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Fowler&fowler's record of page name changes

1. The page was created, as Mysore Kingdom literature, by user:Dineshkannambadi, with this edit of 23 August 2007.
   1. In the page Kingdom of Mysore, then being prepared for an FA-run, a literature section was added with this edit of 23:53 16 September 2007 (edit summary, "literature"), with "hat note" at the top linking to Mysore Kingdom literature.
   2. During the period mid-September 2007 to mid-October 2007, this page was copy edited by, among others, User:Damanmundine1 and User:Writtenright; see history.
2. In this edit of 12:54 13 October 2007, with edit summary, "moved Mysore Kingdom literature to Literature of the Kingdom of Mysore: consistency with other Kingdom of Mysore sub-articles," one of the copy-editors, user:Damanmundine1 changed the name of the article to Literature of the Kingdom of Mysore.
3. In this edit of 20:30 13 November 2008, with edit summary, "moved Literature of the Kingdom of Mysore to Kannada literature in the Kingdom of Mysore: All the writings described were written in Kannada language," user:Dineshkannambadi changed the name of the page to Kannada literature in the Kingdom of Mysore.
   1. The Kingdom of Mysore article became a Featured Article Review candidate on 5 December 2008.
   2. The opening statement of the FAR, says in My concerns#5, "(Violation FA criteria 1(c) The article makes errors of what could be called chronological-spatial correspondence. It includes under the cultural achievements of the "Kingdom of Mysore," the achievements made in regions that were not contemporaneously part of the Mysore kingdom, but that came to be included only later in time, and sometimes only briefly then.... discussed at greater length in the daughter article Kannada literature in the Kingdom of Mysore. That daughter article has many more errors of this sort: indeed its sub-section, Contemporary developments suggests that the primary author is not unaware of this problem."
4. In this edit of 16 December 2008, with edit summary, "moved Kannada literature in the Kingdom of Mysore to Kannada literature, 1600–1900 CE: Covers poets and writers over the entire Kannada speaking region," user:Dineshkannambadi changed the page name to Kannada literature, 1600–1900 CE, without any prior or concurrent discussion on this talk page or in the FAR.

Fowler&fowler«Talk» 00:26, 17 December 2008 (UTC) Last Updated. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 21:15, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

The page Kannada literature in the Kingdom of Mysore included the literature of the "Kingdom of Mysore" until the year 1947 (when the Princely State of Mysore acceded to the Union of India); in other words, the page included the literature of the period 1900–1947. By changing the page name to Kannada literature, 1600–1900 CE the primary author, user:Dineshkannambadi, is not only changing—without any prior discussion on this talk page—the geographical range of the literature, but also the chronological range. Readers of this page, which is the mother page of the Literature sub-section of the History FA Kingdom of Mysore, will ask:

• What about the literature of the period 1900–1947 in the "Kingdom of Mysore"?

Here is a brief outline of the coverage of Kannada literature of the period 1900–1947 on this page

1. On 31 August 2007, a week after its creation, this page, then Mysore Kingdom literature, had a section 19th/20th century Kannada literature
2. At the time of the promotion of its "super-article"/mother page, Kingdom of Mysore, to an FA in early November 2007, this page—then Literature of the Kingdom of Mysore—still had a section on 19th/20th century Kannada literature
3. A year later, at 22:46 9 November 2008, this page, still Literature of the Kingdom of Mysore, continued to have the same section 19th/20th century Kannada Literature and included sentences such as, "Modern Kannada literature gained momentum under the patronage of King Krishnaraja Wodeyar IV (1902-1940)."
4. A week later, at 02:31 14 November 2008, the page now renamed, Kannada literature in the Kingdom of Mysore, still had a section 19th/20th century Kannada literature.
5. After this history of including the Kannada literature of the period 1900 to 1947, the page was renamed Kannada literature, 1600–1900 CE in this edit of 00:33 16 December 2008.
   1. A few minutes later, at 00:51 16 December 2008, this page had a new sections, 19th century writings and Developments in early 20th century literature. Whether, the vaguely finessed "Developments in early 20th century," is an artifice for abandoning explicit responsibility for the literature of the period 1900–1947, remains to be seen. ("Early 20th century" usually doesn't include the period up to the middle of the century, and "developments in" is usually different from "description of")
   2. Moreover, the page still continues to be the mother article for the literature section in the page Kingdom of Mysore; the latter "kingdom" was a realm that continued to exist until 1947. All the other culture-related sections of the Kingdom of Mysore page, devote a lot of space to the period 1900–1947; see for example, the Architecture section.

Fowler&fowler«Talk» 22:33, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

1. On 16 September 2007, just before it underwent its first round of copy-edits, this page, i.e. Mysore Kingdom literature had 68 footnotes (counting repeats). Of these, some
   1. 40 footnotes referred to
      1. Pranesh, Meera Rajaram (2003). Musical Composers during Wodeyar Dynasty (1638-1947 A.D.). Bangalore: Vee Emm Publications., which is
         1. a Bangalore University Music Department Dissertation, which was
         2. published locally in Bangalore by a local publisher (i.e. not India-wide), and which has
         3. no ISBN information;
   2. of the remaining footnotes, some 20 referred to
      1. Narasimhacharya, R (1988). History of Kannada Literature. Asian Educational Services. ISBN 81-206-0303-6., which is,
         1. Narasimhacharya's 1934 History of Kannada Literature, whose facsimile reprint was being cited—some 70 years after Narasimhacharya's 1936 death— as Narasimhacharya (1988);
   3. and the remaining 10 odd to
      1. Kamath, Suryanath U. (2001). A concise history of Karnataka : from pre-historic times to the present. Bangalore: Jupiter books. OCLC 7796041. which is
         1. a Karnataka college text book, which is printed in new "editions" every year, (please call publisher)
         2. has with no ISBN information,
         3. written by a former Reader in History, Bangalore University, who has
            1. One publication on the topic "Mysore," in Google Scholar, out of a total of 7,490 scholarly publications in the Social Sciences and Humanities published between 1970 and 2008, who was
            2. also the Chairman of the Editorial Committee of middle- and high-school text-books introduced in his home state of Karnataka in the late-1990s. The text-books garnered a review titled, Mis-oriented textbooks, in the magazine Frontline. Later, India's BJP-led government implemented some of the ideas in Karnataka's pioneering textbooks at an all-India level. Those textbooks in turn received international press coverage, for example, in the review, titled, Hijacking India's History, in the New York Times, who was
            3. also featured in a newspaper article titled, "Aryan race did not exist, says Suryanath Kamath", which has been featured again on such websites as Hindutva Vivek Kendra (for meaning of "Hindutva" see Hindutva). Dr. Kamath's ideas have also been featured on Misplaced Pages, for example, on the page Indigenous Aryans, and who has
            4. espoused Hindu nationalism in his closing remarks in an interview on private history website Kamat.com, "The volunteers of organizations such as RSS need to rise to occasion to influence young minds into greater values of life."
2. Will add more text here. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 20:47, 17 December 2008 (UTC) Last updated Fowler&fowler«Talk» 22:56, 17 December 2008 (UTC)