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Scientific evidence about thermite used.

article : http://www.bentham.org/open/tocpj/openaccess2.htm It's a respectable source, which states that it has found unignited nano-thermite inside building remains. This should be added to the article. I intentionally don't place this with the consp. theories, because it's a fact now. Whatever purpose it was, that's something for the consp. theories maybe. Marminnetje (talk) 17:24, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Conspiracy theorists have previously managed to publish material in a Bentham Open journal because the journal in question did not have a proper peer review process (see the archives of Talk:7 World Trade Center and Talk:Controlled demolition hypothesis for the collapse of the World Trade Center‎), so the source isn't credible. It's still a violation of WP:UNDUE to give the conspiracy theories anything more than minimal weight in this article. Hut 8.5 18:54, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

No one is going to sort through years of archives of discussion pages to find what you are talking about. You have not shown any evidence that the Bentham Open Journals do not have a proper peer review process, nor do you define what constitutes a proper or improper process. Please either reference a specific page with the discussion or repost the basic evidence for improper review. bov (talk) 02:29, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

If it has Steven Jones in it, it probably isn't that reliable. Soxwon (talk) 02:33, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Talk:7 World Trade Center/Archive 6#Reference to architects, engineers and demolition experts who disagree with NIST's theories and Talk:World Trade Center controlled demolition conspiracy theories/Archive 6#Engineering community again contain extensive discussions of Bentham and the review process or lack thereof. Please read those discussions before reopening it here. Acroterion _(talk) 02:40, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Conspiracy theorists? Why do you people think you have a right to put libel on these scientists? Source is reliable; it was carried by Raw Story, who is also reliable. In the terminology you folks use here, put up or shut up already. Huntdowntheconpiracists (talk) 15:52, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Raw Story? Reliable? No way. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 20:35, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Niels Holger Harrit Associate professor from Department of Chemistry , Copenhagen University is interviewed on TV_2_(Denmark) news, Denmark: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_tf25lx_3oCallmeMads (talk) 10:35, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Article in danish on the same in Politiken CallmeMads (talk) 10:59, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

YouTube is not a reliable source and I cannot read Danish. Anyway, there are plenty of English reliable sources so there's no need to resort to foreign language articles. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 13:48, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

No but YouTube is just a media, the source is TV_2_(Denmark). Just like Misplaced Pages is a media and thats why the contents should be properly sourced. Just because you can't read Danish doesn't mean that Politiken is not a reliable newspaper :). No matter how little danish you can read the status of Politiken as a newspaer is unchanged. If we had to only use sources from language we understod, we couldn't make many articles here could we? CallmeMads (talk) 14:39, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

this link is chosen not as a source, but just to show you the links to plenty of reliable sources in Denmark that has written about this: http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20090412143451291 CallmeMads (talk) 14:43, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

"No but YouTube is just a media, the source is TV2." Irrelevent. Since anyone could have uploaded the video, they could have altered it. This has been discussed numerous times on Misplaced Pages. Sorry, it doesn't qualify. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 16:08, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Why on earth is the mainstream peer reviewed article (from 9 scientists finding nano-thermite in the dust from the World Trade Center) not in this Misplaced Pages entry or this: http://en.wikipedia.org/World_Trade_Center_controlled_demolition_conspiracy_theories wikipedia entry? It's not even in the talk pages other than this conversation. What is going on Misplaced Pages? I have read that 'Misplaced Pages editors livid over new 'Active Thermitic Material' paper' and that the ruling elite of Misplaced Pages editors/controllers Misplaced Pages renames 9/11 controlled demolition page to a “conspiracy theory”

Here are a couple of links for interest:

• VIDEO: Kevin Ryan interview 1/6 - Active Thermitic Material Discovered in dust from WTC - 6th April 2009
• VIDEO: A danish scientist Niels Harrit, on nano-thermite in the WTC dust ( english subtitles ) - danish TV2 News
• THE PAPER: Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe, The Open Chemical Physics Journal, Volume 2.
• What you need to know about "Peer-review"

Has anyone else seen this video and article? It's kind of weird to think that the conspiracy theorist were right but now they have the scientific evidence to back up the explosion theories.They have found both ignited and non ignited nano-thermite and say there could have been anywhere from 10-100 tons of this in the WTC buildings to bring them down. They concluded it was not the planes that brought the buildings down but these secondary explosives that the govt swore did not exist. I wonder why we have heard nothing about this in the states but it's going all over the other countries...

