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Assessments heads-up

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black dude on russian money

whats the name of the man of african ancestry that was or is on russian currency? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.198.192.120 (talk) 03:57, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

I don't for sure - but Pushkin? This really isn't the best place to ask a question like this - it's better suited for the page on Russian currency. I hope you asked there too. But Pushkin was of African ancestry...--Levalley (talk) 16:32, 19 March 2009 (UTC)LeValley

Editing the categories for the Russian Project

First concern: when the category "Russian culture" is shown on the index page, it is weak. Culture is such a broad category that it's become a dumping ground for far too many unrelated topics. Second concern: Russian literature and Russian music both deserve their own categories here on this main Project page. I'm very surprised that they are not already there (Music and Dance could be one category). Then, we could start the work of adding the Russian project link to all the articles on Russian literature - most of which are badly in need of improvement (the article on Crime and Punishment, however, has been mentioned as an exemplary article for the 19th century project's literature subgroup; War and Peace has been called one of the worst articles on Misplaced Pages - I'm helping to edit that one, but it should be part of the Russian Project, for sure. Pushkin, Dostoevsky, Bunin, Tolstoy, Bulgakov articles need to be revised and maintained and linked to the various other parts of the Russian project (history and philosophy in particular). --Levalley (talk) 16:31, 19 March 2009 (UTC)LeValley

AssessorTags

Hello! I thought that I'd bring to your attention a new script which I have created, AssessorTags, which helps to add WikiProject banners to talk pages. The banner for this project has now been included in the script, so it may be helpful when locating and tagging articles. Documentation for the script can be found here, and if you have any questions feel free to ask at my talk page. Please not that I will probably not be watching this page, so comments left here will not be responded to. –Drilnoth (T • C) 16:40, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Most of these are just transliteration

It might be better to call the page: "List of Russian words used in English" There is something better but the title of this article makes the text seem redundant. I have been told many times that "intelligentsia" has no equivalent word in English and it requires a great deal of explaining. I would say it shouldn't count as an English word because most English speakers couldn't define it without studying Russian history/culture/language. Babushka's second example is a proper entry for this page but most of these words are just transliterated Russian words that shouldn't be called English words, they are just words in Russian that people pronounce differently in English. 76.15.43.243 (talk) 16:25, 20 March 2009 (UTC)ECT

Is this in reference to this list? If so, "English words" in that list are defined as words included into major English dictionaries (such as OED)—i.e., they are loanwords. Most of them are indeed just transliterations, but that's beyond the point. Also, if a word in the list is not included in any major English dictionaries, then it should be removed (as it would not qualify as an "English word" then).—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 16:32, March 20, 2009 (UTC)

Difficult article - project members' input appreciated

Hello proyect, I've put an article up at AfD which can be seen at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Guerrilla phase of the Second Chechen War (2009) (2nd nomination). I am hoping that project members may be able to bring some opinion to this AfD, as it clear that editors are confused as to what the "Second Chechen War" is. One of the latest hotspots is of course Ingushetia, but the troubles in that Republic don't have anything to do with the Chechens, or the Chechen War, but is the result of its own unique set of circumstances. Of course, it can clearly be said that the Ingush have taken some lead from the Chechens in their "fight" (this is easy to ref so it's not my opinion), but to say that this is the guerilla part of the Second Chechen War is OR/SYN -- even if sources mention the Chechen war, the Chechen war it is not, and no sources used in that article (or anywhere else for that matter that I can find) portray troubles in the Caucasus republics as an extension, albeit guerilla, of the Second Chechen War. If there is a better article for them to be placed in, it needs to be found obviously, but even then I am having trouble comprehending just exactly which articles, and also the extent as to what information will or won't be included. Anyway, as this article is within the scope of this project, other project members will also be aware of the happenings in the Caucasus region of Russia, so please provide input at the AfD page.

