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MarshallBagramyan

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Request concerning MarshallBagramyan

User requesting enforcement

Grandmaster 19:41, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested

MarshallBagramyan (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Arbitration case whose sanctions are to be enforced

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan 2

Sanction or remedy that has been violated

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan_2#Amended_Remedies_and_Enforcement

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy

Explanation how these edits violate the sanction or remedy at issue

This user was placed on 1 rv per week restriction in accordance with the ruling of arbitration case Armenia - Azerbaijan 2: , which was logged here: Despite this, he made 4 rvs on Moses of Chorene within the last 4 days, which is a violation of his editing restriction. After the first 3 rvs I warned him about the violation, and asked him not to revert within the next 7 days, to observe his restriction: Despite that, he reverted the article once again today. Clearly a repeated violation of his editing restriction.

Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction)

Block, since warnings are ignored

Additional comments

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

Discussion concerning MarshallBagramyan

It's true, I engaged in all those reverts but only because User:Dbachmann radically altered (mutilated, more correctly) the state of the article, inserted POV terms and slanted the article towards a certain bias, all without ever achieving consensus. He even changed the name of the article without achieving consensus and has resorted to insulting Armenian historians and dismissing their scholarly work with the childish excuses of "nationalism." I asked all the editors to discuss their edits on the talk page and to maintain good faith with the promise that I will help improve the article in coming days and just received impulsive reverts and more intimidating, racist, hateful insults from Dbachmann.

A more clear-minded and less-POV driven administrator would be preferable. He clearly is deadest on eliminating nationalism from Misplaced Pages which is a noble goal but I believe his rather hypercritical pursuits in doing so are making Misplaced Pages a less hospitable place to work in. Thank you.--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 20:08, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Result concerning MarshallBagramyan

Blocked for 2 days for the admitted violation of the 1RR sanction as well as for the response above, which violates WP:BATTLE, WP:NPA and WP:CIVIL. Should MarshallBagramyan continue to violate the sanction after the block has expired, I recommend a lengthy topic ban.  Sandstein  20:43, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Ayn Rand

72.199.110.160 is currently engaged in an edit war on the article in breech of Arbcom ruling here. The IP has been doing a lot of constructive work in improving citations, but has also been inserting material that other editors consider biased refusing to engage in any conversation despite repeated requests see here. More recently the editor has inserted a series of mini essays on objectivist philosophy. This has been discussed on the talk page here and agreement reached that the material is inappropriate. Despite this the IP has re-inserted the material here and here. The IP has refused (or rather ignored) all requests to discuss matters on the talk page of the article. Requests to do so on the IPs talk page have been completely ignored, including ones warning that failure to do so would result in the issue being raised here. This is a pattern that also occurred last December before the Arbcom ruling. The reversions are similar in number to those that earned variable length topic bans for other authors and are compounded in this case by a resolute refusal to engage in any discussion. Ideally the imposition of a topic ban or other penalty maybe the only way to get this editors attention. --Snowded (talk) 03:25, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Topic bans are social mechanisms, not software ones. If he doesn't engage in discussion odds are he won't recognize a topic ban. I would recommend a one to two day block to get his attention explaining that if he is going to continue contributing he needs to engage and not edit-war. TallNapoleon (talk) 03:44, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Given the users prior form I would be tempted to do both if it was my decision, however anything that gets the IP to engage would be appreciated. The advantage of a topic ban is that it enforces discussion as a social process and bans can then follow if the social process is ignored --Snowded (talk) 04:04, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

The editor's contributions to the Ayn Rand article and related articles have been overwhelmingly positive, and I do not think the cited behaviour can be characterised as edit-warring; they do not tend to make successive reverts, and make attempts to compromise with interlocutors. That said, their lack of willingness to participate in talkpage discussions is quite regrettable. Skomorokh 13:25, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Mainly positive yes Skomorokh, and for that reason I left reporting until they did start to make successive reverts against talk page consensus. Refusing to discuss changes on the talk page is just plain wrong and someone with some authority needs to tell them so.

