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Repeated AA2 Breach

Meowy (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) was placed on AA2 editing restrictions on October 18, 2007, limiting him to a 1 revert per week. After a fresh report just few days ago (still be seen just below) , Meowy again violated this restriction by trying to reinsert a disputed map by a blogger on Azerbaijan Democratic Republic page:

• 1st Revert - 01:40, 4 April 2009
• 2nd Revert - 19:55, 4 April 2009

Besides the violation of 1RR, his reverts are contrary to discussion going on the talk page, with understanding that no disputed POV maps should appear on the page until there is consensus achieved. Atabəy (talk) 07:32, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Comment: It is not "a disputed map by a blogger", but a map from Wikicommons authorized by Andrew Andersen and George Partskhaladze. Both are reliable experts on topic see for example the reviews . It looks it is not a discussion over a known publication "Atlas of Conflicts" and a map from there, but simple removal of reliable material that Meowy just returned back. Andranikpasha (talk) 12:30, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

I am familiar with Meowy's restriction, being the admin who blocked him for his latest violation of it. The edit he reverted is not except from the restriction as "obvious vandalism", since the reliability of the map he reinserted appears to be in dispute (although I am not expressing an opinion as to whether it is reliable or not). For his repeated violation of AA2 restrictions, I am blocking him for a week.  Sandstein  13:17, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Ayn Rand

User:72.199.110.160 is currently engaged in an edit war on the article in breech of Arbcom ruling here. The IP has been doing a lot of constructive work in improving citations, but has also been inserting material that other editors consider biased refusing to engage in any conversation despite repeated requests see here. More recently the editor has inserted a series of mini essays on objectivist philosophy. This has been discussed on the talk page here and agreement reached that the material is inappropriate. Despite this the IP has re-inserted the material here and here. The IP has refused (or rather ignored) all requests to discuss matters on the talk page of the article. Requests to do so on the IPs talk page have been completely ignored, including ones warning that failure to do so would result in the issue being raised here. This is a pattern that also occurred last December before the Arbcom ruling. The reversions are similar in number to those that earned variable length topic bans for other authors and are compounded in this case by a resolute refusal to engage in any discussion. Ideally the imposition of a topic ban or other penalty maybe the only way to get this editors attention. --Snowded (talk) 03:25, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Topic bans are social mechanisms, not software ones. If he doesn't engage in discussion odds are he won't recognize a topic ban. I would recommend a one to two day block to get his attention explaining that if he is going to continue contributing he needs to engage and not edit-war. TallNapoleon (talk) 03:44, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Given the users prior form I would be tempted to do both if it was my decision, however anything that gets the IP to engage would be appreciated. The advantage of a topic ban is that it enforces discussion as a social process and bans can then follow if the social process is ignored --Snowded (talk) 04:04, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

AA2 breach

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

On Oct 18, 2007 Meowy (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) was placed termlessly under AA2 restrictions and is listed among people placed under the editing restrictions. He was limited to one revert per page per week, excepting obvious vandalism, but recently made three reverts in two days at the same page: , , . Despite Meowy's appeals for sticking to talk it was him who resorted to edit-warring. Previously he removed other user’s comment at AfD discussion, allegedly because he did not like it. According to AA2 decision, any uninvolved administrator may, on his or her own discretion, impose sanctions on any editor working in the area of conflict if, despite being warned, that editor repeatedly or seriously fails to adhere to the purpose of Misplaced Pages, any expected standards of behavior, or any normal editorial process. brandспойт 13:59, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Y Blocked for 48 hours for the revert restriction violation.  Sandstein  14:10, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

The Original Wildbear

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

• The Original Wildbear (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

The user's page states, Promoting accuracy in information. They have been disrupting Talk:Collapse of the World Trade Center with tendentious, repetitious arguments. It is highly disruptive to repeat the same rejected proposals over and over again. We've seen this pattern many times before. I request that this account be banned from all 9/11 pages under WP:ARB9/11's discretionary sanctions. Thank you. Jehochman 08:35, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Each single-purpose account that shows up beating the drum for the conspiracy theories should be warned once, and then banned from the 9/11 pages. There's no reason to keep going through this again and again. Tom Harrison 01:35, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

See for example User:DawnisuponUS. Tom Harrison 02:04, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Who apparently had experience of editing Misplaced Pages before that account was created. Dougweller (talk) 18:31, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, some of the accounts appearing at this venue appear to be similar in personality to prior accounts that were banned. Jehochman 19:18, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Could you or another administrator please give the user an official warning. That way they cannot claim lack of warning next time. There is in fact a warning about WP:NOR and 9/11 on their talk page at this very moment, but it does not specificly mention the arbitration case. Jehochman 18:18, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Done, Tom Harrison 12:48, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Is there proof that The Original Wildbear is User:DawnisuponUS? A cursory inspection indicates although there is a small overlap they edit at different times of day. Is "similar in personality" to a banned user a criteria for banning another user? Is it good faith to request a user be warned without any proof he has done anything to warrant a warning "just in case"? As you say "some of the accounts appearing at this venue" in the plural I assume you mean me as I'm the only one outside of your own supporters posting. Justify or retract the accusation. Wayne (talk) 07:57, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

