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Coriolanus effect

I believe you wanted to write about the Coriolis effect, which has nothing to do with Coriolanus. If this is a very common misspelling, you might want to change your article Coriolanus effect into a redirect, otherwise it should probably be deleted (or be turned into an article related to some effect connected to Coriolanus). Kusma 17:36, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

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some comments

• And check very carefully why some recent edits have been reverted. Also stub tags go at the bottom of an article not the top! SatuSuro 23:49, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

• Also - when you create an article - it is well worth looking to see if there is any related/similar article already existing - theasurus thinking - think of synonyms - maybe there is an article with related issues already exsiting
• The sandbox is a very good place to do things - half filled articles with headings only attract negative attention - better to have half finished articles in sandbox than in jeaopardy on wiki....

• Talk with someone - isolated article creation and editing can be a trap - find an article about a related subject - find an editor who has done a lot on it - go to their talk - and talk about possible issues... it can help

cheers SatuSuro 23:59, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

attempt at reply (more specific)

Wikpedia is not very good at specific guidelines - as there are some projects that really should be given with a large handbook and a training course in my honest opinion.

• (1) Australian subjects, topics and ventures into things australian - should nominally (but not necessarily) be conditionally broached on the Australian Project noticeboard (ok I know nothing is anywhere to tell you that :) )

• (2) Before putting up a range of articles - you should
  • (a) be rigorous about checking for the existence of other existing articles with close title or subject coverage, specially with synonyms
  • (b) be rigorous about whether adding information to an existing article or editing - it is much better than starting a new article which is only a clutch of headings

• (3) Religiously conscientiously use the sandbox if you do not have an article that has a category, a reference, and a beginning and an end - half constructed articles cause many checking editors grief

• (4) Read and re-read very carefully WP:NOT and WP:POV as some editors who have reviewed your work are under the impresssion you have an agenda - you cannot do that on wikipedia - if you feel you dont have one - dosnt matter some feel you have - so thats something to deal with

• (5) Conservation, Environment and all the possible combinations of the two are an incredible mess on the Australian wiki project - with terminology, scope and variations in articles and categories not systematised, or more importantly

not reviewed by any process (unless someone has started that already - I havent been on my watchlist this am yet) that all australian editors are able to see and discuss - It would be very very wise not to start any more articles as you have until there is a sign that somehwere some part of the australian project is starting to resolve the chaos

• (6) Another most important issue which is the most invisible but which can be an insurance for the project, yourself as editor, and the integrity of wikipedia - is that if you do create a stub/article - that can stand perusal - it needs to be

listed at the new article list on the australian project page of that name - I would argue that most of your new stubs articles do not meet the standard for that list - because of the issues that I have already made...

So what to do? Go back have a look at what has happened to most of your articles and start attempts and see what has happened to them - learn from it but DO NOT react - more harm comes to those who fight changes on wikipedia - WP:OWN is worth reading on that.

Maybe have a very close look at the australian portal, and the project - and try to get a sense of what its all about - and try to work on existing articles rather than starting up parallel universes - best to leave that sort of thing to the science fiction writers and physicists to deal with that one...

This is given in good faith, and it also expected to be received as such - If there is something you dont like - tell me - be honest - but keep it within bounds of WP:Civility and WP:Wikiquette - cheers SatuSuro 23:32, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Cripes - you say you were in Macquarie Harbour - hope that was not literally and safely and not near the mouth of the king river! SatuSuro 08:54, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

I appreciate that - youve found the page and put that there - just wait for a few days - some might be monday-friday types as well - but thats the place. I do hope you get a reasonable response there! cheers ! SatuSuro 14:14, 23 February 2007 (UTC) ::There are some issues I'd be prepared to outline off-wiki - you are most welcome to email me at my talk page and I can explain SatuSuro 14:23, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Well worth having a look in my sandbox 2 how i am growing the csnf article - because of my background - refs are far more important than anything - keeps the V, N and heaps of other issues at bay when it surfaces. SatuSuro 01:32, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

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Great Barrier Reef - Thanks

Thanks heaps for dipping into the literature for climate change and the GBR - the thought of the literature kind of terrifies me. Does the section on climate change in the GBR article read well? I wrote some of it from my old high school notes. -Malkinann 00:09, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

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A new task force that could use your help

Hi Phanly, Given your interests and edits, I wanted to draw your attention to a new task force that I've set up with various editors. We're basically committed to making sure that the environmental records of major corporations and politicians are accurately and readably represented. Please take a look and consider joining! Benzocane 01:13, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

