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| ::::Are you saying that Serbs in 1985 invented that the genocide of Serbs by the Ustashas in WWII was...genocide? --] 23:20, 7 November 2007 (UTC) | ::::Are you saying that Serbs in 1985 invented that the genocide of Serbs by the Ustashas in WWII was...genocide? --] 23:20, 7 November 2007 (UTC) | ||
| :StAnselm, if you think that killing a million of people is genocide, feel free to add that to the article. But there apparently are some people who claim that they don't think so. ] 10:01, 8 November 2007 (UTC) | :StAnselm, if you think that killing a million of people is genocide, feel free to add that to the article. But there apparently are some people who claim that they don't think so. ] 10:01, 8 November 2007 (UTC) | ||
| :::Adding and removing "genocide" from the title are NOT minor changes. I would suggest that the edit-warring on this subject be suspended while consensus is sought. In my view "genocide" is justified. The article itself has referred to "genocidal persecution" (with sources) since 15 November 2007 last year - a few days after StAnselm raised the question at the top of this discussion. Under the internationally accepted definitions, genocide covers more than wholesale slaughter. It includes ''intending'' and ''attempting'' to eliminate entire racial, ethnic groups etc, by whatever means. I would argue that it is impossible to have genocide without persecution - the latter is an inevitable element of the former - therefore I would suggest that "genocide" should replace "persecution" in the heading. So the article would be called "World War II genocide of Serbs." It is nonsense to say the Ustaša onslaught has been recognised as genocide only since 1985. But even if that were true, it is not relevant. An encyclopaedia should call it what it was, regardless of whatever terminology may have been applied in the past.] (]) 12:53, 23 August 2008 (UTC) | |||
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Genocide?
World War II persecution and genocide of Serbs redirects here, but nothing is mentioned in the article about genocide. Should it be? StAnselm 22:52, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
- Article is bad but if I have wanted to delete this Serbs user will start to scream that I am Croatian fascist or something similar. Between 1941 and 1945 Serbs has been persecuted on territory of Independent State of Croatia. All in all from 1,847,000 Serbs between 320,000 and 500,000 has been killed (different international sources are giving different numbers). Other 180,000 has been send to Serbia (you can read all that in article ISC). Modern Serbian history (after 1985) is calling this event genocide. All in all Serbs has been persecuted only by Independent State of Croatia so that greatest part of this article is .... With hope that you have all needed facts bye--Rjecina 15:55, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
- What do you mean by modern Serbian history after 1985 is calling this genocide, there is no quarrel that this was genocide? --PaxEquilibrium 18:35, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
- That before 1985 this has not been in serbian historical book genocide. All interested can read this small PDF book writen in CanadaGlobalizing the Holocaust --Rjecina 18:47, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
- Are you saying that Serbs in 1985 invented that the genocide of Serbs by the Ustashas in WWII was...genocide? --PaxEquilibrium 23:20, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
- That before 1985 this has not been in serbian historical book genocide. All interested can read this small PDF book writen in CanadaGlobalizing the Holocaust --Rjecina 18:47, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
- What do you mean by modern Serbian history after 1985 is calling this genocide, there is no quarrel that this was genocide? --PaxEquilibrium 18:35, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
- StAnselm, if you think that killing a million of people is genocide, feel free to add that to the article. But there apparently are some people who claim that they don't think so. Nikola 10:01, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Kosovo
I'm shocked to read about the Serbian propaganda on Misplaced Pages. In order for an argument to be valid, it should reference many sources, and not only ONE sources, such as kosovo.net, which is a Serbian nationalist, anti-Albanian website! —Preceding unsigned comment added by ArberBorici (talk • contribs) 09:50, 19 February 2008 (UTC)