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The prodigal returns

No, you don't want to look at your watchlist. Welcome back! Zora 18:07, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

How am I? Pondering the nature of conflict and debate, and noticing that some of us make it, or gravitate towards it. Trying not to be one of those people. Wondering how Misplaced Pages can screen out paranoid schizophrenics who write nonsense and then when it's deleted, get to have fun being persecuted. It reminds me of a Green Party meeting many years ago, which was invaded by a nut from the street who was allowed to lecture us for half an hour on why he was the rightful emperor of China. Anyone who protested this waste of time (like me) was told that we were suppressing free speech. SNARL! <^^^^^> Well, that ought to drive you right back into wiki-vacation. I rewrote the Islamic conquest of Iran article and so far have had no feedback. See what you think. Article probably needs work. Zora 22:32, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Looking....

I did'nt know you're a Admin. I've been looking for one as a guide that I can turn to from time to time. Actually,I'm looking for 4 Admin.s as guides. How else will I will be able to stay out of trouble, report it, NOT end up in it unwittingly ? I hope this is'nt a stupid question.Martial Law 20:05, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Paris Riots

What the...?! You've just reverted a whole lot of different things, including several typofixes, in the 2005 French civil unrest article with the edit summary 'unnoted vandalism'. I'm undoing that right now since I see no way of telling what was valid and what was collateral damage, and you're welcome to re-rectify the mistakes but I ask you not to throw the baby out with the bathwater. --Kizor 09:40, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

well, if you had given me two minutes I would have re-inserted the material I had reverted. As it is, I trust you will take care to remove the edits by User:Swollib. I figured it would be easier to revert and then re-add the good edits, but you are free to do it your way. dab (ᛏ) 09:42, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Okay, okay. I jumped the gun. Sorry. Honestly. In my defense, there was nothing to indicate that you were going to restore content. Sheesh, I need a break from this article, but I'll get on with undoing the damage I caused now... --Kizor 09:45, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

There. Going through a list of changes, fact-checking them one by one and reinserting most into an article busily edited all the while is not something I want to do again. I was not able to verify the number of vehicles burned (5600/5700) and the times of the energy crisis (1970/1973) and unemployment increase (1960s/1980s). The latter versions of all three were left standing. --Kizor 10:32, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

dont you think the page is better as a whole now without the political quotes standing over it?--Whywhywhy 13:09, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Found a link that purports to explain the "real' cause of the riots. the link is http//:www.infowars.com/articles/world/french_riots_engineered_by_globalists.htm[http://www.infowars.com/

 articles/world/french_riots_engineered_by_globalists.htm]

I do NOT know what to make of this at all. This link claims that the riots are part of the comming NWO(New World Order).

Forgot to sign this properly. My user Talk page has been attacked. what is the Misplaced Pages version of 911. It looks like a paint truck had hit it, and the syntax is a LOT smaller as well.Martial Law 22:39, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Transfer pixes ?

How do I place a pix on my talk page, like a MP-5 or a M-16 w/ the grenade launcher attachment ?

Got a wireless keypad. Martial Law 10:42, 8 November 2005 (UTC) :)

Barnstar awarded

For your persistent and much needed contributions to 2005 civil unrest in France, holding back the vandals and ranters, actively taking part in disputes on the talk page and uploading very handy maps (one of which is now on the main page), I, Kizor of English Misplaced Pages, hereby grant you this barnstar. Now if you'll excuse me, the right-fringers are back again... --Kizor 17:51, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Just got in..................

Just got in when I heard about the State of Emergency that is now in effect in France. The reason that I had said things related to the imposition of a State of Emergency,Martial Law earlier is, (1) ease the shock, (2) The US has had a similar outbreak just after Katrina hit, and after Rita hit, and it took a State of Emergency to quell the looting, other trouble that started. I did NOT mean to be "alarmist",etc. at all, just stating what could be expected in these situations. I do apoligise for any inconviences this may have caused. I've been around police and other security personnel all of my life, and they often "talk shop", talk about work,etc. That's what happens when you have kin in the military, one was even a MP. He's now a corrections officer, and he tells the lower ranks what to do.