On a sidenote, Chechnya has for around 18 months had regular airline flights from Moscow. Firstly operated by Aeroflot-Don for a local Chechen company called "Vainakh Avia", but I think this has now been taken over by Grozny Avia who has daily flights to Moscow, with 2 additional weekly flights to Moscow, and 2 flights a week to Rostov-on-Don. Obviously the security situation in Chechnya is much better than one would have expected, good to see. I think I might do up a Grozny Avia article shortly. Cheers, --Russavia 20:28, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

The categories on the project page

What am I missing? Where is Russian art? Russian literature? Russian music? When I look under "Russian culture" - I don't see these there. Am I simply too tired to notice where these categories are?Levalley (talk) 03:54, 26 March 2009 (UTC)LeValley

It's all under Category:Arts in Russia. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 13:45, March 26, 2009 (UTC)

Template:Politics of Russia

One thing that is somewhat irking me is how Template:Politics of Russia is appearing on articles. It takes up a huge amount of space on articles, and considering many of these articles are not of great length, it creates huge amounts of white space, such as on Security Council of Russia. Additionally, I think that the space taken up by this template would be better off being taken up by prose and images -- we have an abundance of photos to choose from for these topics, and I think that photos are more beneficial than a template. Is there any objection from project editors if I were to convert this into a standard template which can be placed at the bottom of the articles, so that the article proper is used for encyclopaedic content instead? If there are no objections within a few days, or if there is agreeance before that, I will convert into a standard template and make the necessary changes on articles. --Russavia 19:20, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Is there any objection to this amongst project members? If none is forthcoming within 24 hours, I'll convert the template. --Russavia 17:13, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

I sometimes wonder how many of our members are actually watching this page. It sometimes seems merely an extension of yours and mine talk pages. Anyway, no objections from me.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 17:37, March 30, 2009 (UTC)

+1. As for the template, I'm for keeping it vertical, and only on the relevant articles on constitution and govt bodies. NVO (talk) 17:41, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

On that note, perhaps we should define what "politics of Russia" actually includes?—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 17:44, March 30, 2009 (UTC)

Do they exist, at all? Forget the title, the template outlines constitutional <D'oh!?> setup of the government, broadly defined. Rename it "Constitutional framework of Russian government", it makes things easier. NVO (talk)

I was wondering the same thing. Anyway Ezhiki, how are you today? Have a good weekend? :) If no objection, I'll do it then. --Russavia 17:41, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Actually, I'll hold off for now, we've got an objection :) Is there a reason why you have that opinion NVO? ;) I'm for getting rid of the vertical, as most of the articles should probably have an infobox in the top right, which will be able to include pertinent information, and as most of the articles are hopelessly underdeveloped (at the moment), the additional vertical template will only add tons of more whitespace to the article. I guess, in effect, isn't this another "navigational template" of sorts? --Russavia 17:46, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

An ideal candidate for an FL

Federal subjects of Russia is an ideal candidate for a featured list nom. ResMar 17:30, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

The list is definitely worthy, but what it needs is prose to get it across up to that standard. If nothing happens with it with other editors, I may look at it sometime in the near future. --Russavia 21:19, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

I had my eye on that list for quite a while. Prose is not a problem at all. If anything is a problem it's the maps—the ones currently in the list are kind of on an ugly side, and my skills are only advanced enough to produce a similar abomination (which would hardly be an improvement). Any takers for this task? The section on the mergers (especially proposed ones) could also use a major overhaul, although an alternative can be moving them to a separate article which would be linked to from this list.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 14:02, March 30, 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, no can help on the maps. I wonder if Bakharev is able to do them? If not, I'll ask Zscout or someone who I know has some expertise in this area to perhaps lend a helping hand with them. --Russavia 14:33, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Dmitry Glukhovsky

Hello chums, can a Russian speaker cast their eyes over Dmitry Glukhovsky and the sources used? --Cameron Scott (talk) 21:04, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

The first source is OK (I looked at the original Russian version); the second link is dead, and the other two are in English. Overall, not great, but OK for a starter article.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 14:06, March 30, 2009 (UTC)

