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	...and it was all reverted by Greekstar12 stating 'not gossip, situations that were associated with the artist's life; states when they were confirmed false and ARE SOURCED!' ] rumors IS gossip and have no place in Misplaced Pages. Instead of keeping it out of the article more was added always using the same TABLOID as a 'source'. ''Espresso'' is NOT a ] and using it to make such serious allegations in a ] is a violation of Misplaced Pages policy. ] (]) 12:21, 20 March 2009 (UTC)		...and it was all reverted by Greekstar12 stating 'not gossip, situations that were associated with the artist's life; states when they were confirmed false and ARE SOURCED!' ] rumors IS gossip and have no place in Misplaced Pages. Instead of keeping it out of the article more was added always using the same TABLOID as a 'source'. ''Espresso'' is NOT a ] and using it to make such serious allegations in a ] is a violation of Misplaced Pages policy. ] (]) 12:21, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

			::Hey, Espresso is NOT a tabloid magazine, it is a daily newspaper that tends to focus more on entertainment, but also on politics. An example of a tabloid in Greece is ''Very Sorry'', the Greek version of the ''National Enquirer'' that rarely publishes anything remotely true. Espresso is a national/government owned newspaper. The newspapers in Greece come in a few different categories, daily, nightly, weekly, and monthly. The ones delivered in the morning are politically-affiliated. The deal with Espresso is that it has no political affiliation (bias to one political party), so it has minimal censorship. There is a gossip '''section''', however, if you look at the ref, it comes from the exclusive section. All of the other sections are news and happenings around Athens. The newspaper focuses mostly on entertainment life, but also on social issues and even politics. For example, they ran the case of the missing Russian boy Alex for months, and that's not gossip. Since there are no newspapers like this in N.America and other parts of the world, so it may be hard to grasp. (Also, the ref is not news, it is a tribute artist bio)

			Also, look at ]. You will find Espresso under '''daily political newspapers''', making it an officially approved source. You won't find ''Very Sorry'' (popular tabloid) there or even a tabloid section. Does that prove anything to you? I don't mean any disrespect, and I really appreciate you taking interest in this article, but your edits make you seem like a fan who doesn't want to include anything negative in the artist's article. All artists have had their negative publicity, some is just gossip, while others, such as Rouvas' case is encyclopedic. Censorship does not help the article --I just don't get why everybody freaks out at the mention of suicide. It is a horrible thing, I know, but Rouvas' attempt was huge news in Greece in that era. His mental health was doubted. His own publications have confirmed this. In 2001, Rouvas released a compilation box set from Universal under publishing of Delta Press, ]. The album includes a biography that confirms that the artist claimed to have mental issues (incl.agoraphobia). The Greek independent magazine ''Afisorama'' that dedicates issues to artist bios and interviews have also confirmed these issues about the attempted suicide and military service. Furthermore, your edits did'nt really help because when you took out the info of the drug possession charge, you wrote that the doctor was initially charged. In your edit summary you say wrote what was actually in the reference, but the ref says that the doctor was charged later. That's witholding and changing information to your benefit, which is highly POV. If it will put you at ease, I will get the other two primary refs as well. As for the yacht scandal, Psinakis did an interview on ''Status'' verifying all of the happenings, later even naming his talk show after the T-shirt sogan.

			What has to be kept in mind is that although most rumors come and go, some are a very big component to the artists' career. Ie: the suicide/psychosis was a huge issue at the time and was a recurring topic for months. The drug charge (although false) became a huge public deal, so much so that T-shirts were printed as a common joke, although I never once stated that he was a drug addict, but the stigma itself was huge. I can get more refs, but you have to differentiate between what's gossip and what's were significant accusations and occurences in the artist's life. ] (]) 22:10, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

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This article had to be stubbed back to a version from 2004. All later versions had unsourced claims that were severe WP:BLP violations, carried along for over three years, and other serious POV problems. Please re-expand this article, but with scrupulous attention to good sources. Fut.Perf. ☼ 20:50, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

The article has since been re-expanded. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 13:50, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Personal life

The 'personal life' section needs to be cleared from all the gossip. Espresso news is by no means a reliable source. This is supposed to be an Encyclopaedia article not a gossip column. ギリシャ人 (talk) 14:31, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Nothing is stopping you from fixing it. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 15:04, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

I tried to fix it (somewhat) based on what was already there. However, it still contains stuff that I have had no means of verifying.ギリシャ人 (talk) 13:35, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

...and it was all reverted by Greekstar12 stating 'not gossip, situations that were associated with the artist's life; states when they were confirmed false and ARE SOURCED!' Tabloid rumors IS gossip and have no place in Misplaced Pages. Instead of keeping it out of the article more was added always using the same TABLOID as a 'source'. Espresso is NOT a reliable source and using it to make such serious allegations in a biography of a living person is a violation of Misplaced Pages policy. ギリシャ人 (talk) 12:21, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Hey, Espresso is NOT a tabloid magazine, it is a daily newspaper that tends to focus more on entertainment, but also on politics. An example of a tabloid in Greece is Very Sorry, the Greek version of the National Enquirer that rarely publishes anything remotely true. Espresso is a national/government owned newspaper. The newspapers in Greece come in a few different categories, daily, nightly, weekly, and monthly. The ones delivered in the morning are politically-affiliated. The deal with Espresso is that it has no political affiliation (bias to one political party), so it has minimal censorship. There is a gossip section, however, if you look at the ref, it comes from the exclusive section. All of the other sections are news and happenings around Athens. The newspaper focuses mostly on entertainment life, but also on social issues and even politics. For example, they ran the case of the missing Russian boy Alex for months, and that's not gossip. Since there are no newspapers like this in N.America and other parts of the world, so it may be hard to grasp. (Also, the ref is not news, it is a tribute artist bio)

Also, look at List of newspapers in Greece. You will find Espresso under daily political newspapers, making it an officially approved source. You won't find Very Sorry (popular tabloid) there or even a tabloid section. Does that prove anything to you? I don't mean any disrespect, and I really appreciate you taking interest in this article, but your edits make you seem like a fan who doesn't want to include anything negative in the artist's article. All artists have had their negative publicity, some is just gossip, while others, such as Rouvas' case is encyclopedic. Censorship does not help the article --I just don't get why everybody freaks out at the mention of suicide. It is a horrible thing, I know, but Rouvas' attempt was huge news in Greece in that era. His mental health was doubted. His own publications have confirmed this. In 2001, Rouvas released a compilation box set from Universal under publishing of Delta Press, Sakis Rouvas (compilation). The album includes a biography that confirms that the artist claimed to have mental issues (incl.agoraphobia). The Greek independent magazine Afisorama that dedicates issues to artist bios and interviews have also confirmed these issues about the attempted suicide and military service. Furthermore, your edits did'nt really help because when you took out the info of the drug possession charge, you wrote that the doctor was initially charged. In your edit summary you say wrote what was actually in the reference, but the ref says that the doctor was charged later. That's witholding and changing information to your benefit, which is highly POV. If it will put you at ease, I will get the other two primary refs as well. As for the yacht scandal, Psinakis did an interview on Status verifying all of the happenings, later even naming his talk show after the T-shirt sogan.

What has to be kept in mind is that although most rumors come and go, some are a very big component to the artists' career. Ie: the suicide/psychosis was a huge issue at the time and was a recurring topic for months. The drug charge (although false) became a huge public deal, so much so that T-shirts were printed as a common joke, although I never once stated that he was a drug addict, but the stigma itself was huge. I can get more refs, but you have to differentiate between what's gossip and what's were significant accusations and occurences in the artist's life. 72.137.235.233 (talk) 22:10, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

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