• The Danish are taking this seriously like any independent news media should:
• 9/11 Media Breakthrough in Denmark

• JyllandsPosten: Researchers: Explosives in dust from WTC
• Videnskab.dk: Danish researcher: Explosive nano-material found in dust from WTC
• Videnskab.dk: Niels Harrit: Scientific evidence for old knowledge about 9/11
• Politiken: 9/11 conspiracy theories revitalised
• EkstraBladet: WTC mystery: Nano-thermite in the towers
• Ingeniøren: Research team claims to have found nano-explosive in the World Trade Center
• Kristeligt Dagblad: Dane resurrects September 11 conspiracy theory

What other decent news agencies are cerrying this story?

Other articles of interest:

• Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe
• The Young Turks with short entry about "Active Thermitic Material..."
• Well known "debunkers" submitted a paper for peer review and publication to Journal of Engineering Mechanics
• Visibility 9-11 Welcomes Chemist Dr. Niels H. Harrit

"911blogger"...that speaks for itself...odd...not a SINGLE news media has picked up this truly incredible finding...I mean, not even the BBC...not Reuters, not AP...none of them...Dr. Niels H. Harrit appears to have coauthored the piece with dismissed BYU professor Steven Jones...I can't find this info in any reliable source......instead, it is only found via CT websites like PrisonPlanet...man, one would think that some reliable source would want to report this finding! Instead, these guys had to pay 800 bucks I suppose to get their "research" published...beware a priori "scientists"....especially those that have been forced out by their universities (as has Jones) due to their wacky beliefs...it will fun watching this unravel after a proper explanation is provided.--MONGO 01:13, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Reliable news outlets will be tripping over each other to scoop this story if there is any veracity. Why don't we wait for them to publish it? That's what WP:V requires us to do. Jehochman 02:12, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

In addition to the Danish news Deseret News an American Newspaper has also reported on this. they may not have the circulation of the New york times they are a reliable source. It's interesting that that not a SINGLE News media has picked up this finding MULTIPLE entities have. I would love to see the new york times pick up this item but I don't think we have to wait for them either. Yes it is fun watching Tony0937 (talk) 02:25, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

I assure you that anything verifiable would immediately be picked up by major press outlets. If you want news about Podunk, you can use the Podunk Times as a source. If you want a source for events in New York City, you should not be using the Podunk Times. Jehochman 02:31, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Well, Deseret News qualifies...and it does report what (as they latter clarify on page two that Jones was "Essentially forced to retire"...wonder why) Jones and his buddies have done with their a priori research...so, as I tried to indicate, maybe this incredible find will soon be validated by non biased, non CT believing scientists that haven't been forced to retire. But here's the real fools gold...just think about it...the only way to cover up the use of thermite is to fly planes into the buildings...sure...that makes so much sense...lets cover up one massive conspiracy with an one that is infinitely more massive. I'm hoping that a real scientific journal will publish Dr. Niels H. Harrit and Jones's paper...now we have hope! Yup...I can see it now...there's the U.S. Government, masters of little...surely if they can coverup the manned mission to the moon, the Easter Island monoliths and Cydonia (region of Mars) they can coverup what really really really happened on 9/11.--MONGO 03:07, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

I suppose you think that was supposed to be funny. I think it is sad. If Bentham is not a a RS you should really take it up with Reliable sources Noticeboard Tony0937 (talk) 02:54, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Bentham not has passed reliable source mustard on the notice board. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 02:59, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

It's a fee based publishing system...the hope is that if an article gets in there, a reputable entity might wish to publish it...one that has credentials to worry about.--MONGO 03:07, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Some journals depend on financing through libraries, some depend on direct subsidies. Others depend on advertising. This one is financed by those who publish there, and in this case, the fees have, according to the authors, been paid by their respective institutions. That's why it is called an open journal. Regardless of financing, any journal would be wary to publish anything that would be bogus or easy to refute, because neither libraries not other authors would pay for a journal that publishes bogus research. Please have a look a the CV of the editor-in-chief of the journal, Prof. Marie-Paule Pileni. --Cs32en (talk) 03:37, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

This and this entry in Reliable Sources Noticeboard are "inconclusive". The argument that it's not RS because its "a fee based publishing system" does not hold water Whether the upfront payment model corrupts peer review at open-access journals Tony0937 (talk) 03:43, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Pretty speculative research...how surprising...lets see them get it published in a real journal. I got a bridge to sell ya.--MONGO 04:22, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Jones and co can maybe see if any of these are interested--MONGO 04:28, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Seems that one of them was (Bentham is listed) Also what do you mean with the link to grey goo or are you just being tedious Tony0937 (talk) 04:38, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

MONGO, rather than arguing with single purpose accounts, why don't you go request some more topic bans over at WP:AE? I've had very good success there. Article talk pages page are not chatrooms, nor a venue for playing the WP:ICANTHEARYOU game. We've explained policy to these folks. If they insist on pushing paid-for-press sources and obscure local papers in order to get their CT content into Misplaced Pages, I think it's time to end the discussion. Jehochman 04:43, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

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