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Parental alienation

• Please note that pages must be based on reliable sources; this means requiring editorial oversight, ideally peer-review.
• Pages must also not be coatracks - they must discuss the topic of the page, and not the topics of other pages (in this case, parental alienation should not extensively discuss parental alienation syndrome).
• Note as well that the links from the Canadian Children's Rights Council may be copyright violations, and accordingly should be used with care if at all. They are also sufficiently partisan that they are probably not good convenience links.
• Per WP:MEDRS, we are urged to link to the studies themselves, not the discussion of studies in popular sources.

If you are aware of or have access to scholarly sources on parental alienation that are not substantively about parental alienation syndrome, please expand the page with them. Also note that I have left a rationale for my removal on talk:parental alienation, please discuss there and achieve consensus before reverting (see WP:BRD for more information). WLU (t) (c) Misplaced Pages's rules:/_complex 18:16, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

The "further reading" links you are putting in have the same problems - about parental alienation syndrome, not parental alienation, and from a nonscholarly advocacy group. WLU (t) (c) Misplaced Pages's rules:/_complex 18:19, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Please note that vandalism is a deliberate attempt to worsen wikipedia, while my edits are an attempt to maintain scholarly tone, avoid coatracks, maintain neutrality, avoid unreliable sources and copyright violations, and adhere to the manual of style. Please do not refer to this as vandalism and please engage on the talk page before reverting again. WLU (t) (c) Misplaced Pages's rules:/_complex 18:22, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Three revert warning

Please note that you are nearing the three revert limit. Continuing to revert without engaging in discussion can result in your editing privilages being revoked. Please address my points on the talk:parental alienation page before reverting again. Misplaced Pages requires consensus rather than brute force. WLU (t) (c) Misplaced Pages's rules:/_complex 18:37, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Please note that every single link you added in your most recent edit was to a dead page. Please discuss the links on the talk page before re-adding them. I have stubbed the page, pending reliable sources discussing the topic; fortunately Bala's 2009 article does seem to discuss parental alienation and not PAS alone, and when I track down the paper I'll expand the page based on it. WLU (t) (c) Misplaced Pages's rules:/_complex 18:41, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Unless there is something wrong with my browser, those links are dead and should therefore be removed. I can't even evaluate the topics they are about, because they go to dead pages. Accordingly, please remove them. WLU (t) (c) Misplaced Pages's rules:/_complex 18:45, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

I have fixed the links, but several are still clearly inappropriate

• the first is not a reliable source, it is an opinion piece from a highly partisan site
• the second, third, fourth, fifth and seventh are about parental alienation syndrome, not parental alienation, and should not be on this page. They are inappropriate as external links for a variety of reasons - WP:ELNO points 2 (CCRC is very partisan and contains opinion pieces about PAS that are not reliable or scholarly on a topic that should have scholarly information), I would argue 4 as they are mainly to promote CCRC and CCRC's ideas about PAS (and again, not parental alienation), 13 (they are not about parental alienation, they are about PAS), also violating WP:ELYES - they are links to an organization that is far from neutral and accurate.
• the sixth could be linked, but again it is to an unpublished (and therefore unverifiable) scholarly paper that is not yet out, it is not a secondary source (tertiary at best) and contains all the other flaws of the CCRC links - partisan, not neutral, possibly a WP:COPYVIO. These pages should not be linked. WLU (t) (c) Misplaced Pages's rules:/_complex 18:57, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Note that you are now at your three-revert limit. 1, 2, 3, 4, and if you revert one more time, I will report you to the three revert noticeboard and you will be blocked from editing. WLU (t) (c) Misplaced Pages's rules:/_complex 19:19, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

You are now at the three-revert limit for parental alienation syndrome. Misplaced Pages is not here to promote or raise the traffic of a website. Please do not revert again or you will be reported to WP:3RRN and blocked. WLU (t) (c) Misplaced Pages's rules:/_complex 19:16, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Stop

• You are not an expert and even if you were, your opinion is not sufficient to change the page
• You are removing verified information from reliable sources with no consensus and no reasoning
• You are adding inappropriate convenience links which you know are problematic and several editors have pointed out should not be used
• You are not using the talk page and simply edit warring]

Stop what you are doing, you will almost certainly be blocked just for what you have done to date; by stopping now you will show good faith and civility for experienced, long-term contributors. WLU (t) (c) Misplaced Pages's rules:/_complex 19:37, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Your insistence on inserting the Canadian Children's Rights Council links to news stories when they are not necessary and in fact inappropriate is spamming of an external website that has more to do with promoting their page than it does with improving wikipedia. The CCRC is a biased source that inappropriately pushes a single veiwpoint and suggests unwarranted interpretations on its readers. You know this, because I pointed it out yesterday regards parental alienation, yet you persist in shoving them onto the page. Is there a reason you think restrictions on convenience links would apply to one page but not the other? Including external links to news stories is not necessary and for a scholarly page, rather inappropriate. Including links that contain blatant advertising for a highly partisan group is even less appropriate. Sources do not need to be linked, and should not be linked when it results in an inappropriate external page showing up on wikipedia. You are also reverting to a version which removes verified information published in reliable sources, with no good reason and clearly against consensus, and you have never engaged on an article's talk page about any of the issues raised. You are making claims that the sources suggest are clearly undue weight. You are pushing for the summary of a study that is not yet published, when the summary is provided by the same site that was held up as inappropriately biased in several venues, while removing the link to a functioning respected news source. You are describing the summary as "a study" when it is very obviously not. You are shoving, repeatedly, without reason, a series of highly problematic links onto the page and claiming the support of policies you don't understand. So stop. WLU (t) (c) Misplaced Pages's rules:/_complex 20:03, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

You are deleting links to citations stating "link to citation not working any more" - the study was never linked, and we do not need to link it. It is up to you to demonstrate that the citation does not support the point. You have completely failed to assume good faith or in any way treat other editors with anything but contempt. I am getting increasingly irritated at your failure to take any advice or even review your actions, and by your blatant push of a single interpretation of events and removal of sources that contradict that interpretation. But I don't think you'll listen to anything I say anyway, so I'll just wait until you are blocked then undo the damage. WLU (t) (c) Misplaced Pages's rules:/_complex 20:07, 20 May 2009 (UTC)