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A Nobody

A Nobody (talk · contribs) I have been around for a couple of years now and while I had earlier entered into and graduated from the adopt-a-user program, I thought it might be worthwhile to set up a page for good faith and constructive feedback as I have seen a number of colleagues set up these pages and they seem somewhat helpful. I have experienced some unfortunate things involving certain editors and other individuals whom I do not know if they are here. These issues caused me to change my username and abandon my old userpage on which I had many barnstars and posted other nice comments editors said about me. As such, please refrain from referring to my old username and as my editing style is somewhat different too, please be sure to make suggestions based on recent edits. Thank you for your time and consideration! Sincerely, A Nobody 20:57, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Reviews

• I for one did not appreciate that this user altered my user page with basically an advertisement for himself and I have seen others with similar complains. If you are forced to use these tacticts in order to get your name "out there", perhaps you should consider why you are not popular to begin with? I don't need your welcome, I can find my way around here very well thank you. So in short, stop hi-jacking new peoples' pages for your own personal gain. 83.250.217.236 (talk) 15:03, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

• I think A Nobody (AN) makes a steady and conscientious effort to find compromise. While s/he may not agree with the outcome of every discussion, AN makes the effort to understand where all parties are coming from and tries to use that discussion to improve Misplaced Pages. Whether this is via working on an article kept at AfD or requests an article to be userfied to work on the concerns raised at the AfD, it's clear the goal is to improve the project. While AN has a passion for all things fictional, I suggest a possible diversification since working on different articles improves all of our strengths as editors. Feel free to ask me if you'd like further information. StarM 23:02, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

• When I first heard that a new Ethiopian restaurant was opening, I was eager to dig my injera-filled hand into a hot, heaping serving of sega wat while nursing a glass of tej...what, isn’t this where I’m supposed to do the restaurant review? Oh, sorry...wrong review. But if I can stay on the culinary analogy, I can say that our friend A Nobody has provided the project with plenty of food for thought. In the AfD and RfA discussions, his points are never undercooked and he offers his opinions in carefully prepared servings that doesn’t leave you hungry for more details. He is one of the most pleasant and helpful members of the Misplaced Pages community, and his passion for improving the content and character of the project is peerless. I can state, with no degree of exaggeration, that A Nobody is among my favourite Wikipedians – and I’d gladly treat him to dinner! Ecoleetage (talk) 19:53, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

• Overall I've been impressed with AN's recent editing patterns, particularly the welcoming of hundreds of new users and the efforts to collaborate with other and find references for articles. We had butted heads in the past, and when I noticed his return to WP I had my concerns, but I'm happy to say that his contributions have been on the whole very constructive. Typically, where disputes arise, AN looks for venues through which to discuss the issues (talk pages, RfC, etc) and the end result is constructive consensus. While I may often hold the opposite opinion on the issue, I respect AN's views and can see that he is acting in good faith. A few recent edits I noticed at an AN/I thread, however, raised my eyebrows a bit: – these are indicative of old patterns that need to be curbed. Reposting his original comment multiple times gives the impression of trying to dominate the discussion, can be quite annoying to others involved in the discussion, and is way too similar to some of the contentious behavior that led to past troubles. It would suffice to simply ask others to stay on topic, rather than shoving the topic in their faces multiple times. Also remember that when you bring an issue to RfC, AN, or other such channels, you raise just as much scrutiny on yourself as you do on the other parties involved. Keep a cool head and just ignore the detractors. Other than that I feel that AN is doing a great job overall. --IllaZilla (talk) 00:43, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

• I frequent the AFD's and a name I often see is "A Nobody". I would describe him as an "inclusionist" (I hope he doesn't take that as an insult), he improves articles whilst at AFD as part of the Article Rescue Squadron. What stands out about him is that he is the only !voter (I've seen) who regularly improves articles, that I also suspect aren't even in his field of interest! He is also one of the few inclusionists that understands what Misplaced Pages's definition of notability is. I respect all this about him. However this laudable vigour in which he throws himself into his work would give me concerns if he were to attempt to become an admin. I believe that A Nobody feels very strongly that the scope for inclusion could/should be bigger, and this could lead to all sorts of undesirable emotive debates in which the potential for abuse of tools could occur. I will note though, that this is slightly my personal preference; I like my admins to be reasonably apathetic and generally dis-interested in adding content to the encyclopaedia (in short the opposite of a regular editor). I would recommend that A Nobody join "Adopt-a-User", but as an adopter. Ryan4314 (talk) 02:37, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

