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Gragg

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

Request concerning Gragg

User requesting enforcement

Grandmaster 05:38, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested

Gragg (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Arbitration case whose sanctions are to be enforced

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan_2

Sanction or remedy that has been violated

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan_2#Amended_Remedies_and_Enforcement

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy

Just one example of edit warring on one article:

Explanation how these edits violate the sanction or remedy at issue

The contribs of Gragg (talk · contribs) almost exclusively consist of page move wars on AA articles. Please check his contribs:

Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction)

revert restriction, page move ban.

Additional comments

Gragg was repeatedly warned of edit warring (check his talk page), including a warning with a link to arbitration case Armenia-Azerbaijan 2 a year ago: No signs of stopping.

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

Discussion concerning Gragg

• Yes, Gragg has been move warring. I'm inclined to grant this request unless persuaded otherwise by Gragg's reply.  Sandstein  06:11, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
• Agree, that's move warring;a ban against page move and revert restriction seems completely appropriate. Shell 03:20, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

I am completing Grandmaster's report by presenting you the other user whom Gragg is move-warring with. Note that there was a CU request in the past on Baki66 which was unanswered as well as a report here. Either users should discuss on the appropriate name usages for articles or refrain from this senseless move war. Thanks. - Fedayee (talk) 03:30, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, Fedayee. I've warned him about the arbitration case. We can't sanction him now because he does not seem to have been warned previously.  Sandstein  05:26, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

(Copied from User talk: Sandstein:) About Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#Requests for enforcement, complain on me, Gragg. I badly know English, and mostly edit Russian Misplaced Pages. I do not know where discuss rename the article in enwiki.

As far as I know, articles about the geographical object in Nagorno-Karabakh should be named, as they named in 1988, until war. I watched several of these articles (in ruWiki) and saw that the name of the some English articles do not satisfy this rule. So, I have to rename them. But my change was removed Baku66, аnd other members warned him for breach of Misplaced Pages:Neutral point of view: .

Please do not deprive me the possibility to rename the article. I am ready to discuss the names of those articles. Gragg (talk) 13:03, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Result concerning Gragg

A sanction is appropriate here because Grag continued move-warring in spite of warnings. If one does not speak English enough to participate in discussions, one should not edit the English Misplaced Pages at all. For advice on how articles should be named, see WP:MOSNAME.

Gragg is sanctioned as follows for six months each with respect to pages relating to Armenia or Azerbaijan, broadly defined:

• He is banned from moving such pages, but may propose or discuss moves on discussion pages.
• He is banned from making more than one revert per page per seven-day period.  Sandstein  05:39, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Offliner

Attention: This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.

Request concerning Offliner

User requesting enforcement

Biophys (talk) 14:29, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested

Offliner (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Arbitration case whose sanctions are to be enforced

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Digwuren

Sanction or remedy that has been violated

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Digwuren#Discretionary_sanctions

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy

*unilateral deletion of an article

• 1.unilateral deletion of an article and again, and again, and again, and again
• 2.unilateral deletion of an article
• 3.unilateral deletion of an article
• 4.deletion of sources and sourced text in the same article
• 5.removal of sourced text, and again, and again
• 6.indiscriminate deletion of links
• 7.deletion of links to publications by the person described in BLP, and again, and again, with offensive edit summary
• 8.removal of links to commentaries by the person described in BLP, deletion of other sourced information in the same article
• 9.deletion of good links
• 10.removal of good links
• 11.removal of soured and relevant information
• an offensive suggestion by Offliner at my talk page
• Endless block shopping and personal attacks by Offliner . , , ,but he still believes he never started baseless threads

Explanation how these edits violate the sanction or remedy at issue

Sustained edit warring, unilateral deletions of whole articles and materials this user does not like, no matter how well the materials are sourced. The materials are on Russian/EE subjects.

Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction)

topic ban, RR restriction

Additional comments

He was warned many times by users with different political views and by an uninvolved administrator:

• 12.by Russavia
• 14.by William M. Connolley
• 15.by me (unilateral deletion of articles), and again
• 16.by Peltimikko

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

here

Discussion concerning Offliner

• 1: This article was created by Biophys by cutpasting material from an old version of Web brigades (a version he had reverted many times to; many people had edited and improved the article after that version.) I don't think such behaviour is acceptable and to me it was a clear POV fork.
• 2-3: Same story. Biophys created the articles by cutpasting material from an earlier version of Russian apartment bombings. Also clearly a POV fork.
• That I said, I think doing edits 1-3 was clearly a mistake on my part. I should have been more patient and used speedy deletion or AfD instead. 1-3 are months-old now, and I won't be doing similar things in the future, now that I have more experience and more knowledge of the Misplaced Pages policies.
• 4: the first one is a deletion of a link farm per WP:EL, I don't see anything wrong about that. The second one is a content issue, as explained on the edit summary.
• 5: is again a content issue, discussed on the talk page and edit warred over by all sides. Both me and Biophys were blocked for this later.
• 6-7: are link farm cleanup. According to WP:EL, "long lists of links are not acceptable." If they are useful at all, the links should be used as sources instead. About the last one with the "offensive edit summary": as stated in the edit summary, I had already explained my argumentation on the talk page, yet Biophys kept insisting that I had not.
• 8-10: are again link farm cleanup. I really don't know what this has to do with WP:DIGWUREN sanctions. I know that there are many other users who agree with me that EL sections should be kept at minimum, links that are useful should be used as sources instead and not as ELs; the selection of links should be balanced and justification for every link should be given if requested (this was not done by Biophys.)
• 11: is a content issue, discussed thoroughly on the talk page.
• 13: this "warning" is cherry-picked. Please also read the follow-up by Connolley (he agreed with my report and blocked Martintg for edit warring after made it more clear why 3RR was broken.)

I admit that 1-3 were impatient solutions and that they were wrong. 5 was also stupid (although many other users agreed with me that the section does not belong in the article) and I was already punished for it by User:Nakon. The others are simple content issues and link farm cleanups, and I don't see anything wrong with them. Offliner (talk) 15:26, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

With heavy heart, I must endorse this arbitration request, and add another incident. In , Offliner is clearly assuming bad faith. Polling is a normal part of Misplaced Pages's editorial process; disrupting polls based on who initiates them can't be constructive. Дигвурен Дигвурович_Аллё? 15:59, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

• Response. Here is the problem. Offliner does not want to follow WP policies.

1. It was explained to him that he should nominate an article for deletion or to mark it for merging discussion if he thinks the article is a content fork. But he countinued unilateral deletions of articles when his suggestions to move or rename the articles were not supported like here and here
2. He simply does not want to seriously discuss merging/deletion at article talk pages, for example here, here, and here and continue his unilateral deletions. On other issues, I asked if he needs direct citation; he did not reply and simply continued his removal of links and reverts.
3. The instruction about WP links tells which links should be included and which links should be avoided . However, he simply removed everything. That was explained to Offliner by Alex_Bakahrev and me many times but Offliner ignored explanations and continued doing the same, without replying at the talk pages: , , , .

Offliner is fully aware of Digwuren case sanctions, as he reported Digwuren to ANI Biophys (talk) 16:23, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

• Comment: I find it strange that all the diffs in the evidence section are more than a month old, this for an editor who made 500 edits only between May 29 and June 18. The actions taken by the community shouldn't be punitive, but preventive... what's to prevent when all Offliner's supposed breaches of the arbitration decision date before May 10 (save one from May 28, which look likes a simple content dispute), considering that Offliner is a heavy contributor to Misplaced Pages. Also, some of the articles concerned are mind-blowing, and their editorial content seems strongly against Misplaced Pages policies ( Evidence of FSB involvement in the Russian apartment bombings ??? , what's next Evidence that the US didn't land on the Moon? ; in Russian influence operations in Estonia a comment from a secret service report was transformed in a full-fledged article, even with the utter lack of such topic in the scholar (and non-scholar) media; Internet operations by Russian secret police, while a reasonable topic, includes such ludicrous sections as details about a contact phone number placed on the website of a Russian intelligence agency). As for the supposed assumption of bad faith, it seems merely a statement about a state of fact. The ArbCom recently acknowledged that blocs of editors do exist, and the AfD of two of the concerned articles ( here and here) suggest that there are two blocs of editors in this topic (one which favors articles with allegations about supposed negative actions by Russia, and one which disfavours them), with minimal external involvement. Considering these, a topic ban at the current time could only show disapproval of Offliner's editorial opinions, without making Misplaced Pages better, just making it more prone to systemic bias. Anonimu (talk) 17:28, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