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Good News

Hi Phanly: have you seen this one? Pampa Wind Project -- Johnfos (talk) 05:38, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Johnfos dinghy (talk) 05:18, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Australian Mafia

The see also is looking like dogs breakfast - am moving most to the talk page - cheers SatuSuro 03:24, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Heheh - I never knew one personally when i lived in sydney many moons ago - so obscure media refs are not my expertise - bob bottom was big in those days though - if I get around to it Il check out some info - cheers SatuSuro 01:48, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Greenhouse Mafia

Thank you for the very diplomatic comments. I noticed your User:Phanly/Sandbox page on clean coal, you might also like the article on the Greenhouse Mafia. GG (talk) 01:43, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Socking

Please see User talk:Schneehasi and Misplaced Pages:Requests for checkuser/Case/Phanly and note that this account has been blocked for eight days, being the original seven day block on User:Scheehasi for spamming and disruptive editing, less "time served" (about two days), plus three days for disruptive editing and socking. Sarah 06:50, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

I acknowledge collaborating with the two real people who established those accounts and providing them with a template for what I believe was a justifiable edit for pages about coal fired power stations in Australia and I accept the block on that basis (meatpuppeting), even though if the edit is valid I don't really see why it matters who makes it. Scheehasi and Mungbo are real people and not sock puppets. Neither Sarah nor Gnangarra have ever responded to the requests for a clarification as to why a proposed reference to CARMA which made clear it is an estimate of GHG emissions is not an acceptable edit for a page about coal fired power stations. Similarly neither Sarah nor Gnangarra ever responded as to why referenced sentences about the IPCC suggested reductions in Greenhouse gas emissions and the Australian government policy referenced to an Australian government web sites are unacceptable edits for a page about a coal fired power station. dinghy (talk) 07:16, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Please see http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Kogan_Creek_Power_Station,_Queensland

A similar edit to that intended there will also be relevant to each other articles on coal fired power stations in Australia As CARMA is the best available and a reliable source for an estimate using the specific page on their web site which deals with the specific power station as a reference under Misplaced Pages guidlines is not link spamming but compliance with the requirement for references dinghy (talk) 20:51, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Phanly you were blocked for creating and operating the sockpuppets which where then used to spam CARMA into Power station articles. I recommend that you find some other articles to work, also under the circumstances of recent events sign comment with your user name not something else. Gnangarra 01:32, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

I have explained what was done and apologised. I have signed with Dinghy since my very early edits. I don't see how that is different to Gnangarra. The other people were real people - I did not use any aliases, but acknowledge I now understand about meatpuppets. I believe that like other editors I have a right to edit where I choose provided I act in general accordance with the guidelines. Given the Scientific opinion on climate change there is lots of work to do in Misplaced Pages to ensure articles reflect the scientific consensus. It is not a POV to make edits where the article does not have relevant scientific information from sources such as the IPCC, Governments or other relevant (reliable) sources, so that the article does have such info. It is also not a POV to make edits to ensure that such info is treated in accordance with it's importance within the article and nearly every major government has acknowledged the critical importance of climate change - List of Kyoto Protocol signatories. For the importance that the new leader of the western world places on it see dinghy (talk) 06:55, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

CARMA

Hi, I saw that you have added text to a number of power station-related articles, only to see it reverted or criticised. The reason why people are doing this is likely to be because the words immediately come across as campaigning. I'll quote the ever-eloquent Raul654: "An article is neutral if, after reading it, you cannot tell where the author's sympathies lie." Anyone reading this text or this text is almost certain to think "the author of this section wants to close all coal-fired power stations".

The commentary on the IPCC and global or national CO₂ reduction targets is not relevant here, though it is elsewhere in Misplaced Pages. It's not appropriate to add essentially this same text to all coal-fired station articles.

You might have better success if you confined this edit to something like "The CARMA database estimates that the station emits 4.33 million tonnes of greenhouse gases annually."

Hope this is helpful. Regards, — BillC 21:12, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Bill

See http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard for discussion where Itsmejudith (talk concluded after additional information was received that CARMA is a reliable source for estimates of emissions of Australian coal fired power stations. dinghy (talk) 13:32, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

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Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme

Phanly, the text you reinserted is a word for word copy right violation of the source I have removed it for the article. The second part was orgiinal research we don't make comments about issues or potential obstacles to political debates. Gnangarra 00:59, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