One other thing, how do I place the pix of the M-16, other matter on my talk page itself ? Appreciate the assisstance, honesty. I do NOT often see that.Martial Law 00:07, 9 November 2005 (UTC) :)

Don't they have a award for...................

Do'nt they have a award for honesty in this format. How do I go about awarding this, if I find one ? Martial Law 00:11, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Thank you

Just a quick work of thanks for your support of my RfA, it finally passed today after a lot of mudslinging. I greatly appreciate it! Ramallite 03:56, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Hi

Dear Dab. You were really needed last week, when we were dealing with the most fanatic and blackest troll I have ever met. I have never met such a destructive mind before. Still, I am glad to see you around :-).--Wiglaf 20:58, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Possible Sock Puppeteer

I've found a possible report on another User's Talk page that a sockpuppeteer is, or was vandalising some material. The known account of this alleged sockpuppeteer is152.163.100.197. I'll get you the User names of the people involved in this.Martial Law 19:46, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

The person involved is HAJARS Martial Law 19:59, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

Re.Images

Your commentary IS why I need a guide in this format to AVOID trouble, not get in it unwittingly.Martial Law 23:18, 11 November 2005 (UTC) :)

Up for the position ?Martial Law 23:19, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

From WP:AN/I

Re: Changing my username

I am editing using the name Samivel. I would like to block my previous names but also credit my previous edits to Samivel (there are too many to lose). I understand I need to ask the administrators to block the earlier names so I will not be accused of sockpuppetry. But I also see that the procedure for changing one's username seems to be disabled. Is it possible to do what I'm asking?

First I was anonymous: 66.114.86.135 Then I was Arnold_Perey Then I was Aperey Aperey Finally I am now Samivel so my username isn't too close to my real name.

Thank you for any assistance you can give. --Samivel 16:48, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

   Turned User:Aperey (and talk) and User:Arnold Perey (and talk) into protected redirects to your current user/talk page. This should be good enough for your purposes.  ALKIVAR™ 19:51, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
   shouldn't these requests be signed with the old account as a minimal security measure? dab (ᛏ) 11:27, 11 November 2005 (UTC) 

I checked article contribution histories, and the fact that the user 1) admitted these were his previous accounts... 2) that these previous users had already stated the move (and had not been vandalized) I found there was significant grounds to believe this user and as such made the redirections.  ALKIVAR™ 02:37, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

Yo

Sorry, if I seemed at all offensive to you over Jean-Jacques Le Chenadec. I just felt strongly that the article desevered a chance to grow organically.Klonimus 09:01, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

Else Christensen

I saw that you added material I removed back to the Else Christensen entry. The links are non-functional and that is why I removed them. Also, I stated that it was ironic that she herself ended up in prison, when she has been working with prisoners much of her life. I also think it is ironic that she is portrayed as a national socialist when she herself was in fact persecuted by the national socialists. Do you want to hunt down your sources to fix the links, or shall I remove them?-71.116.133.72 18:07, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

Ancient Greek pronunciation

dab, User:Thrax is making it very difficult to progress on the article, as he continues to insert a marginal theory (that Ancient Greek was pronounced exactly like Modern) into it, claiming that this is the "Greek" theory (supported by Greek scholars) as opposed to the "Erasmian" theory (which for some reason he identifies with the English), but the only evidence he has is one article by a Greek theologian, Caragounis. Other editors have found good evidence that the leading linguists at the universities of Athens and Thessaloniki, each of them responsible for one of the two main dictionaries of Modern Greek, agree with the consensus international reconstruction of Ancient Greek phonology. Could you please help out? Thanks, --Macrakis 21:03, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

dab, thanks for your comments on my Talk page. I think we all agree on the substance here. The issue is how to deal with Thrax's persistent edits which contradict the other editors' clear consensus. --Macrakis 17:59, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Watchlist