• Comment In accord with what Anonimu said earlier, in order to have an unbiased review of this case, you have to discard with prejudice all the endorse votes from the bloc of editors (Biophys, Digwuren, Colchicum, Elysander, to name a few) who have systemically harassed Offliner for quite a while. You can also safely discard all the votes from the opposite bloc (Russavia, HistoricWarrior to name a few). The case may have wide implications in the future (see also the AE report against Biophys below) and it is actually a part of the bigger picture, a battle on Misplaced Pages raged over the Eastern Europe's pre and post- Soviet history. (Igny (talk) 17:44, 18 June 2009 (UTC))

• Comment - I agree with Anonimu and Igny. Having closely observed Offliner's conduct over the past month, it's obvious that he has not engaged in any "unilateral deletions" (which were supported as removals POV forks by other users, anyway) since at least the date given by Anonimu. Hence, one has no ground to bring this here at all regarding remedying things through preventive sanctions. Otherwise, venues such as WP:AE descend into methods of blocking legitimate content opponents without due cause, as from all indications appears to be the rationale here. This is backwards justice. At the same time, User:Biophys seems to have recently arrived at a spurt of interest in blocking an opponent...Offliner...Beatle Fab Four...well, pick any one you like. What this smacks of is an instance of such blockshopping (every one of his opponents has even been accused of being a sockpuppet at some point) against an editor after a prolonged attempt to bait an opposing party with numerous content forks. PasswordUsername (talk) 19:04, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

• Between the fact that many of these diffs are aged (some even more than a month) and the case is greatly over stated (i.e. "unilaterally deleted" when the edit was actually turning a fork into a redirect) I don't see anything here in need of sanction. Offliner has already indicated that s/he recognizes that some decisions were made too quickly and served a block for the edit warring. As a side note, if I were to hand out sanctions here, I'd be very tempted to restrict the reporting party for combative behavior/edit warring as well. Shell 03:37, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Result concerning Offliner

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Biophys

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Request concerning Biophys

User requesting enforcement

Offliner (talk) 17:27, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested

Biophys (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Arbitration case whose sanctions are to be enforced

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Digwuren

Sanction or remedy that has been violated

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Digwuren#Discretionary_sanctions

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy

*1. Edit warring and article ownership at Web brigades. Observe the repeated reinserting the section "poland", etc.

• 2. More edit warring at Web brigades. Massive reverts to an old version. Observe the persistent restoring the section on poland ("Russian "Internet brigades" reportedly appeared..."), etc.

• 3. Creation of POV-fork Internet operations by Russian secret police
  • comparison: old version of Web brigades: . Internet operations by Russian secret police:.
• 4. Edit warring and article ownership at Russian apartment bombings

• 5. More edit warring at Russian apartment bombings. Obverse reinsertion of "attempted bombings", etc.

• 6. Edit warring and article ownership at Alexander Litvinenko, observe removing "alleged career at MI6",etc.

• 7. More edit warring at Alexander Litvinenko, including massive reverts to an old version. Observe, for example, removal of chapter "allegations" and material from it, e.g."zyberk".

Explanation how these edits violate the sanction or remedy at issue

It should be easy to see from the diffs that Biophys has been persistently edit warring, and that this is a bad case of article ownership. Biophys is often reverting to a months-old version, undoing a large number of edits done by different editors in the process.

Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction)

Block for edit warring and a topic ban on Russia-related subjects.

Additional comments

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

Discussion concerning Biophys

• Response.

Some of the diffs (web brigades) are dated 2008. All others are two months old.

• 1. and 2. (web brigades). I inserted sourced text deleted by Russavia and Offliner. My edits are fully explained at article talk page.
• 3.(Internet operations). This is a different and a wider scope article. Please compare current versions of these articles. They are completely different.
• 4 and 5. (the Bombings) This is a content dispute (see talk page of the article). I can explain all details if asked. One of key points: Offliner inserts a conspiracy theory about non-existing "Liberation army of Dagestan". It is true that Offliner and me were blocked for editing this article. Since then I did not edit it.
• 6. I removed some consipracy theories about Litvinenko. That was a content fork to article Alexander Litvinenko assassination theories. I created latter article to remove dubious materials from main article. They were reinserted back by certain POV-pushers.
• 7. I created a compromise version of article Alexander Litvinenko as explained at this article talk page. Everything was reverted back by Russavia and Offliner. They reverted me right in the process of editing. I tried to use "Inuse" template, but I was told that they will always revert me right in the process of edit:

As about my future plans, I am going to edit much less on controversial Russian subjects - this is simply impossible anyway with the group of Russian editors who enforce their POV by reverts and complaints (see below). I will also try to stick to 1RR.