Things we can do

Could some of the members of our numerous membership base please comment at Portal talk:Russia/Things you can do regarding how the "what you can do" banner situated at the top of this very page should be treated? Should we just worship it or is anyone planning on actually putting it to some use? Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 19:01, March 30, 2009 (UTC)

Awards in infoboxes

OK, another of my smart ideas (you tell me). If you look at Sergei Krikalyov you will notice in the infobox the Hero of Russia medal. Instead of clicking thru to the image it goes to the article, and the medal name is available by way of "alt text" and by hovering the mouse over the image. This is done by way of Template:Hero of Russia. To see how it looks on ruwiki, where they have been doing this for some time, check out ru:Крикалёв, Сергей Константинович. It looks good, it isn't cluttery, there's no long lists of awards in the infobox, and they appear how they would if they were wearing them on uniform, etc. To implement this here for articles within our scope, there will obviously be quite a few templates to be created, but this is all part of the process I guess. Would there be any support/objections to this format for awards in infoboxes for our articles? Opinions please. --Russavia 10:50, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

I know it's not constructive criticism, but... I don't like it. It's just too much work to go through each image and read the alt text. Infoboxes are supposed to contain vital condensed information which readers should be able to grasp on the first glance; this format hardly meets this requirement, unless you already know which little icon represents which award.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 14:31, April 6, 2009 (UTC)

Agree with herr Igels. I did some of these ribbon stunts in ru-wiki and it took more time than the text of an article... and still you need to re-check the appearance of the ribbons on different browsers and different monitor settings... and of course the proper sequence of all. One star says it much better. NVO (talk) 14:51, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

OK, that's the last idea I'll have for a while I think. Next time I won't say "you tell me" :D --Russavia 15:21, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

I actually liked the idea to put the awards the same way one puts them on the uniform. Would it be a good idea to create a subpage showing the awards this way with a possible link from the infobox? (Igny (talk) 21:51, 6 April 2009 (UTC))

Exact match is hardly possible as the template is not wide enough to fit five standard ribbons per line (ru-wiki template allows max four). Any wider it will take over the page on narrower screens. NVO (talk) 01:59, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Please peer review me wicked list

I have listed Ambassador of Russia to Austria for peer review, as I would like to take this to featured list nomination soon, but am looking for outside input on any improvements, etc which may be made to the article/list in order to improve it to give it greater chance of being passed. Please be kind, as this is my first time doing this, and it can be PR'ed at Misplaced Pages:Peer review/Ambassador of Russia to Austria/archive1. Welcome any input anyone may have. Cheers, --Russavia 18:24, 5 April 2009 (UTC) P.S. NVO, I took your advice and managed to work out how to make the tables the same width, and they do look a lot better. Thanks for that suggestion. --Russavia 18:29, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Template:Russian elections

There is edit warring on {{Russian elections}} over the inclusion of Soviet era elections in the RSFSR. As such articles are within the scope of this project, do were require such articles on the template? I think they should be, whether they were a sham or not is not reason to exclude them; being a sham could very well be POV in itself, as I am sure that communists do not regard them as a sham, and that would be covered within the articles. The only thing that I can think of to exclude them would be if there would not be necessary sources in order to build an article from. Although perhaps separating RSFSR from RF elections in the template may be in order? Anyway, what are views of others in the project on matters such as this? --Russavia 03:23, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Basketball

There is the page Russian Basketball Super League , and Russian Basketball Super League 2007/2008 . We need the page Russian Basketball Super League 2008/2009 . Help please? (LAz17 (talk) 06:24, 11 April 2009 (UTC)).