No accusation was made. Stop disrupting this board with battleground tactics, please. Jehochman 15:30, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Ohconfucius yet again

Ohconfucius (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) has started delinking dates in violation of the date delinking injunction yet again today (). Take a look at his block log if you're not aware of the previous history with this user. -- Earle Martin 14:05, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

These are obviously not through a bot or script as there are other changes beyond one or two dates being delinked from each, and doesn't seem to be a program of "mass delinking" as cautioned against in the restriction. I see nothing wrong with his actions here compared to his earlier actions that were clearly against this. --MASEM (t) 14:08, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

This seems to be normal page cleanup, with minor de-linking. The injunction states,

"Until this case is decided or otherwise directed by the Arbitration Committee, all editors are instructed not to engage in any program of mass linking or delinking of dates in existing articles, including but not limited to through the use of bots, scripts, tools, or otherwise."

This is a trivial matter. As a courtesy, I've notified Ohconfucius of the post. seicer | talk | contribs 14:13, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

I felt it best to mention this earlier rather than later, given this user's history of violating this injunction. -- Earle Martin 14:18, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

• I am so touched by your consideration, Earle. I would suggest my talk page being the most direct way of attracting my attention. Ohconfucius (talk) 14:25, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Depends what you mean if you think its trivial. As far as I can see he runs the script at User:Ohconfucius/monobook.js on each article he edits. This removes all date links, amongst other things. For me its right on the edge because its clearly script-based editing, but he's not doing it to many articles. On the other hand the intention is clearly to flout the injunction, since he is not doing the edits manually. If he spent more time editing articles it would clearly be a problem. As it is, I don't know. I admit that I find his manner abrasive, and I think he is probably getting pleasure out of deliberately skirting the edges of the injunction, so count me as ticked-off by an editor who is uncooperative. You can decide for yourselves whether that's a problem. AKAF (talk) 14:30, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

I understand, and I have blocked him in the past (see ), but this is nothing in comparison to what has been done in the past. seicer | talk | contribs 14:42, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

• The injunction says: "including but not limited to through the use of bots, scripts, tools, or otherwise". Use of the script is not the problem, as all means of mass-delinking are at issue here. Removing a small number of date instances from four articles is not "mass delinking", thank you very much. Ohconfucius (talk) 02:17, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

• I think we should block the account until such time as all date linking or delinking scripts are disabled. Jehochman 16:33, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

• I totally rewrote three of those articles, spending a good half hour on each, and I probably delinked a couple of date links in each article while I was at it. However, I would pologise if my actions come arcoss as provocative. I undertake not to edit any more articles outside my current watchlist, so as to avoid any further accusations of deliberately delinking dates until the injunction is lifted. Ohconfucius (talk) 17:09, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Jehochman, my clear recollection is that you are INVOLVED, and should leave the matter to another admin. Now, Ohconfucius, given sensitivities and that he is a party to the ArbCom hearing, has been unwise; however, this hardly falls within the definition of "mass program" (as specified by the injunction). Indeed, he appears to have done a lot of other work on the articles concerned at the same time. I believe that in view of his written undertaking to avoid unlinking until the lifting of the temporary injunction against mass unlinking, he should be given the benefit of the doubt.

I remind you that User:Kendrick7 was discovered to be fly-by relinking dates to many, many articles, over a period of more than two weeks—yet he somehow escaped blocking for the blatant breach of the injunction. I'm not saying that the injunction should not be enforced; however, Ohconfucius's article improvements at issue here seem relatively trivial. Tony (talk) 17:21, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Although Jehochman has made comments in the past regarding the case, that does not make him involved, per se. Given that he hasn't blocked Ohconfucius, to tell him to hold off on commentary is not a wise move. seicer | talk | contribs 17:39, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Instead of blocking Ohconfucius until he complies, I think it would be preferable to remove the script from the monobook, and protect the page. PhilKnight (talk) 13:54, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

I'd support that. Or just remove it, and treat the reinsertion as a deliberate attempt to defy the injunction.DGG (talk) 15:01, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

The script can be used for other purposes besides delinking dates. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:41, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

If on the User:Ohconfucius/monobook.js page, the section immediately below '//month+day piped' and '//4 digit years piped' were blanked, would that allow the other functions to work normally? PhilKnight (talk) 23:29, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

• You will see from the edits is that there that I have been trying to customise it. I'm hoping it will do strictly inter-conversion of date formats. So far, my comprehension of js is still limited, but I am still trying. AFAICT, the sections you mentioned relate only to removing links for piped date links such as ] and ]. I have no interest in disturbing those links. Ohconfucius (talk) 02:05, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

I've edited your monobook page, and disabled all the date delinking functions. PhilKnight (talk) 13:46, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

That seems like a good solution. There's no excuse for anybody to be running automated linking or delinking scripts. Jehochman 21:04, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Topic ban needed

• Raquel Baranow (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
• WP:ARB9/11

See this diff. The editor was previously warned and has received extensive counseling here. They refuse to understand that Misplaced Pages is not for publishing original research and promoting conspiracy theories. Jehochman 21:01, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Any objections to a 1-year ban? PhilKnight (talk) 23:51, 4 April 2009 (UTC)