Yes, I asked an advice from Colchicum being unsure about reporting this. Finally, I decided to report, mostly to let everyone know about the persisting problems in the "Russian sector". I am not sure if something can be done about this, but it is better to go public and perhaps receive an appropriate advice.Biophys (talk) 19:09, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

• • (In response to now deleted comments about coordination by Biophys) The coordination here seems to involve members of your party. Continuously recoursing to use of the victim card on this note is getting very old, I really think. PasswordUsername (talk) 19:53, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
    • Where did I play a victim? There is no any "Party". I do not like Parties after living under the Communist Party. I also do not work for Berezovsky as Offliner suggested (see last of my diffs in request about him).Biophys (talk) 20:16, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
      • "Party" is just another way of saying "group." That's where the political sense of the word comes from - OK? PasswordUsername (talk) 21:53, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Wow. That was fast. Weren't black books found problematic in an earlier ArbCom ? Дигвурен Дигвурович_Аллё? 17:36, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Aren't you assuming bad faith? If you have any evidence of such "black book" you should present it. As for the evidence presented, it has the some problem as Biophys' above: if the last occurrence of problematic behaviour is weeks old, why was the behaviour brought to administrator scrutiny only now? I understand bringing old evidence when problematic behaviour escalate. But why do it when there's no recent disruption of Misplaced Pages? Content disputed are not solved by trying to get rid of the other side.Anonimu (talk) 17:48, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

The last diff is from 8 June. The behaviour described in the diffs has been going on for a long time; there is no indication that he stopped for good 10 days ago. There have been other breaks, but afterwards the edit warring has presumed. I only want the admins to examine the diffs and take whatever action they think is best. Offliner (talk) 17:55, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

This comment by William M. Connolley is of possible interest. Дигвурен Дигвурович_Аллё? 18:01, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Please also read the follow-up by Connolley: . He accepted the report and blocked User:Martintg after I provided more evidence. Offliner (talk) 18:08, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

• Biophys has a strong POV and he relentlessly removes sourced material from articles that does not conform to it, as always, substitutitng frivolous edit summaries, hijacking Misplaced Pages to be used as a WP:SOAPBOX for his own views. The inanity of his edit summaries whenever Biophys removes sourced data is such that it can serve no purpose other than to exhaust the patience of Biophys' content opponents:
• - Biophys deletes sourced content by historian Arno Mayer.
• - Biophys deletes sourced content by Mayer without providing any reason again, asking to "discuss" on talk page. He does not justify this on Talk page himself.
• Biophys twice reinserts inaccurate information which is dismissed at talk as not connected to the content of the article–without even bothering to look at the Talk page. When Beatle Fab Four reverts asking him to see talk, Biophys tries to canvass for a block of Beatle Fab Four at User talk:Colchicum. Administrator Alex Bakharev tells Biophys to stop antics like that, as he did not even bother to consult the talk page.
• - Biophys removes sourced material about the politics of controversial Russian opposition leader Kasparov, claiming "undue weight for biography of a world chess champion."
• - Biophys reverts "per talk" without adding anything to the talk page after three others engage in a heated discussion.
• Biophys insists on retaining one sentence of nonsense removed in good faith by an IP.
• - Biophys is warned by Viriditas to stop inserting nonsense into the Human rights in the United States article while ignoring the changes that take place on the Talk page.

PasswordUsername (talk) 18:10, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Comment, WP:AE shouldn't be used as a means for getting the upper hand in content disputes, as appears to be the case here. Biophys attempts to provide a neutral viewpoint (via published sources) that contradicts the particular viewpoint (which could be described by some as pro-Kremlin) promoted by those calling for his sanction here, and thus he is a valuable and honest contributor who attempts to balance the efforts of Team Offliner in injecting their POV into Misplaced Pages. --Martintg (talk) 02:58, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Comment fixed: You are right, WP:AE shouldn't be used as a means for getting the upper hand in content disputes, as appears to be the case here. Offliner attempts to provide a neutral viewpoint (via published sources) that contradicts the particular viewpoint (which could be described by some as anti-Kremlin) promoted by those calling for his sanction here, and thus he is a valuable and honest contributor who attempts to balance the efforts of Team Biophys in injecting their POV into Misplaced Pages.