Umar Israilov needs help

Tendentious editing is going on in Umar Israilov, the short bio of a Chechen soldier who was killed in exile, allegedly for accusing President Kadyrov of human rights abuses. Kadyrov allies deny the charge. The article would benefit from impartial review. I thought some WP:Russia volunteers would be interested and well qualified. — ℜob C. alias ᴀʟᴀʀoʙ 21:40, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

The article has been added to the WikiProject and rated, but no one has responded to the peer review request. The article is short, but some sources are in Russian and need to be evaluated. — ℜob C. alias ᴀʟᴀʀoʙ 16:09, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Truce term

Can anybody help me please with what Russian children use as a truce term. A truce term is a word used to call a temporary halt to a game for respite for something like discussing the rules or tying a shoelace etc? Fainites scribs 21:24, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

While I haven't been to Russia for quite a while and it's been even longer since I was a child, I don't believe things have changed—no such term exists. If Russian kids need to call a temporary halt to a game, they would just use something generic, like "hey", "hold on", "wait", or "stop".—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 16:03, May 4, 2009 (UTC)

. I vaguely remember smth like "Четыре-четыре – я на перерыве". But I'm not sure. Beatle Fab Four (talk) 22:33, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Could you translate that for me? Fainites scribs 07:38, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Untranslateable. It's a rhymed pun centered on "I've interrupted whatever we're doing". It is also only tenuously connected with the question. Διγουρεν_{Εμπρος!} 13:49, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

This one: ru:Чур. Transliterates as chur. I'm not sure of etymology, but it might be a mutated form of 'truce'.

Also keep in mind that children's culture is not as interconnected as adult culture, and tends to mutate faster. While чур has lived on long enough to become established to the point of being mentioned in various game rulebooks, there are many other, less known and faster-waning words to refer to this concept. Διγουρεν_{Εμπρος!} 13:54, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

The Russian Misplaced Pages's page claims that it's the name of an old Slavish god, and its use in games refers to protection of that god. I find it dubious. Διγουρεν_{Εμπρος!} 13:59, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Related Estonian word is tsurr. It is unlikely to be the source, but the Estonian usage might be borrowed from Russian. It's also possible that both are loans from a third source, possibly Swedish or Baltic German culture. Διγουρεν_{Εμπρος!} 14:06, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Great. Could you come up with one of those rules of games books for the chur one? Does the russian wikipedia page refer to its use in games as well as the etymology? I'd love you to put a section and a source on the Truce term page. For the Estonian use, is it actually a truce term or the word for a 'safe base'? Fainites scribs 16:09, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Oh, hey, Fanites, you wanted rules of a game. I just remembered that, as a child in Moscow, I played a variant of hide-and-seek, where the spot at which the seeker counted off while everyone hid was 'home', and as he's searching for everyone, if a player can jump out of hiding, run to the 'home', touch it, and yell 'chur for myself', he's safe. And while you're home, if you can see someone jump out of hiding, and you know they aren't making home before the seeker gets them, you can touch home, point at them and yell 'chur for <Name>'. The goal of the seeker was to find and touch the players before they can be 'churred'. Not exactly a 'truce term' usage, more of a protective spell usage. --Cubbi (talk) 12:36, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Not off the top of my head, sorry. It's been more than a decade since I read about outdoors games in Russian. It might have been Zapletal's book's Russian translation (Zapletal originally writes in Czech), but I'm not certain, and I can't check it.

The Russian Misplaced Pages page is not very useful. The bulk of it is a copy from , which is a very laconic dictionary-style entry explaining that "chur" refers to a magical penis protection gesture and proceeding to a bunch of usage examples. The relevant example is this:

Чур меня! въ играх, не трогай меня, я в стороне. Чур меня от него! нвг. смл. не хочу его.

It could be translated somewhat like this:

Chur me! In games, don't push me, I'm out. Chur me from him! I do not want him.

I don't buy this etymology, either. Διγουρεν_{Εμπρος!} 21:07, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

The Russian Misplaced Pages page has interwiki link to the Ukrainian Misplaced Pages page, uk:Цур. That article appears to claim the word is an Ukrainian interjection which invokes an agreed-on restriction on touching, pushing or grabbing, and can also mean the invoker's desire to get rid of something. The article has the old god etymology; this time, his name is spelt Щур, transliterable as 'Scur'. Finally, the article ends by mentioning the phrase цур моє -- I think it translates to Chur me! --, and it appears to say it was once used as a magic incantation supposed to keep bad spirits away, outside the personal space.