May I ask what your watchlist looks like with 1000 pages on it? I have 65, and I already think it's too much. How do you use it? --HappyCamper 16:50, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your explanation! Maybe I'll try that one day too. I didn't even think of the possibility of watching obscure articles for vandalism. --HappyCamper 17:52, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

AfD

I rarely participate in AfDs, but this one has really saddened me: Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Interchanges on Ontario provincial highway 401. Is there anything else I can do you think? --HappyCamper 17:47, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Quantum mechanics

Your question on the reference desk (science) has really intrigued me. Are you a researcher in quantum mechanics as well? What sort of simulations were you planning on doing? This "many body" problem can mean a lot of things, so I am wondering what subdiscipline of physics or chemistry you are referring to. --HappyCamper 17:52, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Schleicher's fable

Thank's for another version. However, I thought I had a very very good sets of fonts to handle utf8 but there are now boxes with numbers in them on that page for me. What fonts do you use? --Kaleissin 14:30, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

My talk page has been attacked !

Can you examine my talk page ? It looks like it got hit by a paint truck.

Your block of Nixer

You may want to check this user's edits on Moscow. IMHO he turned the article into a mess, removing all the historical images uploaded by me. He is quite uncooperative, pretty rude, and doesn't respect the others' work. You may also want to check my comments about Molobo on Wiglaf's talk page. Cheers, Ghirlandajo 10:32, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Award, Molobo and Tolkien

Hi Dab and thank you for the lovely award! Yes, Molobo is extremely dangerous to Misplaced Pages and has to be perma-banned. Unfortunately he receives support from some Polish users who appear to use him like a kind of pet troll. I would rather someone who has not been involved with him start the RfAr on him, since he will be accused of personal attacks and of bias. You would be perfect with your experience and your not being involved in any of his revert wars. We should contact everyone who has been involved and deal with this balrog once and for all. As for Tolkien, I will absolutely start helping you next week. Best,--Wiglaf 11:16, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

The only reason why he has not already been perma-banned is because he is so extremely tiresome that he leaves people with no energy to file an RfAr with. You can contact my friend R.D.H. (Ghost In The Machine) who is in the know of several afflicted people, as well as NightBeAsT. It will be very very easy to find support for this.--Wiglaf 11:43, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Wilgaf why such attacks, I know that I have come in conflict with many users, but my edits are rarely wrong and I do engage in talk pages when the issue needs to be discussed. I will gladly give you sources and reference If you ask. I do understand that many German users as well as those with symphaties for German culture seem to be very emotional about inserting information about persecution of Poles in Germany or war crimes made by German units in WWII. However like I said, if you believe such information is false why don't we discuss it on talk pages. I may point out that i did enter correct information in articles such as : Wehrmacht

German_4th_Panzer_Division

German_1st_Panzer_Division

German_1st_Mountain_Division

German_8th_Panzer_Division

And others. If the information troubles you as incorrect, please addres the talk page. I may also point out that despite extensive information provided by contributors to many of such articles, information on war crimes was lacking, and I also changed the incorrect statement of Waffen SS Division Wiking lacking any mention of atrocities. While you opt for permabanning me is disturbing for me, since I know you only from your attempt to block me during my edits concerning German war atrocities and persecution of Polish people by Bismarck. I hope this is just a misunderstanding between you and me. --Molobo 13:35, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

You are most welcome.

It is just my way of writing about what I think is important and true.

maybe you can look this up: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=dugri+speak it is a very different style of communication from the one used in Europe or in Asia. Wish there was a wiki article about it. Zeq 09:58, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

I agree with you. But (and I don't mean this in a personal way now - just as an academic discussion) there is a fine line between Dugri speak (which tell you what i think or feel about your actions/words) and insults ot threats. I wish I could explain more. my level of english is not that great for such subtelty.

In any case help me understand what you mean by "strawman" - The only explanation I know is somekind of a draft proposal for a vote.