That is precisely why I am asking to strike out opinions of the anti-Offliner bloc here. (Igny (talk) 03:12, 19 June 2009 (UTC))

But not strike the opinions of the anti-Biophys bloc, evidently. --Martintg (talk) 03:31, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

See my comment above, but I will repeat again just to make myself clear. Nothing of value, and certainly not impartiality, would be lost if opinions of both of the blocs are discarded in the review of these cases. (Igny (talk) 04:57, 19 June 2009 (UTC))

Comment This constitutes continued accusations of bad faith by PasswordUsername using accusations they themselves lodged as some sort of "evidence." For example:

• (In response to now deleted comments about coordination by Biophys) The coordination here seems to involve members of your party. Continuously recoursing to use of the victim card on this note is getting very old, I really think. PasswordUsername (talk) 19:53, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

The entire section on And more of the same traveling circus of which the above is part, was a massive demonstration of bad faith by PasswordUsername attempting to enlist an unsuspecting admin in support of their attack against a number of editors they count as their editorial opposition. If you can't attack the content, attack the editor. This in fact succeeded, as at one point Hiberniantears even accused me outright of being a single purpose account, a contention they later retracted based on the facts. This behavior is little more than well-orchestrated back-stabbing. PetersV       TALK 03:22, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

PetersV, I'm not now accusing you of any coordinated editing, although as pointed out above, even ArbCom recognizes that blocs of editors exist. My response here was only to Biophys' original accusations (which he removed, as opposed to stricken out as customary). These were the very confused (alleging that I filed Offliner's report for him - whereas I only added more diffs) and this next one (also deleted - there, Biophys is alleging a "high degree of coordination" among a number of users, including myself). Now, I am not pressing any charges on this, but given the original context, it's only fair to respond noting that I am relatively new here as a registered user, whereas Biophys and a number of others (including yourself) have been "collaboratively editing" years before I first managed to even step here, which you all admit. (As for myself, in fact, my first encounter with the bunch occured on May 10, following which both Biophys and Digwuren came to accuse me of being a sockpuppet of Anonimu...) This isn't a bad faith edit–this is calling a spade a spade on hypocrisy-of-victimhood. Incidentally, Biophys should probably not pretend that he reverted his Talk page to "an older version of anyone who wants to review it" if he cherry-picks the incidents (he's ommitted a number of recent things he appears to find unhelpful.)PasswordUsername (talk) 03:39, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

• It is a fact that Offliner has been involved in endless block shopping:

1. Offliner filed three false 3RR reports (one of them was about Russian editor Colchicum) - see this warning by William M. Connolley.
2. He made this comment to Tiptoety
3. He asked for a block from Nishkid64, and yes, he received it from Nakon.
4. He asked for a block at the ANI
5. He made a similar ANI comment at another occasion.
6. And he still believes that he never started baseless threads and complains here.

Can somebody put an end to this. --Martintg (talk) 03:36, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

• Ugh. Clearly I should have looked down before commenting on the report above. Perhaps both Biophys and Offliner should be placed under a topic ban- this looks a lot like battleground mentality. Shell 03:41, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
  • Perhaps we should examine both edits one by one, and distinguish violations clearly? After all, there is a precedent in the extremely recent Shotlandiya case, where this was done, leading to a topic ban against Shotlandiya despite opposition from multiple editors to the effect that the opposite warring party had been just as bad. Moreover, from the way I see it, preventive sanctions would help editors who have been warring days ago would help more than sanctions against Offliner - whose breaches are months old (Biophys' "unilateral deletions" actually all date back to April)? PasswordUsername (talk) 03:56, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
    • The thing is, I'm seeing the same thing in this request - some of these diffs are from 2008 - there appears to be less than a handful that I'd consider remotely current. Your comments, among those of others that seem to be involved in this somehow, aren't really at helpful to sorting out the situation. I'm of the opinion that both reports are trumped up and being bolstered by opposing sides in a content dispute. Shell 04:29, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
      • There are a number of particular edit diffs in my list (which I posted in the discussion section) that seem to be pretty current. (It took just two articles where policy had been breached recently to issue a block to Shotlandiya.) With Biophys' editing, this has been a recurring pattern with Biophys since he first arrived here years ago, as has been recorded in multiple cases like this: Biophys seems to perennially wade into conflict over tendentious editing, back then years ago and in the most recent diffs provided now. I don't know if these are actionable, so if you don't think this is merits a sanction at WP:AE, I'll take your judgment. PasswordUsername (talk) 04:49, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