See your user page for reply - I fixed them and put them back in reworded and referenced. dinghy (talk) 15:04, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

coal future

You added "(At 5% growth per annum compound this means the resource runs out in year +45, 2051.) " to the article. Do you realise how ridiculous it is ? That implies that in 45 years time we'll be using 9 times as much coal as we do now. Does that seem likely to you? Greglocock (talk) 01:49, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

compound growth impact on resource life

Hi Greg, Thanks for contacting me:
If you use Excel you can replicate what I did by building the table yourself. I have offset the years by one so the year number matches the compounding number, so I start with year 0 not year 1.
155 years at current usage = 155 units at start of year 0 with none used yet
1 unit used in year 0 (total used = 1) leaving 154 at end year 0/start of year 1
In year 1 starting with 154 and using (1* (1+.05))^1 = 1.05 used in year 1 (total used now 1 + 1.05 = 2.05)leaving 152.95 at the start of year 2 but 154/1.05 = 146.66666667 years of supply left at the increased usage for year 2 (see below).
In year 2 starting with 151.8475 and using 1* (1+.05)^2 = 1.1025 (total used now 1 + 1.05 + 1.1025 = 3.1525) leaving 151.8475 at start of year 3 but 151.8475/1.157625 = 131.1715797 years of supply left at the increased usage for year 3 (see below).

In year 10 starting with 142.4221075 and using 1* (1+.05)^10 = 1.628894627 (total used now 1 + 1.05 + 1.1025 + 1.157625 + 1.21550625 + 1.276281563 + 1.340095641 + 1.407100423 + 1.477455444 + 1.551328216 + 1.628894627 = 14.20678716) leaving 140.7932128 at start of year 11 but 142.4221075 /1.628894627 = 87.43481937 years of supply left at the increased usage for year 11.

In year 20 starting with 121.9340459 and using 1*(1+.05)^20 = 2.653297705 (total now used = 35.71925181) leaving 119.2807482 at start of year 21 but 121.9340459/2.653297705 = 45.9556595 years of supply left at the increased usage for year 21.

and so it goes - it is the magic of compound interest/growth.

If you check using Excel and find any gross error, please let me know dinghy (talk) 07:31, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm not arguing with the maths, that took 5 seconds. If you don't understand why the conclusion, that society will fund a %5 expansion of coal mining the year before it runs out, is ridiculous, then you are impervious to irony. Which you seem to be. Greglocock (talk) 10:40, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Peak oil

Hi, just wanted to let you know I reverted your addition to Peak oil because there was no reference given. There has been a lot of back and forth in the past over references in that article, and a section with no citation is not a good idea. Also, it seems that there are too many factors at play to make a blanket statement about the effects of the export land model on a specific country without a lot of background and economic model simulations. NJGW (talk) 01:33, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

I went to reply on your user talk page but it loks like you have upset someone. Are the internal references to the relevant wikipedia pages not sufficient? Is Misplaced Pages not a reliable source? If I gave a page reference to EB on line version would that not be sufficient? I will give it some further thought. Cheers dinghy (talk) 11:07, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Not too sure why you are on my watchlist. No, WP is not considered an RS, as that could be self referential. Inconvenient I know. (Oh, and I've unwathed this page).Greglocock (talk) 23:36, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Sorry about the delay in replying. Greglocock is correct that you can't use Misplaced Pages as a reference. Check out WP:RS for the guidelines on what can be used. Also, I didn't see information at export model which said the same thing you wrote, but if I'm missing it you can bring over the same sources (as long as they are verified to say the same thing). Be sure you're careful not to put any original synthesis in any of your edits. Let me know if you have any other questions.

BTW, don't worry about my talk page... it's just some kid that can't play nice with others. If you see something like that anywhere on Misplaced Pages feel free to check the history and revert the vandals. NJGW (talk) 00:31, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

water security

had a quick look - will try to get back to you sometime about it- cheers SatuSuro 13:58, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion of Australian Network of Environmental Defenders Offices

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warming

Thanks. Good to see the statement not taking up too much space on the ice sheet page now.

I deleted the warming section from west antarctic ice sheet page. It may be appropriate to add back in a specific comment on the warming of the west antarctic ice sheet with the improved references.

One thing it is important to stress is that except for on the peninsula this warming is weak and as there is little surface melt (the ice sheet is still very cold) it does not have much of an effect on the west antarctic ice sheet at present. There are other factors that are causing increased ice loss from the west antarctic ice sheet which may be related to changes in climate (but not necessarily, and certainly not directly, atmospheric warming) so I think it is important to emphasise these and not confuse this message too much. I will add some more on this when I get the time Polargeo (talk) 11:59, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

I have inserted at the bottom of the page only the conclusion that there is warming and used your improved reference and noted that the peninisula is where it is strongest.