Got to rush out so off for now. Zeq 10:16, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Molobo's RfAr

Dab, I want to thank you for your interest in helping solve the issue. As for arbitration, this procedure evidently requires skills in English wordsmithship which I do not possess. For the time being, Molobo is a secondary headache to me, as her/his main forces seem to be on warring with German editors. Also, she/he lately suspended attacks on Russian articles, and there are much more serious and mature trolls - user:AndriyK, user:Andrew Alexander - involved in the Eastern front, which I concentrate upon fighting today.

The favourite target of Molobo's revert wars has been Russophobia, where he/she resorts to wide-scale blanking. I even suspect Molobo of impersonating me but this may have been someone else.

Even after the Gdansk/Danzig vote, she enthusiastically takes part in Schopenhauer revert wars and, citing that decision, attempts to replace Koenigsberg with the Polish spelling Kroliewiec in the articles on 16th-century subjects, thus inducing tedious edit wars .

She/he also instigated a wide-scale, albeit ultimately pointless, revert conflict between Polish and Russian editors on Smolensk War (history).

In the article on Białowieża Forest she spawned a revert war by declaring that Eltsin, Kravchuk, and Shushkevich were not "the leaders of the three East Slavic nations", because "East Slavic nations" is not a "legitimate" term but a Russian imperialistic concept. After intermittent reverting, the article was left in Molobo's hands, because there are serious concerns that it should be rewritten and moved to the proper English name.

As you may see, most of Molobo's attacks in the Eastern front happened from November 8 to November 11, but meeting strong resistance from East Slavic editors, her interest in trolling there seemed to wane, apparently in the well-founded hope that user:AndriyK and his cronies have a much greater potential of disrupting Russia- and Ukraine-related articles . --Ghirlandajo 10:56, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Intelligent trolls

Dab, you are certainly right that there evolves a new variety of nationalist trolls who not only disrupt the normal functioning of wikipedia but pretend to discuss their edits without contributing anything of value. You may want to check Talk:Russian architecture, the article written by me and protected from further attacks of Ukrainian nationalists after their repeated attempts to delete some sections. User:AndriyK and User:Andrew Alexander, in particular, resorted to libelling Wikipedians on external forums, copyright violations, fraudulent move votes, nightmarish revert wars, and abuse of wiki software to further their nationalist agenda. It's not for nothing that *every* of their edits - and there are dozens each day - end in being reversed by one user or another. You may read two summaries of their offenses at this page. We are poised to request for arbitration and hope you will comment on the issue at RfC.

J. R. R. Tolkien on FAC

Er, dab, did you notice my "Conditional support" of J. R. R. Tolkien on FAC? I really want to support, and assumed that the lead section would be a pretty easy thing to fix, even though I wouldn't undertake to do it myself. (I don't reckon I know the article well enough to be sure what the most salient points are.) I'm sorry if you've abandoned the nomination in disgust, it's a great article. Best, Bishonen|talk 17:47, 18 November 2005 (UTC).

Scythian languages

I don't know if you're interested in the Scythian languages, but I want to draw your attention to this article, maybe you want to check it out in the future. It mentions something about Scythian writing found on an axe or something. Alexander 007 18:52, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Re:PIE and all that

Well, Albanian is very poor on sources. This report and a phonetics table from University College London is all we have online. Of course Encyclopædia Britannica always helps, but apart from that, everything else is what I or someone else knows, for example how nouns decline. That cognate table was initially much smaller than it is now. I intended it to compare branches of the IE language family, one Baltic language, one Celtic language, one Slavic language etc and a few non-IE languages for comparison. From the moment I added it, it became an instant hit: other users started ading more languages and it has swollen up considerably. Bosnian is one example; who cares about Bosnian? Anyway, as you can see from the table, most cognates in other IE languages match except Albanian, I mean 'i ri' (new) and 'nënë' (mother) stand out from most other ones, even Sanskrit. Another example it 'Ati' (father); I suspect that this may be a cognate, as in πατήρ, pater or pitar (ie the t). I'm just guessing of course, but there aren't many sources on the subject. They all repeat the same old things about Germanic, Romance and Sanskrit as if they are the most important languages. Anyway, I have been called a troll before, so it's a common mistake. Rex 22:59, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