• Definitely seems like a good user, very helpful and pleasant, although I admit I only met him today. However, it seems like today was just an average day from looking at the comments above. Spinach Monster (talk) 02:26, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
• Good editor, always willing to help new editors out. Very brave, not afraid to be in the minority on an issue. Very intellegent editor. Ikip (talk) 21:23, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
• I've known this user in his current and previous incarnation for better than two years now and I consider him to be among the most competent and rational of all the people that frequently piss me off. That's not a slam against him, rather it is a pretty big compliment coming from me. He is consistent and dedicated, and more knowledgeable than all but a fraction of the administrators on the project. In a perfect world, he would be an administrator himself. However, he has refused my offer to nominate him for that position... and for good reason - he would never pass an RfA, which truly is a shame. The community could only benefit from giving this editor the tools. If I had to point out any area that he needs to improve on, it has to do with his overall ability to reject compromise. He has the tendency to be unwilling to accept anything short getting things the way that he wants them. Trusilver 06:07, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
• User:A Nobody does actually useful work at RFA by providing a lot of diffs rather than just hand-waving, and I like the fact that this editor seems to have a consistent philosophy of kindness towards new contributors (but not towards admin candidates). But there's a problem with this editor's record at RFA, although the problem isn't so much this editor as the way voters react to this editor. It would all work out alright if people would just say "Thanks for the diffs, but no thanks on those rationales; if you want to make the argument that agreeing with SNOW deletes is a horrible thing to do, the place for that argument is at DRV, not here." But they don't; there's a long series of arguments like this one that confuse people new to RFA. The diffs really can be helpful for people looking for AfD information, but I'm wondering if it's time for the RFA community to come up with a standard, linkable response to this editor's lengthier rationales to save people some time, with a reminder along the lines of WP:Forum shopping. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 14:32, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

I believe an incident similar to the extended "neutral !vote" occurred here; where another user accused A Nobody of "hijacking" a thread about an admin abusing his tools "and taking it way, way off topic", attempting to discuss the result of a recently closed AFD. Ryan4314 (talk) 18:31, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Update: there's been a noticeable improvement at RFA, ever since the diff I mentioned. Friendly, well-researched rationales. Right on! - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 16:45, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

• Editor:A Nobody is certainly not a nobody. He is a Peacemaker. In today's WikiWorld that is a hallowed position to take. He advocates communication and co-operation, in human terms. The fact that he can interrelate with opposing editors and (almost) forces them to admit to a common ground is admirable. We should all have that quality.--Buster7 (talk) 06:14, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
• User:A Nobody is a Godsend. The article I've been working on got flagged for deletion, and I've been spending all of my time trying to prevent it rather than being able to actually work on the article. What a conundrum, huh? Thankfully, User:A Nobody has been helpful in putting references in place correctly, editing the article for clarity, et cetera, work I don't have time to focus on myself. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ks64q2 (talk • contribs) 00:04, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
• I will honor the request to not mention your previous identities, but I consider you to be the same disruptive editor that you have always been, simply presenting yourself in a less contentious form. Your constant contention that knowledge of your previous identities presented some threat to your safety which required you to abuse the right to vanish, which explicitly states that "vanished users have no right to silently return under a new identity" is beyond credibility. I would strongly encourage you to honor your obligations and, having vanished, cease editing Misplaced Pages.—Kww(talk) 19:56, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Comments

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Questions

1. Of your contributions to Misplaced Pages, are there any about which you are particularly pleased, and why?

   I have welcomed thousands of new users, created several pages, rescued many articles from deletion, added references to a number of stubs, made numerous corrections of grammar, helped to have hoax articles deleted, successfully identified several sockpuppeteers and their puppets, and even uploaded images. All of these accomplishments I am pleased with collectively rather than feeling particularly proud of any invdividual achievement. Anything that I have done to help other editors or to brighten any editor's day or to help contribute to our cataloging of human knowledge gives me some degree of satisfaction and makes editing here a rewarding experience. Sincerely, --A Nobody 01:38, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or do you feel other users have caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?

   Yes on both counts. I have dealt with it in different ways. In some instances I suspected that I was being harangued by sock accounts and reported them and those ones were and are blocked. Other times I stopped editing for a time to cool off. In the future, I think it will be best to if possible ignore editors that are baiting or bullying me, but if necessary seek administrator intervention. I am here to help build a paperless encyclopedia, not to get into fights with people. That is why I am not interested in linking to past disputes here. I hope that hatchets can be buried and encyclopedists can move on and focus on building on online encyclopedia rather than holding grudges. As school and work continue to be busy, my editing time is really limited and may increase in being limited, so I do not really have the time to get bogged down in disputes anyway. Back in the day I used to have a bit more time and could really go back and forth with editors, especially in deletion discussions, but now I am far more apt to say my peace and only reply if someone replies to me. I would much rather whatever time I use here be devoted to improving articles or spreading wiki-love. Sincerely, --A Nobody 01:38, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

5. Would you like to become an administrator one day? Ryan4314 (talk) 23:57, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

   Hello! Having the extra tools would indeed allow me to help out in ways beyond what I focus on now, which is primarily article rescue and welcoming new users. For example, I think my arguments in DRVs and RfAs would be stronger by being able to see deleted contribs, I would be trustworthy with deleting hoax articles as every AfD in which I argued to delete did close as delete and someone once proposed having a shortcut that if I say it should be deleted then..., etc.; however, I changed usernames last year after experiencing some on-wiki harassment by various sock farms as well as some swear-ward laden and threatening emails that caused me to close down my old email account as well. There have been some other off-wiki incidents that I do not wish to discuss on-wiki for privacy reasons and that I have only shared with a couple whom I really trust. As such, I fear that being an admin would put me in a position to attract further hostility and aggression from these individuals that would go against why I changed usernames and had various identifiable images that I foolishly upload deleted and why I requested other edits be oversighted. Anyway, thank you for your question and happy Groundhog Day! Best, --A Nobody 01:38, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

