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	*'''Delete''' – I've now spent some time searching, and have found no evidence that the whole series is edited by the Harvard University astronomer Owen Gingerich, or that the series is in any way notable. Gingerich is listed in the ''Media Review'' reference as "General Editor", but OUP don't note any editors for the other books in their web pages I've looked at. OUP produces an immense number of series, just follow the links in the sidebar to the left of . Remember ] of non-notable lists of series of books by publishers. What's still needed is a reliable third party source asserting that this is notable as a series, and my research found nothing. ], ] 12:10, 29 October 2008 (UTC) clarified/grmr 17:15, 29 October 2008 (UTC)		*'''Delete''' – I've now spent some time searching, and have found no evidence that the whole series is edited by the Harvard University astronomer Owen Gingerich, or that the series is in any way notable. Gingerich is listed in the ''Media Review'' reference as "General Editor", but OUP don't note any editors for the other books in their web pages I've looked at. OUP produces an immense number of series, just follow the links in the sidebar to the left of . Remember ] of non-notable lists of series of books by publishers. What's still needed is a reliable third party source asserting that this is notable as a series, and my research found nothing. ], ] 12:10, 29 October 2008 (UTC) clarified/grmr 17:15, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
	*'''Keep''' a reasonably significant series. That the series is meant for kids should not be an issue. --] <small>(])</small> 18:52, 30 October 2008 (UTC)		*'''Keep''' a reasonably significant series. That the series is meant for kids should not be an issue. --] <small>(])</small> 18:52, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
			*:'''Comment on notability''' The series has been well reviewed in important journals: including, but not limited to, ], ], IEEE Annals of the History of Computing, and many others. The exact phrase has about 18,000 google hits and every library seems to carry the series and many websites recommend it. I doubt if the works will be cited elsewhere (!) but it seems notable enough to me. --] <small>(])</small> 21:45, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
	* '''Delete''' As stated above it's just a list, we might as well include listings of every series of books written by every author.] (]) 19:34, 30 October 2008 (UTC)		* '''Delete''' As stated above it's just a list, we might as well include listings of every series of books written by every author.] (]) 19:34, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
	*'''Delete.''' Just because it's by Oxford doesn't mean that ''the series'' is notable--and why should it be? It's a list of short biographies--what's the point of listing them? And it's not even a pretty list, it looks like it came out of the sandbox too soon. A review was mentioned: yes, the article lists a review, and it's a review of the book on Faraday, NOT a review of the series, and that's what the article is about, supposedly. RegentsPark, DGG, and others, with all due respect, the burden is to prove that the series is notable, and I have not seen any of the proponents of this article provide a solid reason to believe that. ] (]) 20:14, 30 October 2008 (UTC)		*'''Delete.''' Just because it's by Oxford doesn't mean that ''the series'' is notable--and why should it be? It's a list of short biographies--what's the point of listing them? And it's not even a pretty list, it looks like it came out of the sandbox too soon. A review was mentioned: yes, the article lists a review, and it's a review of the book on Faraday, NOT a review of the series, and that's what the article is about, supposedly. RegentsPark, DGG, and others, with all due respect, the burden is to prove that the series is notable, and I have not seen any of the proponents of this article provide a solid reason to believe that. ] (]) 20:14, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

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Oxford Portraits in Science

OrangeMarlin 20:38, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Comment I forgot to put in a comment in the template, so here goes. This is merely a list of books. This fails WP:NOTE. OrangeMarlin 20:39, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
Delete No context. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • 20:44, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
Keep and expand per below. Admittedly I know bupkis about this subject. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • 21:21, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
Keep Besides being WP:Trolled by Orange Marlin, this list is obviously notable (check the two external links and do a check on google scholar and google books) and should not have been put to AFD per WP:BITE. Also Orange Marlin did obviously didn't check WP:BEFORE in addition to all this other nonsense. --Firefly322 (talk) 20:57, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

How was this trolling? Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • 21:21, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Keep. Clearly not just a list of books. They're all part of the same series, and if the name Oxford is attached, chances are it is notable. Should warrant further investigation. (If kept this should go in a table format). Also the lack of context isn't hard to fix, a cursory Google search makes it easy for any editor to provide context. - Mgm| 21:03, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
- Comment – sofixit. What makes this series of books notable? We don't devote an article to every series a publisher puts out, even the OUP. The article has to demonstrate why this particular series is notable, using reliable third party sources. And having looked at the two links, they barely mention the series, and do nothing to establish notability. . dave souza, talk 21:20, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
Delete its just a list. Oxford does not make it notable, we'll end up with pages for every publishes series at this rate. --Snowded TALK 23:18, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
Delete (edit conflict) No claims of notability. The 2 external links are for a book review of one of the books, not the series. The other, again, is a reference to one of the books. But in this context, even if it were about the series, it would not be notable. Doing a Google search trying will obviously give many false positives, and is not a reliable method of establishing notability in this case. - Atmoz (talk) 23:24, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
Delete unless RS is found establishing notability of this series per WP:NOTE. If individual books or authors are notable, they should have their own entries - the series should onlt have an article if a significant number of the books are notable or it itself is notable per WP:NOTE. Oxford and author notabilities are separate. Verbal chat 23:26, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
Weak keep Several individual books seem to have been reviewed in School Library Journal and Booklist. Better than nothing. Zagalejo^^^ 23:28, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
Delete The editor is notable, but how is a book series written by others for kid? notable in itself? Are the individual books notable? ... don't think so. Vsmith (talk) 23:31, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
Keep as per Mgm, Zagelojo. Edward321 (talk) 23:46, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
Keep as a significant series. DGG (talk) 00:09, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
Delete - per WP:NN. List is not notable; each book in themselves are not notable, notability hasn't been established in third party sources. Shot info (talk) 06:09, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
Delete – I've now spent some time searching, and have found no evidence that the whole series is edited by the Harvard University astronomer Owen Gingerich, or that the series is in any way notable. Gingerich is listed in the Media Review reference as "General Editor", but OUP don't note any editors for the other books in their web pages I've looked at. OUP produces an immense number of series, just follow the links in the sidebar to the left of this list. Remember Misplaced Pages is not a directory of non-notable lists of series of books by publishers. What's still needed is a reliable third party source asserting that this is notable as a series, and my research found nothing. dave souza, talk 12:10, 29 October 2008 (UTC) clarified/grmr 17:15, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
Keep a reasonably significant series. That the series is meant for kids should not be an issue. --Regents Park (sink with my stocks) 18:52, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Comment on notability The series has been well reviewed in important journals: including, but not limited to, Isis (journal), The Quarterly Review of Biology, IEEE Annals of the History of Computing, and many others. The exact phrase has about 18,000 google hits and every library seems to carry the series and many websites recommend it. I doubt if the works will be cited elsewhere (!) but it seems notable enough to me. --Regents Park (sink with my stocks) 21:45, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Delete As stated above it's just a list, we might as well include listings of every series of books written by every author.Paste (talk) 19:34, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Delete. Just because it's by Oxford doesn't mean that the series is notable--and why should it be? It's a list of short biographies--what's the point of listing them? And it's not even a pretty list, it looks like it came out of the sandbox too soon. A review was mentioned: yes, the article lists a review, and it's a review of the book on Faraday, NOT a review of the series, and that's what the article is about, supposedly. RegentsPark, DGG, and others, with all due respect, the burden is to prove that the series is notable, and I have not seen any of the proponents of this article provide a solid reason to believe that. Drmies (talk) 20:14, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

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