The incidents on AN/I and PIE are the direct result of my tendency of jumping to conclusions. As for the original PIE etymologies, they would be very difficult to locate. I suppose I may be able to find something in the University library, but I'm not a linguistics student, so if I found the title of an appropriate book, I wouldn't be able to reserve it. I doubt I would be able to find much online. Rex 23:20, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_adminship/Halibutt

Thank you for your vote and comments. Since you stated in your vote that user Radiant's opinons matters highly to you, and in case you are not monitoring the vote as closely as I am (being the nomiantor and all), I thought I'd let you know that Radiant has changed his vote to neutral.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 23:25, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

As Piotr continues to spam talk pages of other editors blatantly advertizing Halibutt's vote I dare say that I regret not having reviewed Halibutt's contributions earlier. I finally started this by reading Talk:Kiev Offensive (1920), in which I was amazed to learn about copyright violations on his part, and Talk:Battle of Wołodarka, in which Halibutt indulged in regularly deleting his opponent's comments, despite the latter's vocal remonstrances to the contrary. As these issues are hardly a month old, I believe further scanning of his contributions would have been instructive, although I don't have enough time for this at the moment. --Ghirlandajo 00:45, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

In case you wondered what copyright violation Ghirlandajo means, check my reply to his accusations at Enochlau's page. Halibutt 02:50, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Naming convention for Norse mythology

A new naming convention for Norse mythology articles is now up for a vote. Your opinion would be valued. I'm contacting you because you've commented on the issue in the past. - Haukur Þorgeirsson 12:21, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Recent controversies

Hello. I'm a rather old Wikipedian, even on en:, although mostly from various IPs and not particularly interested in Wikipolitics so far. Unfortunately Halibutt's case made me to show some interest in this matter.

My biggest concern is Ghirlandajo and his strange crusade. I'm certainly new in this topic but I have read his numerous accusations and responds for them - and I don't get his point. Not to mention his accusations (calling me a sock-puppet) without a substantial checking who am I (what is pretty simple, I guess) and some Molobo (who is he?) paranoia. that proves also that he is often fast - and wrong. Maybe it's that I don't trust users who delete not favourable edits from their discussion pages - but I consider it not only as rude and against NetEtiquette but as a nothing more than whitening and sweeping trashes under the rug.

For me this user is obviously biased. That's why your support is pretty interesting for me. If I have some time (I'm pretty busy and pretty in L.A.=) recently) I will try to check this according to talks controversial user's edits and make some overall opinion about him. Nevertheless I seem your support for G's action as a fight with suspected for vandalism users by letting them fight each other. It may be to some point effective but the effect will not be NPOV but POV of the toughest and most numerous ones.

I don't have to mention that it will only support biased, written by winners popular history reception in both Western and Eastern World, superstitions, false political correctness and other wrongdoings. In such cases I really regret that Misplaced Pages is not more expert-driven.

Best regards, aegis maelstrom δ 20:48, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

I'm awfully sorry - I don't have much time right now as I have a "real" work to do. But just take a look on fresh Ghirlandajo's POV redirect - Polish invasion of Russia - used in Halibutt's RfA discussion. Cheeky but misleading and eventually violating Misplaced Pages's spirit and untrue. I have just found it and inform about it on proper pages. Best, aegis maelstrom δ 23:40, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Aegis, your new outburst of hysterics seems to confirm my original suspicions as to your sockpuppetry. Why do you spam talk pages of other users instead of discussing the matter of Polish agression on Talk:Polish invasion of Russia? Your recent anti-Ghrilandajo crusade is as trollish as that of your friend Molobo, who you constantly defend. --Ghirlandajo 02:06, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

3RR

Just wanted to let you know that a 3RR complaint has been filed about you on WP:AN/3RR after investigating the article history it appears that there have only been 3 reverts so I am not going to block and replied as such on the listing, however please remember that one more revert and you will be in violation of WP:3RR and that talk page discussion works much better than revert warring. Thanks. Jtkiefer ---- 06:57, 20 November 2005 (UTC)