To Shell, both AE reports are mirror images of the other, concerning the same topics. This is clearly a content dispute and AE is not the venue to sort out such disputes. Biophys should be admonished and formally warned not to use AE in this way. This should be case for Offliner too, however he also submitted a second AE report below against Digwuren, recycling old issues that were earlier aired on other notice boards. Since Offliner was previously warned against vexatious litigation in another forum, he should now receive some kind of further sanction to get the message through. --Martintg (talk) 05:11, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

With these constant accusations of block shopping thrown around, the following may be relevant. Biophys was block shopping several times at User:Tiptoety's talk page. For example here he raised the same non-issue of "unilateral deletion" of articles and citing the same Digwuren's case. (Igny (talk) 05:17, 19 June 2009 (UTC))

Result concerning Biophys

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Ohconfucius

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Request concerning Ohconfucius

User requesting enforcement

AKAF (talk) 18:42, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested

Ohconfucius (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Arbitration case whose sanctions are to be enforced

Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Date_delinking

Sanction or remedy that has been violated

Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Date_delinking#Ohconfucius_automation

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy

Explanation how these edits violate the sanction or remedy at issue

Ohconfucius is prohibited from using automation in article space indefinitely.

Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction)

Delete and salt User:Ohconfucius/monobook.js

Additional comments

I have no additional reason to think that this is anything on top of his normal behaviour. The Arbcom finding just needs to be enforced, and this is a user who is unreliable about self-policing. While you're at it though, it might be a good idea to delete and salt User:Lightmouse/monobook.js and User:Lightmouse/monobook.js/test_script.js, which were the cause of this arbitration. This script is still being used by a number of users.

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

Discussion concerning Ohconfucius

cThis is very odd: I see 13 minutes between his previous edit and this one. No wonder, since presumably the chronological items were unlinked manually as he performed the other article improvements during that edit. I note that previous and subsequent edits made yet more improvements to the article, a wider gnoming context. This complaint appears to show no evidence of the use of automation (one or two minutes for this amount of article improvement and the chronological unlinkings, yes; but not 13.) And as an aside, it's great to have the date formats fixed so they're Australian, as MOSNUM has requied for some time, quite separately from the ArbCom "Dates" Case. I suggest that this complaint be dismissed as soon as possible. Tony (talk) 02:54, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

• Erm - one diff? I'm not clear how that's to be evidence of using automated tools? Shell 02:59, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
• Please see this thread on what constitutes "mass date delinking". Also, deleting Lightmouse's script would also remove helpful functions such as making already-delinked dates consistently formatted. Dabomb87 (talk) 04:49, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
  • Not only is this a poor example, but the edit was wrongly taken out of context to try to prove the editor's guilt. See this series of edits, clearly more than just date delinking. Dabomb87 (talk) 04:52, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
    • Ok, so would it be correct to say that your concern here is not whether or not his edit was automated but rather that this was an instance of mass date delinking? Shell 04:59, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
      • I don't think so. Clearly User:AKAF wants the script to disappear from WP, and I say that isn't going to happen. I am the only one not allowed to use automation, per Arbcom, so the request to delete and salt Lightmouse's monobook script is actually quite out of order. Ohconfucius (talk) 05:51, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
• I'm glad this has come up, because it was bound to sooner or later. Anyone examining my edits would clearly see that the main thrust of my actions is to align dates to a single format, in accordance with WP:MOSNUM. I have done this on articles which have date links as well as on articles which have been previously delinked by other parties. If they are linked, I delink them by hand. As has been pointed out above, I do try incorporating other improvements in the same series of edits. For example, this edit was followed by a number of edits over a period of 5 days, which brought about the transformation of the article you see here. Ohconfucius (talk) 05:47, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

• I'm not seeing any evidence here that the edit at issue was automated. If such evidence is not provided shortly, I intend to close this thread as not actionable.  Sandstein  05:54, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Result concerning Ohconfucius

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Digwuren

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Request concerning Digwuren

User requesting enforcement

Offliner (talk) 20:40, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested

Digwuren (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Arbitration case whose sanctions are to be enforced

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Digwuren

Sanction or remedy that has been violated

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Digwuren#Discretionary sanctions

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy

*1. Implying that other editors are neo-nazis:

• 2. Implying that other editors are working for the Russian state to censor articles:

• 3. Abusing article talk pages for ranting and to express personal political opinions:

• 4. Edit warring at International recognition of Abkhazia and South Ossetia. 3 reverts in 24 hours. (Changing "partially recognized" to something else.)

