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| :So how does that page constitute deleting this page? -]] 02:36, 27 January 2009 (UTC) | :So how does that page constitute deleting this page? -]] 02:36, 27 January 2009 (UTC) | ||
| :If you want to delete this page, you also need to delete this page: ], otherwise you have a biased arguement, favoring one side over another. -]] 02:38, 27 January 2009 (UTC) | :If you want to delete this page, you also need to delete this page: ], otherwise you have a biased arguement, favoring one side over another. -]] 02:38, 27 January 2009 (UTC) | ||
| :: Nominate it for deletion as well, then. <b>]</b> 07:20, 27 January 2009 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Keep''' reflects position as stated by President Obama. Neutrally worded, and I opposed the deletion before (which was, IMHO, quite improperly handled). ] (]) 02:57, 27 January 2009 (UTC) | *'''Keep''' reflects position as stated by President Obama. Neutrally worded, and I opposed the deletion before (which was, IMHO, quite improperly handled). ] (]) 02:57, 27 January 2009 (UTC) | ||
| *'''Delete'''. "This user believes $(something counter to reality)" is a declaration contrary to ], one of our cornerstones. Whether one is in favor of or opposed to gay marriage (and I'm in favor, but I think that's irrelevant here), there exist legally married people not fitting this description. If it were instead "This user believes that marriage ''should'' consist...", as ], that would be one thing, but declaring that it ''does'' consist is just incorrect. An attitude of arguing strongly for an incorrect position is something we should be discouraging here. And it's inflammatory to boot: it insults those people who are married outside the conventions it describes, by claiming they don't exist. —] (]) 03:18, 27 January 2009 (UTC) | *'''Delete'''. "This user believes $(something counter to reality)" is a declaration contrary to ], one of our cornerstones. Whether one is in favor of or opposed to gay marriage (and I'm in favor, but I think that's irrelevant here), there exist legally married people not fitting this description. If it were instead "This user believes that marriage ''should'' consist...", as ], that would be one thing, but declaring that it ''does'' consist is just incorrect. An attitude of arguing strongly for an incorrect position is something we should be discouraging here. And it's inflammatory to boot: it insults those people who are married outside the conventions it describes, by claiming they don't exist. —] (]) 03:18, 27 January 2009 (UTC) | ||
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User:Junglecat/marriage
Previous MfD overturned at Misplaced Pages:Deletion review/Log/2009 January 21#Same sex marriage userboxes (closed). I abstain. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 01:50, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
- So how does that page constitute deleting this page? -PatPeter 02:36, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
- If you want to delete this page, you also need to delete this page: Template:User Same Sex Married, otherwise you have a biased arguement, favoring one side over another. -PatPeter 02:38, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
- Nominate it for deletion as well, then. Black Kite 07:20, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
- Keep reflects position as stated by President Obama. Neutrally worded, and I opposed the deletion before (which was, IMHO, quite improperly handled). Collect (talk) 02:57, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
- Delete. "This user believes $(something counter to reality)" is a declaration contrary to WP:NPOV, one of our cornerstones. Whether one is in favor of or opposed to gay marriage (and I'm in favor, but I think that's irrelevant here), there exist legally married people not fitting this description. If it were instead "This user believes that marriage should consist...", as the other one currently under discussion does, that would be one thing, but declaring that it does consist is just incorrect. An attitude of arguing strongly for an incorrect position is something we should be discouraging here. And it's inflammatory to boot: it insults those people who are married outside the conventions it describes, by claiming they don't exist. —David Eppstein (talk) 03:18, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
- Delete per David Eppstein. Disagreeing with a persons way of life is fine, belittling it is not. Metaphorically putting your hands over your ears and singing a happy song on the subject of gay marriage is effectively the same as saying they do not exist, and belittles the long struggle that went into achieving marriage rights for homosexuals. Ironholds (talk) 04:47, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
- Keep as a neutrally worded political opinion userbox. The fact that one user's beliefs offend another is not actionable, unless we want to go all the way and get rid of all such userboxes equally--a move I would endorse. Calling a political opinion "incorrect" is problematic, as there is no objectively agreed upon standard definiton; saying that hydrogen's atomic mass is greater than carbon's is objectively wrong. The definition of marriage is a different matter entirely--in David Eppstein's reality, the statement is incorrect. To those who choose to display such a userbox, it may be equally correct. Jclemens (talk) 06:05, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
- Default to Delete - Political or social statements on controversial issues do not belong in userboxes. This is pretty much the policy in a nutshell. Once you start allowing soapboxing about controversial issues--even mild, polite soapboxing--the result is an even bigger disruption, the likes of which we saw during the userbox wars. The only issue then is whether or not you support default to delete or default to keep; expressions of opinion in userboxes are not important enough to justify a default to keep. Bullzeye 07:13, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
- Delete - as with 99% of userboxes on politics, religion or sexuality, anything that starts with "This user believes that..." should go. Pointless, irrelevant to editing the encyclopedia (unlike some userboxes), often needlessly divisive, and who cares anyway?? Black Kite 07:19, 27 January 2009 (UTC)