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February 2008
Move Notable sufferers from Chronic fatigue syndrome to Notable sufferers from Chronic fatigue syndrome per talk. Ward20 (talk) 05:37, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
Notable patients and alleged patients
from list of articles linking directly or indirectly to ME/CFS. All of these articles claim that these people have come down with it at some point and I have uncritically included them here, with no regard for sourcing or credibility (some of these people have had sufficiently impressive recoveries that I find it far more credible to believe they actually had something else and were misdiagnosed). -- Strangelv (talk) 16:04, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
- Tom Clarke (politician) ()
- Troy Wilson ()
- Stevie Nicks ()
- Stuart Murdoch (musician) ()
- Susan Harris ()
- Paul Tomkins ()
- Pema Chödrön ()
- Rachel Jordan ()
- Rhyce Shaw ()
- Shelley Taylor-Smith ()
- Naomi Weisstein ()
- Neil Codling ()
- Olaf Bodden ()
- Michael Mayne ()
- Michelle Akers ()
- Maren Jensen ()
- Martin Lev (patient and activist)
- Martin Phillips ()
- Matthew Nicholson ()
- James McDonald (footballer) ()
- Joanna Russ ()
- Johanna Griggs ()
- John Fahey (musician) ()
- Keith Jarrett ()
- Luke Ford ()
- Florence Nightingale ()
- Frank Carrone ()
- Henry Percy, 11th Duke of Northumberland ()
- Ian Freeman ()
- David Puttnam ()
- Derek Graham ()
- Alastair Lynch ()
- Ali Smith ()
- Amos Mansdorf ()
- Andy Hunt (footballer) ()
- Anita Nall ()
- Ann Bannon ()
- Baker Knight ()
- Billy Garton ()
- Bobby Lounge ()
- Brooks Mileson ()
- Clare Francis ()
I've sourced a few of these. Florence Nightingale is the most debatable one, as while the ME/CFS community claims her, all the sources I've found seem to say 'believed to have had' or 'possibly had'.--MartinUK (talk) 14:51, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
- Well, that is how the article describes the list. Obviously, in her days, the diagnosis of CFS hadn't been invented yet, and ME and other clinical diagnoses also had yet to be defined. Guido den Broeder (talk, visit) 11:17, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
Retrospective diagnoses
Since CFS is a relatively recent diagnosis, it really can only be made from the 80's onwards; anything before that point I would suggest putting in a "retrospective diagnoses" section, with a lead of "It has been suggested that the following historical people suffered from CFS." The sourcing should be to the usual WP:RS. Per the discussion at Misplaced Pages:RSN#Nightingale Research Foundation, Florence Nightingale is not an automatic inclusion and should be discussed before being added. WLU (t) (c) 14:38, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
- It should be carefully worded, but in view of the fact that the ME awareness day is her birthday, she can't really be missed IMHO. Fram found an excellent source for our purposes, I think. Guido den Broeder (talk, visit) 16:01, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
- By one province in Canada, by the provincial government, which is subject to advocacy from non-professionals. CFS is a medical problem, and retrospective diagnoses should come from some source that has medical respectability. McDonald's citation is to the Nightingale Research Foundation (I was in error, it wasn't published by Keen), which has been established as an unreliable source for the claim. McDonald's actual statement is "More recently there has been speculation that Nightingale suffered from "chronic fatigue syndrome" or myalgic encephalomyelitis", with a footnote leading to the heartily unconvincing citation of "A Canadian ME/CFS institute is named the Nightingale Research Foundation". This is not an endorsement by McDonald of the hypothesis, and the NRF itself has been established as insufficiently reliable in this RSN discussion. Pending further sources, Nightingale should not be appended to the list. As stated by Paul B, this would require an expert on Nightingale suggesting the diagnosis, not an advocacy group. WLU (t) (c) 17:15, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
- The government doesn't agree with you, so you conclude that they were tricked by patient advocates. Great going there, WLU. Guido den Broeder (talk, visit) 18:22, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
- By one province in Canada, by the provincial government, which is subject to advocacy from non-professionals. CFS is a medical problem, and retrospective diagnoses should come from some source that has medical respectability. McDonald's citation is to the Nightingale Research Foundation (I was in error, it wasn't published by Keen), which has been established as an unreliable source for the claim. McDonald's actual statement is "More recently there has been speculation that Nightingale suffered from "chronic fatigue syndrome" or myalgic encephalomyelitis", with a footnote leading to the heartily unconvincing citation of "A Canadian ME/CFS institute is named the Nightingale Research Foundation". This is not an endorsement by McDonald of the hypothesis, and the NRF itself has been established as insufficiently reliable in this RSN discussion. Pending further sources, Nightingale should not be appended to the list. As stated by Paul B, this would require an expert on Nightingale suggesting the diagnosis, not an advocacy group. WLU (t) (c) 17:15, 27 November 2008 (UTC)