• 4. Edit warring at Timeline of antisemitism. Persistent removal of same material.

• 5. Edit warring at Kaitsepolitsei. Persistent removal of same material.

• 6. Edit warring at Finnish Anti-Fascist Committee. Persistently changing "Estonian media reception" to something else.

• 7. Edit warring at Nashi (youth movement). Reinserting "Putinjugend", reinserting "The movement has evoked comparisons..." to the lead, etc.

• 8. More edit warring at Nashi (youth movement). Removal of category "anti-fascist organizations", etc.

• 9. Edit warring at Mark Sirők. For example, persistent removal of the category "Discrimination of ethnic minorities in Estonia", and then of the successor category "Human rights in Estonia", removal of the text "His arrest was condemned by the International Federation of Human Rights", etc.

Additional diffs provided by PasswordUsername:

• 10. Edit warring at the BLP article of Rene van der Linden, including reinsertion of blog materials (after these had been previously removed by myself yesterday) and subsequent tendentious Wikilawyering giving undue weight to unproven allegations of financial interest in the Russian Federation:

• 11. Deliberate POV-pushing at the article Eesti Ekspress - summarized as "NPOV" editing:

• 12. Further edit warring at the same article (doing 4 reverts in 24 hours as other editors reject the obvious bias of this "NPOV"):

• 13. Deliberate insertion of nonsense into edit summaries of deletionist edits (comments in Estonian on English Misplaced Pages):

• 14. Continued abuse against other editors, despite WP:DIGWUREN's stress on adherence to policy and "behave reasonably and calmly" rather than "insulting and intimidating other users":

• 15. Content opponents are "drunks" hired to "show up on Misplaced Pages and support United Russia":

(edit summary)

Explanation how these edits violate the sanction or remedy at issue

Digwuren was blocked for a year following WP:DIGWUREN for edit warring (among other reasons). I think the above diffs clearly demonstrate that he hasn't changed his ways and is continuing to edit war. Also note that he was recently blocked for disruptive editing.

Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction)

Block of a suitable length for continuing disruptive behaviour after expiration of last block.

Additional comments

The first 3 diffs were discussed at a recent WP:AN thread, but I decided to repost them after this discussion with an admin.

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

Discussion concerning Digwuren

The AE is not for content disputes. I wish all you guys be banned from this noticeboard and others for disruption. Digwuren has not accused anybody of harboring Nazi sympathies. As I understand it, he said that the allegations Offliner and Russavia strived to include was produced by Risto Teinonen, who is a notorious neo-Nazi, as reported in numerous reliable sources, and not a reliable source. And I can certify that Russavia and Offliner edit-warred to keep neo-Nazi material in Kaitsepolitsei is an accurate factual statement, Digwuren was most probably right in his opposition to this. It wasn't Digwuren who created a battleground in that particular case. I invite everybody to examine the history of that article and the sudden attention that Russavia and Offliner started to pay to the Estonia-related topics entirely foreign to them (to provoke a confrontation in a known hotspot? Let's assume good faith for now, but it seems increasingly likely). Note: the material was neo-Nazi rather than the mentioned users, and I have little idea about their actual sympathies. As to the alleged edit-warring, you know, it takes (at least) two to tango. In most cases Digwuren merely restored the status quo version, aggressively provoked by contentious edits made by Offliner and his associates, which were bordering on policy violations and not supported on the talk page (e.g. insertion of the said neo-Nazi material, controversial categorization of Nashi (youth movement) as an "anti-fascist" organization, despite other sources claiming exactly the opposite, addition of the category Discrimination of ethnic minorities in Estonia, which was in blatant violation of NPOV and not supported by sources in the article, and so on). All this should be dealt with in a separate ArbCom and not here. Colchicum (talk) 21:16, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

