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Polish POWS

What happened to the Polish POWs in the Soviet Union? Xx236 12:46, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

See if you can get a hold of Karpus book Jeńcy polscy w niewoli (1919-1922) to answer that question...-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  18:34, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Note: I have access to that book. Some notes: Polish casualties from Nov 1918 - Dec 1920: KIA, 47571; WIA, 113518; MIA 51351 based on Sikorkski's 'Nad Wisla i Wkra' (p. VII). By the time of Riga treaty number of Polish POWs in SU was unknown. 25440 soldiers returned form Russia, about 3000 from Lithuania and 2000 from Germany. About 20000 (39%) of missing probably died as POWs; most of them in SU (p.VIII). He provides no further interpretation of that data, most of his book is composed of documents and translations. They concern both Soviet and Lithuanian POW camps and are full of expected descriptions of forced labor, poverty, dieseas, hunger, robbery (including of clothes in winter), and occasional reports of murder. He also clearly states that Russian claims that many Soviet soldiers died as Polish POW is political propaganda designed as anti-Katyn and based on false data.-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  20:39, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

WERS

See pages 241-245 (Polish edition); should be similar in English.-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  13:01, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Removal of refs

Please explain the removal of this info, in detail, here. Thank you, --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 18:50, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I had twice asked you to explain you reason for inclusion of that material since the first part is not backed up by sources, and the second, concerns the Polish-Ukrainian conflict of 1918, has nothing to do with the Polish Soviet War opf 1919-1920. The wording as it currently is corresponds to the sources, although it's not terribly insightful information, just simply more of the fringe Piotrowksi-Lukas view that Jews are to blame for their own murders. Boodlesthecat 19:05, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

If we discuss M report, which is concerned with events in both conflicts, it's hard to cherry pick only parts of it. M himself notes that the situations were similar: "In the three last cities the anti-Semitic prejudice of the soldiers have been inflamed by the charge that the Jews were Bolsheviki while at Lemberg it was associated with the idea that the Jews were making common cause with the Ukrainians. These excesses were, therefore, political as well as anti-Semitic in character." The sources do note that actions of a (minority?) or Jews who were hostile to Polish militia/forces were one of the causes of anti-Jewish pogroms.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 19:21, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

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