Keep in mind that I do not really read Ukrainian, so I might have misunderstood something in this article. Διγουρεν_{Εμπρος!} 21:21, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

In Estonian usage, 'tsurr' is not necessarily tied to a location (although there are some games which do that). Instead, 'tsurr' is a status, which may be conferred -- depending on the particular game -- by performing a bodily manœuvre such as ducking, yelling the word (or one of its alternatives, some games have their own traditional vocabulary) or, in some cases, by entering a safe base. Notably, Estonian 'tsurr' is not a verb; outside the interjection form, one might say "Mul on tsurr" (I have got tsurr).

I was surprised to find that 'tsurr' is mentioned in a stenogram of Estonian parliament. Specifically, Andres Herkel's short speech from August 12, 2008 during the first discussion of the proposed statement about Russian Federation's military aggression against Georgia has these lines, in response to a question by Aadu Must:

Aitäh! Küsija loogika on väga huvitav, sest sellest lähtudes, kui algab sõjaline agressioon, siis just nagu seda sõjalist agressiooni ei ole, sellel asjal, mis toimub, ei olegi nagu mingisugust nime, me laseme sellel rindejoonel nihkuda kuhugi ja ütleme, et nüüd on tsurr!, nüüd peatume ja nüüd nii jääbki. Ausalt öelda, seda ma kõige rohkem kardangi, et Lõuna-Osseetia ümber võib tekkida mingisugune nn Venemaa Föderatsiooni loodud turvakoridor, nagu nad seda nimetavad, tugevdatud rahuvalvemissiooniks, mis sisuliselt seisneb teise maa territooriumi okupeerimises. Sellises seisundis rahu sõlmimine või konflikti konserveerimine on äärmiselt ohtlik, ebaõiglane ja tegelikult hävitab Georgia rahvast ja riiki.

Rough translation:

Thank you! The enquirer's logic is very interesting because based on this, when a military aggression begins, then it's like there is no military aggression, this thing that is going on does not like have any name, we let the frontier to shift somewhere and say now it's tsurr! and let's stop and now it will be like this. Honestly, that I'm afraid of most that there might arise some sort of Russian Federation's so-called security corridor around South Ossetia, which they call strengthened peacekeeping mission, which will amount to occupation of another country's territory. In such a situation entering into a truce or conservation of the conflict is extremely dangerous, unfair, and actually destroys the people and state of Georgia.

-- Διγουρεν_{Εμπρος!} 21:39, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Of the etymologies mentioned above, I think the magic formula to ward off evil might be somewhat plausible. If indeed there is such an old Slavic God, then naturally this magic formula might be related to him. However, I'd like another, independent, source to back it up before I could write this etymology down into Misplaced Pages. Διγουρεν_{Εμπρος!} 21:49, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

For what it's worth, Vasmer's Etymological Dictionary here and on the next page lists two main meanings of "chur": chur I meaning 'border', 'measure', and chur II meaning a protective or banishing exclamation. He lists about a dozen etymologies with references to respected linguists for both but rejects them all as unsubstantiated or incorrect. Of the more unusual suggestions for chur II I see someone relating it to the god Tyr, and someone even to Greek word χυριος (Lord). He also mentions the supposed deity Chur and says it's not proven either. I don't think we'll ever know. For chur I, I don't see Vasmer saying a big "no" to the suggested reconstruction to the PIE root sker (to cut), which makes it a relative of English 'score', but that's not the mystical-protective use of the word. --Cubbi (talk) 22:33, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