I assume this section has been shaded in by mistake as no resolution is noted by the way --Snowded (talk) 14:38, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

The shading was a formatting error by me in Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Arbitration enforcement/Header. It is now fixed.  Sandstein  15:41, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

User is still not engaging on the talk page. Per ArbCom's decision we would greatly like some kind of administrative intervention here. TallNapoleon (talk) 06:42, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

I disagree. I reverted them today, referring to talkpage consensus, and they moved on without a challenge. Blocking would not serve any productive purpose, as all their lack of participation on the talkpage is doing is disenfranchising themselves from the decision-making process. If they start repeatedly reverting against talkpage consensus, we have a problem; til then, the article is improving as a result of both their edits and our discussions, and we ought to continue on this path. Skomorokh 21:55, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

There is an injunction on all editors to engage on the talk page Skomorokh, they have reverted on a 2RR already and in the past and the sheer number of edits is over wealming and while many are cited, some are "flavoured" as was discussed at one point on the talk page.. Many of them are good, some are dubious sources, some are opinions. Blocking may or may not be the right option, but someone with some authority needs to tell them to engage. Relying on reversals is to encourage edit warring. --Snowded (talk) 12:52, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

I fully agree with Skomorokh's summary of the situation. The injunction is to avoid disruption, and although some edits counter discussion slow things down, I'd say he/she has not been disruptive. Karbinski (talk) 18:13, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

and here we go again. Our IP editor makes this edit. Objections are made on the talk page and it is reversed. Part of the objection is the provision of "explanations" for any criticism. Shortly afterwards our non-communicative IP editor carries out a dozen edits which while not being a strict reversal are simply similar words to say the same thing are we have another example of edit warring. The IP editor is clearly pro-Rand so I can see why Karbinski would support him or her. I do find it disturbing that Skomorokh is tolerating or even encouraging an editor to refuse to take part on the talk page, and to whom communication is only possible by reversals of their edits. --Snowded (talk) 19:37, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

The content contributions from the editor are helping the article, there are plenty of "editing editors" on hand monitoring the articles.

Snowded is a continual "force" for ensuring any discussion devolves into a unconstructive mess. "The IP editor is clearly pro-Rand so I can see why Karbinski would support him or her" - is a full unambiguous attack on me as he is essentially saying "everything Karbinski might have to say or has said is POV and should be disregarded." How can constructive discussion follow? Putting editors on the defensive on the talk pages will always be more disruptive than a bonifide content contributer with poor wiki-ettiquette. Karbinski (talk) 14:17, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Karbinski, you are the one who started off this whole sorry saga by attempting to sneak Rand's definitions into Philosophy without acknowledgement and engaging in an edit war before your source was identified and your views "outed". Ironically if you hadn't done that then I (and other editors on the Philosophy articles) would never have come to the Ayn Rand pages in the first place. To say that you are pro-Rand is simply to acknowledge your own statements so I hardly see how it is an attack. I'm sorry but the whole arbcom process was designed to create a environment in which all editors discussed things and the IP is not following that process. While they just inserted references it was OK, but then we got the edit wars and no amount of friendly requests have produced a response. I see that Skomorokh has now placed a final warning on the IP editor's page by the way after the latest set of reversions. I don't see why one editor who appears to agree with your POV should be allowed to edit without discussion. --Snowded (talk) 14:45, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Everyone see what he did there? I'll provide the diffs for Philosophy article edits: first, second, third, fourth, fifth, and sixth. Karbinski (talk) 15:20, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

And the edit war discussion and the discussion on your failure to identify your sources (as well as links so some of your political articles here. In any event I see you are now happily removing criticisms without discussion on Ayn Rand so I think the position is clear. The desire of a small group of editors to remove or qualify any criticism of Rand, and to promote her ideas on other articles (covertly in your case) is one of the problems here. It eventually drives other editors away which is doubtless the intent. --Snowded (talk) 15:31, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Discussion here: , and edit here: Karbinski (talk) 16:58, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Full discussion here, hardly an "unconstructive mess" per your minor personal attack above. --Snowded (talk) 06:03, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Per the ArbComm ruling I would like to ask that we get some kind of administrator intervention to ensure order on the talk page. Just, please, if a couple could watch and help ensure a more civil environment that would be fantastic. TallNapoleon (talk) 19:00, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

ScienceApologist

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Someone re-posted content SA had written somewhere else, and it got reverted. Nothing to do. Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 00:21, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

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Request concerning ScienceApologist

User requesting enforcement

KP Botany (talk) 22:44, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested

ScienceApologist (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Arbitration case whose sanctions are to be enforced

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Fringe science

Sanction or remedy that has been violated

]

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy

Explanation how these edits violate the sanction or remedy at issue

Heck if I know, posting here will probably result in my being banned and insulted and targeted by arbcom members-especially the one who already has a personal beef against me. It's a question. God knows where one can ask questions.

Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction)

clarification -- is this allowed? or not? the article is dreadful, the rewrite is comparatively elegant and appears, upon first glance, to be rather well-rearched and outlined

Additional comments

notification , plus will post link to this after this is posted. --KP Botany (talk) 22:44, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

The requesting user is asked to notify the user against whom this request is directed of it, and then to replace this text with a diff of that notification. The request will normally not be processed otherwise.

Discussion concerning ScienceApologist

• It's quite simple: ScienceApologist has not been proxy editing. He's been working on an FA drive for the optics article in user space at Wikisource, with the consent of administrators at that project (myself included), and someone who was impressed with his work took the initiative to attempt to port it to Misplaced Pages without asking either SA or myself (SA's mentor) until after the cut and paste was done. I reverted the change, per GFDL, shortly after confirming with SA that he had not requested the import. There is nothing to enforce here. Durova 22:55, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

  It does seem to be an attempt to edit by proxy, in addition, because another user is discussing the article on SA's talk page. --KP Botany (talk) 23:16, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

  You my trust my assurance, as his mentor, that ScienceApologist did not request that attempted port. The discussion at my own user talk explains it. Thank you for your diligence, but SA did not proxy. Durova 23:27, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

  Others can decide, and let editors at optics know, and that will clear the way for the discussion at Talk:optics to focus on how, and when, if at all, the content can be used. The appearance is that SA is discussing the article with Misplaced Pages editors. After all, that's how other editors found out about it, to export it. It's on his talk page. --KP Botany (talk) 23:33, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

  Upon what basis could they possibly decide? Must he violate his siteban and refute you here himself? The port was a license violation, done in good faith but unauthorized. We seek to improve the encyclopedia in compliance with policy, and without disruption. This request is becoming counterproductive. Durova 00:06, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

• ScienceApologist did not make the edits here, and even if he jumped up and down at Wikisource begging for some patsy to post a vicious antifringe article here, he wouldn't be violating his ban. He gets to do whatever he likes off-wiki, though I suppose death threats would cross the boundary. He's done nothing wrong, he's worked hard on what appears to be an excellent article. If there is some bad source there, some hidden anti-fringe message, well, he's earned it with the excellent work, and the bad part will be discovered and fixed. In fact, KP Botany, if you want to do something useful, go to the article on Wikisource and look for problems. And fix them. If there is a bomb hidden there, you would do us all a service by finding it. If you have a problem with edits here, take it up with the editor who made them. I considered porting the page here myself, but I asked about it on Wikisource talk and was asked not to do it, because it should be done right, and someone who knows how to do it properly will do it, I presume. I am no friend of SA's antifringe agenda, and some of his supporters are currently agitating for me to be banned from fringe topics, but SA has done good work here, and it should be supported and recognized and not subject to harassment. The place to discuss the draft is on Wikisource. Alternatively, the proposed edit can be discussed at the Talk:Optics. But leave out the charges of meat puppetry and focus on the content. If there is some disruptive edit, then deal with the allegedly disruptive editor who made it, not a banned editor who is respecting the ban. --Abd (talk) 00:27, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Result concerning ScienceApologist

This section is to be edited only by the administrator closing this request for arbitration enforcement. Use {{discussion top}} / {{discussion bottom}} to mark it as closed. Nothing to be done (see top). Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 00:27, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Bov

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Request concerning Bov

User requesting enforcement

Jehochman 13:03, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested

Bov (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Arbitration case whose sanctions are to be enforced

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/September 11 conspiracy theories

Sanction or remedy that has been violated

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/September 11 conspiracy theories#Discretionary_sanctions

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy

and

Explanation how these edits violate the sanction or remedy at issue

Repeatedly violating WP:V and WP:UNDUE to add Truther propaganda to Misplaced Pages. Feigning ignorance of policy, after having edited here for more than three years, and been sanctioned previously for violations of WP:ARB9/11.

Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction)

Indefinite topic ban

Additional comments

Discussion concerning Bov

Firstly I request that, unlike some previous 911 ARBCOM cases, an uninvolved admin handle this case.
The first four diffs Jehochman provided are no more than the same two sentences with multiple references, consistently reverted by a group of editors with a particular POV, that refer to a peer reviewed paper on findings that are used by the major proponents of the controlled demolition theory to support their claims. The edit contains no OR, POV or comment and as such is entirely compliant with the article subject. At worst Bov has technically broken his revert restriction while those reverting the edit are possibly themselves guilty of a violation of the 911ARBCom. The last of the diffs is a talk page request for an explanation as to why the edit is being reverted. The only reply Bov is given to this request is "I have requested arbitration enforcement" by Jehochman who has a record of such POV behaviour as a first action in preference to either first warning an editor if concerned or answering such questions. This case needs to be viewed in light of the fact that the article name was recently changed from Controlled demolition hypothesis for the collapse of the World Trade Center to the more inclusive title World Trade Center controlled demolition conspiracy theories. Care should be taken to actually check the edits relationship to the article for the determination of good faith. Wayne (talk) 15:09, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

You risk a sanction yourself when making snide comments on this board. Who are you suggesting has acted inappropriately here? If nobody, zip it. Jehochman 16:43, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Comment Looking at Misplaced Pages:ARB9/11, Bov is already on an indefinite 1rr per week restriction for previous IP abuse; he's clearly violated this. Is there a reason his edits haven't been reported in relation to this restriction? Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 16:17, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

That too! Diffs above. Jehochman 16:44, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

I've blocked him for 48 hours. Having had a look at his contributions, I see no reason why this guy should be editing a popular encyclopedia in this area and plenty of reason why he shouldn't. Since he's blocked anyway I'll leave this just now to allow other admins the chance to give input on the new restriction. If nothing's added in the next wee while I'll impose a new restriction. A three month restriction has the benefit of keeping him around within CU range, but if no other admin suggests anything else, I'm gonna just make it indefinite. Cheers, Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 17:14, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

I see no reason to give him another (3 month) chance to be a disruptive element. He's been told, warned, sanctioned, and nothing has penetrated. It appears he is not motivated to work within Misplaced Pages's framework, but rather to disruptively promote his own views. I support Deacon's indef restriction. KillerChihuahua 10:36, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Result concerning Bov

This section is to be edited only by the administrator closing this request for arbitration enforcement. Use {{discussion top}} / {{discussion bottom}} to mark it as closed.

Indefinite article and talk topic ban placed. Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 08:02, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

• Bov has broken their ban. Could an administrator please issue a block. Jehochman 02:32, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

• Blocked for 24 hours. Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 03:43, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

• They've broken the ban again - evidently a longer block is needed. Hut 8.5 08:49, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

• Blocked for a week.  Sandstein  09:31, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Xasha

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Request concerning Xasha

User requesting enforcement

Biruitorul 04:25, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested

Xasha (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Arbitration case whose sanctions are to be enforced

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Digwuren

Sanction or remedy that has been violated

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Digwuren#Discretionary_sanctions

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy

Explanation how these edits violate the sanction or remedy at issue

Xasha is under a topic ban (issued here) prohibiting him from "editing Eastern European-related articles". Moldova is in Eastern Europe, so he has violated that ban.

Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction)

A topic ban already is in effect; I don't know what the next step would be.

Additional comments

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Discussion concerning Xasha

I don't think that this edit warrants asking for further sanctions at AE. Given the topic ban in October, it perhaps time to loosen those restrictions somewhat; it is draconian to place an indef ban on an editor editing in one area. --Russavia 23:43, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Result concerning Xasha

Blocked for one week. Xasha's edit at issue violates the Eastern Europe topic ban that is still in force. If Xasha thinks the topic ban is no longer needed, he should have appealed the topic ban, per Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Digwuren#Discretionary sanctions, instead of violating it; indeed, the administrator imposing the block indicated his willingness to review it at . Xasha may still ask for such a review as soon as this block expires. The duration of the block is in line with the duration of Xasha's previous blocks related to this area of conflict.  Sandstein  05:25, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

User:Jingiby and WP:ARBMAC

Jingiby (talk · contribs) has been on ARBMAC-related sanctions for ages, but he keeps "forgetting" them. Most recently, a revert parole was re-enforced on him, with 1rv/48h and an injunction of preceding each revert by an explanation on talk and 3hrs waiting time to allow for discussion (see User talk:Jingiby#Reverting). He nevertheless keeps making immediate reverts without prior discussion (though I think he does generally stick to the 1/48h part). The latest one was today, here: .

Since I am (again) the reverted party, I can't act to enforce the parole. Could somebody please step in (and remember this is a repeat violation.) Fut.Perf. ☼ 09:58, 15 April 2009 (UTC)