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| ::David, don't apologize for being mean: you're not, and your point is well taken. I know what it's like to be on the wrong end of a troll, and I'll do what I can to help. My problem is I know nothing about the issues or what accounts we're talking about. Could you list the sock puppets or IP addresses this person is believed to have used, and which articles he tends to hang around? Either here or on my talk page would be fine. ] <sup><font color="Purple">]</font></sup> 03:04, 4 November 2005 (UTC) | ::David, don't apologize for being mean: you're not, and your point is well taken. I know what it's like to be on the wrong end of a troll, and I'll do what I can to help. My problem is I know nothing about the issues or what accounts we're talking about. Could you list the sock puppets or IP addresses this person is believed to have used, and which articles he tends to hang around? Either here or on my talk page would be fine. ] <sup><font color="Purple">]</font></sup> 03:04, 4 November 2005 (UTC) | ||
| Mr. Davidpdx: Please fix the second archieved page as it is only a duplication of the first.] 03:56, 4 November 2005 (UTC) | |||
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I've unlocked this because the discussion seems to have dried up. Please try to reach a compromise between your positions. Any apparent sock puppet accounts are likely to be blocked by the way. Cheers, SlimVirgin 02:52, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
- I think it's absouletly stupid to unprotect this page at this point. Look at what has happened already Johnski has vandalized the page. Why do you think he won't? He's going to take EVERY opprotunity he can to revert this. Nothing has changed since it was protected. Yes, the conversation has "dried up," but that is due in part to most of us taking stepping away from this article that has ended up being so time consuming for awhile.
- This article needs to be protected until the time the arbitration committee can accept a case in which they can hear the complaints about what is going on. In essance by unprotecting this page you are enabling Johnski to continue to vandalize this page. Davidpdx 12:10, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
- We can't keep an article protected indefinitely. Have you filed an RfAr, and how long were you envisaging protection would be needed? SlimVirgin 12:33, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
- I realize the article can't be protected indefinately. I have not filed an RfAr because last time I looked they weren't accepting any more cases. I will check again.
- The problem I have, is those that are moderators seem to do little or nothing to help when there is a legitimate problem with vandalism. I've reported Johnski numerous times for 3RR violation. Has he been banned? Of course not! I have also asked for a IP check, to see who a bunch of diffrent users are, some of which we believe are sockpuppets Johnski uses. Again I wasn't able to get a response back.
- I'm not trying to be mean to you SV. I just have to ask myself, why bother? Is it really worth my time if someone can just trash things over and over again (we are talking 60+ times in two months). He has ignored the rules of Misplaced Pages and basically gets away with it. It goes to show the system doesn't work. Davidpdx 14:27, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
- The other thing I would like to say about your origonal post above and the comment, "Please try to reach a compromise between your positions." The fact is that I have tried to come to a compromise with Johnski. Everytime I turned around he reverted this page and claimed he had consensus when he clearly did not. He has lied numerous times and misrepresents the rules of Misplaced Pages to suit his own needs. That is why no one is willing to work with him. He says we are the ones who are uncooperative, well I'm sorry to say it's he, himself that is causing the problems. Davidpdx 14:43, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
In related news, User:Jayjg protected Bakok Atoll for us yesterday after I sought his advice. Johnski just takes the fight to other articles. I've issued an ultimatum to Johnski over on that talk page, though I don't know if he's seen it; Johnski is in violation of several policies, and we are not going to let this go on forever. We will take it through dispute resolution if we have to. Protected or not, Johnski will not be allowed to use these articles as his playground. Jayjg also said he'd support blocking Johnski for gaming the three revert rule. Jdavidb (talk • contribs) 14:47, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
- I am glad to hear that David someone else is interested in taking a stance. I'm also appreciative of what SV said about banning sockpuppets (I'm saying it now cause I know I might have seemed harsh in my post above). I have filed a request for mediation, which is the first step. We will see if it's accepted. If that doesn't work then we will take to the next step, which is arbitration. Davidpdx 15:07, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
- David, don't apologize for being mean: you're not, and your point is well taken. I know what it's like to be on the wrong end of a troll, and I'll do what I can to help. My problem is I know nothing about the issues or what accounts we're talking about. Could you list the sock puppets or IP addresses this person is believed to have used, and which articles he tends to hang around? Either here or on my talk page would be fine. SlimVirgin 03:04, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
Mr. Davidpdx: Please fix the second archieved page as it is only a duplication of the first.KAJ 03:56, 4 November 2005 (UTC)