So is it a bit more than a truce term really then? A protection word? Or both depending on context? The english truce terms are very powerful in the sense that a child who doesn't follow them is pretty much unplayable with, but they are very specifically for a temporary respite only. Not surrender and not a 'safe base' word. Its often expressed as "I've got....". Like "I've got fains" instead of saying "fainites". 'Safe base' words are a whole other article!Fainites scribs 20:37, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Now you're making it sound like a safeword! I do remember that in some games, a player could say "chur I'm in a house" and would be instantly protected from any game activities until they make a step. I've also used it for ad-hoc changes to the rules "chur no kicking". It's a multipurpose word. --Cubbi (talk) 21:37, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Hi guys. Here's my two kopeks: 1) "Чур" has two meanings in modern Russian: one is essentially identical to calling dibs on an object, status or role ("Чур моё!" (dibs on ), "Чур я первый" (dibs on the first ), "Чур я казак!"), the other is an archaic warding word/phrase "Чур меня, чур!" (usually said while performing the sign of the Cross repeatedly) that has been mostly relegated to humorous usage and mocking superstition. I must also add that the Russian article is in shambles - it has an entry from Dahl's dictionary reflecting mid-19th century usage, with the rest of it heavily ringing of WP:OR. 2) The only Russian truce term I know was mentioned by Cubbi: "(я) в домике" (meaning "(I'm) in the house", usually with arms held crossed on the chest) used by little children in hide and seek or catch-type games to become "immune" when discovered or caught, in certain situations. --Illythr (talk) 21:49, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Infobox practices and original research

There is a discussion going on at Template talk:Infobox Russian federal city regarding whether determining the elevation of a city via Google Earth is considered original research, and whether poorly-definable figures such as metro area/population should be included in the infoboxes at all. Additional input there would most certainly be appreciated.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 14:48, May 6, 2009 (UTC)

Borki Incident

I created the request article Borki Incident last night. It could still use work, but it's a good start. LikeHolyWater (talk) 16:11, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

• OMG what a sorry anecdote... Borki crash actually occured in southern Russia (present-day Kursk Oblast Kharkiv oblast of Ukraine) where'd you get the Gatchina lead? I inserted interwiki, check the ru/uk versions. NVO (talk) 05:46, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Proposed merger of Sirin into Siren

See talk:Siren#Merger proposal Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:55, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Sofia Rotaru

For those interested, please see the talk page. Someone is trying to delete portions of the article.--Rubikonchik (talk) 21:57, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Enikeev

This article is up on AFD and we could use some experts to determine if it meets inclusion criteria. - Mgm| 09:35, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Dear web brigades

You're falling behind. An anonymous editor's insertion of "bloody Putin's regime" has stood for almost three days in the article about racism in Russia. I only noticed and reverted it a few minutes ago.

Please take care of such elementary stuff as vandalism patrol instead of just editwarring on popular topics. I know, I know, vandalism patrol is mindnumbingly boring -- but it's a necessary evil in Misplaced Pages. Διγουρεν_{Εμπρος!} 21:03, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Oh, and I almost forgot: somebody's got to go over Special:Contributions/213.80.170.74, which appears to contain other similar edits. Διγουρεν_{Εμπρος!} 21:06, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

The Misplaced Pages department of the KGB issues its formal thanks. It's probably this guy. He seems to wander about randomly inserting this kind of stuff as a manifestation of an acute allergy to the Plague, which he appears to have caught himself in the process. Sad. --Illythr (talk) 01:41, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Lost in translation ... Heritage registers

We have a

1. Template:Lang-ru , with >100,000 properties listed and some 50,000 more regional titles waiting for inclusion;
2. and also a far smaller and different ru:Государственный свод особо ценных объектов культурного наследия народов Российской Федерации, which includes both properties and living institutions (theatres, libraries etc.).

What will be a correct, unambiguous English translation for both of these terms (both appear in the same article on #1). NVO (talk) 16:27, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

• Project-Class Russia pages
• NA-importance Russia pages
• NA-importance Project-Class Russia articles
• WikiProject Russia articles with no associated task force
• WikiProject Russia articles
• Misplaced Pages pages with to-do lists