6. Just out of curiosity, what motivates you to give people smiles?Smallman12q (talk) 22:37, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

   As part of the kindness campaign, I believe that editors matter. As such, I want editors to feel that their efforts are appreciated and I believe that a gesture of kindness helps retain editors, brighten peoples' day, and ease tensions among editors. Finally, as editors have given me smiles and barnstars, I like to return the favor as it were.  :) I guess the crux of it that while cataloging human knowledge is a serious goal, there is no reason why it should not be enjoyable getting there. Sincerely, --A Nobody 22:48, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

7. It often appears that you give oppose or neutral !votes to people who don't share your extreme inclusionist philosophy, and/or who have, on a few occasions, placed !votes on AFDs that an essay with narrow acceptance discourages. Do you feel that this (a) risks needlessly antagonizing people, (b) is relevant to whether a user would be a good administrator or not, and (c) accomplishes anything? Stifle (talk) 09:25, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

   I do not have an extreme inclusion philosophy, rather an inclusion philosophy that is more in line with the thousands of article creators and writers and millions of readers in practice. I seek to defend their efforts to use Misplaced Pages for the kinds of knowledge they wish us to cover, because Misplaced Pages:Editors matter. The half dozen odd deletes we get from the same overall minority of accounts in any given AfD versus say the hundreds of unique editors who edited any given article and the thousands of unique page views it gets suggest that if any philosophy is extremist it is those handful trying to delete, especially because I have found that I have actually argued to delete more articles than a number of those who have critiqued me in the past have argued to keep. In fact, the last two AfDs I commented in, I argued to delete per User:A Nobody/Deletion discussions. Anyway, with regards to the RfAs, yes, sometimes it does convince some editors to oppose per User:A_Nobody#List_of_editors_who_have_agreed_with_my_arguments_or_made_other_nice_observations_about_my_efforts and the old list I had with my previous name showed additional examples. It matters greatly in the candidate's ability to be an admin, because I have seen some identifying as deletionist makes unexplained closures that appear obviously biased. Misplaced Pages:Articles_for_deletion/Rubber-Band_Man_(Static_Shock) and Misplaced Pages:Articles_for_deletion/Mainframe_(C.O.P.S.) clearly had no consensus to delete either. In Misplaced Pages:Articles_for_deletion/Sennon and Misplaced Pages:Articles_for_deletion/Schutzwald nearly everyone seemed okay with a redirect. Thus, when I see "it's cruft" and "non-notable" non-arguments it seems consistent with admins who will close discussions based on their personal feelings rather than the actual discussion or some kind of neutral policy/guideline based rationale. As far as antagonizing them goes, for one thing people who make weak "its cruft" non-arguments need to be called out on them and second, if someone wants to be in a position where editors will likely contest their deletions and blocks, they need to be able to handle at least RfA challenges. Finally, as Misplaced Pages is not a vote, I want to add something unique to the discussion and not just repeat what someone else said or simply "vote." Best, --A Nobody 18:09, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

   How do you reconcile the above rationale with your history of being either the sole dissenter or in a very small minority of opposes for candidates who have passed RfA? Do you see your comments as being "protest votes", or do you believe that RfA, like AfD, is being skewed by a particular group of editors? Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 09:56, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

   I would say a minority of editors overall are aware of RfAs just like a minority are aware of AfDs. To be totally honest, I find AfDs to be largely a waste and drain on our time. Most of the time anymore, I don't even bother commenting in them preferring to just work on the articles and hope the closer will see the improvements. Imagine how many articles that are saveable could be saved if poeple just did that instead of starting AFDs in part hoping someone else will do the article improvement work. AfDs are frequently distractions for what should be done on the talk page if anything. It's kind of like some accounts that just slap notability tags on articles without ever actually trying to find and add sources. All that misplaced effort... And on top of it, I have seen several accounts that do nothing more than have rapid fire "non-notable" "it's cruft" deletes with pretty much no article creation and writing. I don't see much value or purpose in that. Anyway, how many total accounts do we have versus how many regularly comment in RfAs and AfDs? My main feeling is simply that if being an admin "is no big deal", then people should be able to oppose for whatever reason they want with the oppose also being "no big deal." Anyway, I usually support candidates (I think the last few RfAs I commented in were supports and for multiple reasons). My main concern as an article rescuer is that the kinds of accounts who make the hit and run "it's cruft" non-arguments at AfD that hardly reflect any careful consideration of the articles turn out as admins who wind up having biased closes and the necessity for DRVs. My hope is that editors will be encouraged to make more thoughtful comments in AfDs and for admins to be mindful of explaining their closes. Best, --A Nobody 10:10, 5 March 2009 (UTC)