again we thrive on fact, not speculation (other then in the rumor section). Havok 09:40, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

I know im 15 days late to this discussion but here goes. Link, you have a very good arguement and i understand some of the games that you say are confirmed since more than likely they are. sadly however when u posted this -Shigeru Miyamoto: I've been working on the Metroid series with Mr. Tanabe. He's pretty much in charge of where that's going right now. I've been really trying to focus more on the Zelda, Mario and new DS titles, and I'm not really in a position to talk about them right now. Metroid Prime 3 confirmed.- This was not in any manner a comfirmation in any way shape or form. To be honest the gentleman could have been talking about a metroid game for any of the 4 consoles nintendo is working on right now so narrowing it down to MP3 when neither MP3 nor Revolution was mentioned is a bit of a stretch. That said i do believe that Crystal Chronicles was announced by SE themselves, which should definately be confirmation enough regardless of what people say, i would add that magazines and media outlets are generally wrong a lot and in that repect i would agree with k1 and havok since they have a good point. Media outlet confirmations are still fancified rumors no matter how much u want them to be true, however when a developer announces you cant really argue with them unless something smells fishy. my 2 cents, 2 weeks late. -Tik

There is a video of Metroid Prime 3 on the Revolution, specifically called Metroid Prime 3. -- A Link to the Past 21:52, July 30, 2005 (UTC)

Wasn't that video shown to be running on GameCube hardware, not Revolution hardware? --VederJuda 00:43, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

Modified GameCube hardware used alongside the Revolution. -- A Link to the Past 00:50, July 31, 2005 (UTC)

But modified cube hardware is not the same as revolution hardware, granted that N stated that the next console would only be i think it was double, the power of cube so they are not shooting for the all powerful consoles like microsoft or sony, but modified gamecube software doesnt yet qualify.EDIT: hey link y dont we just wait till the Spaceworld event that N hosts and then post the announced games instead of debating them here, which would save a LOT of space -Tik

Yes it does. It was intended to show how Metroid Prime 3 may look like. -- A Link to the Past 13:41, July 31, 2005 (UTC)

Hmm, well u could be right, still we dont need to add it just yet since the unveiling will be very soon, rumors of march 2006 release are around but even if not then we should hear something soon, otherwise nintendo will be killing there advertising hype timeframe. Lets post when we get something solid-Tik

We HAVE something solid. It's on the Revolution. -- A Link to the Past 01:27, August 1, 2005 (UTC)

Considering that specifications of the the Revolution hardware have not even been revealed, we can not assume the hardware that video is running on is the same as what Revolution will have inside it's box when its finnaly released on the market. The video basicly shows off that the graphics are at least up to par with Gamecube, as there was some fear from some people that it's capabilities might in fact be inferior to the current generation. --Ritz 21:58, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Edit: I just re-read the discussion. Yes, your right, definatly appears to be for Revolution. But who knows, considering how slow games will be for the Cube this upcoming year, there is a slight chance they could make a third one for the Cube, kinda like a last hurrah type of thing. --Ritz 22:13, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

About the Future tag

Any chance we can get a custom template for those those pages? I agree with the purpose of the tag, but its diction doesnt quite match the context. Anyway we can customise the text to refrence something about "future products" rather than "future events"? --Ritz 17:06, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Perhaps a different template, this is already noted at Template talk:Future. K1Bond007 18:22, July 18, 2005 (UTC)

I created Template:Future product for this. ~ Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 19:20, 2005 July 18 (UTC)

Visual distortion

Can someone explain to me what this means: an innovative interface utilizing an internally developed proprietary visual distortion method to be applied to all of the games compatible with the Nintendo Revolution, including, NES, SNES, N64, GameCube and Revolution titles Andre (talk) 18:47, July 30, 2005 (UTC)

Yes, someone please offer a source for the information. Revert back if you wish when a source has been included, but I am going to modify the paragraph until then. --Ritz 13:30, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

I personally think that we may see some 3D glasses stuff, which could make sense with this distortion talk. If you have ever

seen a movie in 3D designed for 3D glasses, _without_ wearing the glasses, that could count as distortion. Stereoscopic vision.

Again, this is not confirmed info, just a personal hunch. Omega21 06:22, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

While the page is being protected

I noticed an error just a few lines below line 101. It says "During E³ 2008, Nintendo's Chief Marketing Officer Reginald Fils-Aime stated " announced the ability to download and play..." when the year should be 2005. If an admin could make that change back, that would be great! --Ritz 19:42, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks Andrevan :) --Ritz 21:52, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Once this is out of protection mode, I would like to add some rumors from this page. http://www.nintendoparamount.blogspot.com/ Some of them are pretty interesting. Especially if the NURB thing turns out to be true. I would probably just add the NURB stuff, come to think of it. --Omega21

I don't think it'd be wise to put too much stock into that site, my man... Looks more like a bunch of wishful thinking than subtle info leaks. It's just too much. Garrett Albright 16:16, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

Unfortunatly, blogs and other amature journals are really hard to prove legitimate. It is best to wait until the information is confirmed or presented by a more respected or well known site, in my oppinion. --Ritz 21:40, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

I agree, but the NURB thing does tie into a rumor already present on the page about visual distortion. If both claims are legit, it would make sense. Im just saying maybe a few words could be added. --Omega21

On that note, what exactly is NURB? --Ritz 04:54, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ suggested NURBS, which seems probable, and I was almost ready to wikify, however, accourding to the rumor, Nintendo is developing the technology. Accourding to that article, that technology has been around forever. So... Omega21 or anyone else have any ideas? --Ritz 15:41, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

It's gotta be NURBS. If it were something truly new, I doubt Nintendo would have given it such a similar name. Anyway, giving the mysterious blogger the benefit of the doubt, he did say he was not a native English speaker, so dropping the S (and saying Nintendo is "developing" it) may just be something that was lost in his mental translation. (I still think the blogger's a phony, though.) Garrett Albright 16:55, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Yes, probably a phony, but the idea is possible. If it is true, perhaps they meant Nintendo is heavily supporting the development. Perhaps someone could tweak the article? --Omega21 07:05, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

I'd like to add the following press releases from nintendo.com:

• Template:Nintendo.com news
• Template:Nintendo.com news

Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 06:53, 2005 August 30 (UTC)

DVD Attachment

The part enabling DVD playback has been stressed by Iwata that it is an internal attachment, not a dongle as stated in the article. Should this be changed or is the definition of dongle more loose than I am treating it?