• Comment The way I see this, Biophys, Digwuren, and you, Colchicum, as well as others have long been engaged in edit wars with Russavia, Offliner, me and others over a number of highly controversial topics, including a number of newly created POV titled articles. In the process we all tried to piss each other off, blamed each other for violation of WP policies (some justifiably so). In most cases that confrontation was qui pro quo, creation of one POV article followed by a creation of the opposite POV article. This case of Digwuren and Biophys is no more than a symmetric response by Offliner to his own case above. I think in all 3 cases, Offliner, Biophys and Digwuren the result of the arbitration should be the same or similar in harshness, otherwise the arbiter who makes the decision would be punishing one of the sides unfairly, possibly endorsing one of the sides in this conflict. (Igny (talk) 21:41, 18 June 2009 (UTC))
  • Without any diffs that counts as a personal attack. I barely remember you and I have never edit-warred. You have. Certified. Russavia has. Certified. Offliner has. Certified. PasswordUsername has. Anyway, this is not what we are discussing here. Colchicum (talk) 22:00, 18 June 2009 (UTC) Also you have earned this dubious distinction: . Wow. How could I miss that. Colchicum (talk) 22:11, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
    • Yes, I just noticed that none of the users (excluding Igny and Russavia) was officially listed in the log of Digwuren case. This might be a problem as debated above. This supports your argument of addressing the matter to ArbCom (if warranted) rather than here.Biophys (talk) 22:25, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
  • Having no 3RR violations means nothing except for how well you know the WP rules. You, Colchicum, still engaged in a number of edit wars, as well as guilty of a number of personal attacks against me and others. You know that and I know that. I do not have to honor your diff request, but anyone interested can look the diffs up in your edit history. (Igny (talk) 23:32, 18 June 2009 (UTC))
    • On that note, it's true that Colchicum has not edit warred, although he has consistently done rather close "collaborative editing" on contentious topics with the group of editors exactly specified by Igny. I would say this certainly counts as a contribution as far as it is taking sides with one of the parties in an edit war, but I don't see how fruitful this sort of thing is at the moment. The diffs are here for the administrators to examine–perhaps we'd better stay back from back-and-forth at WP:AE, which only muddies the waters for those reading the comments and summaries and does not help anybody. Colchicum is very aggressively kidding here if he thinks this is some sort of specious personal attack against him–and playing the tendentious innocent victim card in this way is rapidly becoming old hat at the moment.PasswordUsername (talk) 23:36, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
      • The most recent edit war, broadly defined, occurred over categorization of Nashi (youth movement). You can look up the participants of that edit war yourself. (Igny (talk) 00:18, 19 June 2009 (UTC))
        • Wow, there's Colchicum - or somebody using his name. I guess it's not revert warring if you don't break 3RR... PasswordUsername (talk) 00:27, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Comment. I have to agree with Colchicum's opinion. Note how Igny and PassportUsername attacked Colchicum after his comment. Seems to me Offliner, Igny and PassportUsername are attempting to mis-use AE to get the upper hand in content disputes over their contentious edits in articles mainly related to Estonia. Note that PasswordUsername was recently blocked for 72 hours for what was described by the blocking admin as his repeated insertion of nonsense into Estonia related articles and his anti-Estonian campaign, which I think somewhat vindicates Digwuren's attempts to maintain balance in these articles. Most of the issues raised against Digwuren have previously been raised in other fora and thoroughly reviewed with no action required , , thus this latest attempt represents forum shopping, and is bordering on harassment in my view. It is telling that rather than seek a topic ban in the AE request, Offliner is after an outright ban. I fully expect to be attacked by Offliner, Igny and PassportUsername after this comment. --Martintg (talk) 01:52, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, I fully expected your arrival here when I talked about the bloc endorsing above, but as I said neither your nor my opinion should matter here if an unbiased review of all these cases is an ultimate goal. (Igny (talk) 02:25, 19 June 2009 (UTC))

Right, I got blocked. (Thank you for piling on.) Kindly let me know when that makes it OK for Digwuren to do what he's been doing since he got back from "vacationing." PasswordUsername (talk) 03:00, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Digwuren's edits related to the ones cited here were already discussed in a number of forums, including the ANI case that led to your 72 hour block. Recycling them here really is a continuation of the vexatious litigation Offliner was warned about. --Martintg (talk) 05:47, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry, deliberately muddying the water like this won't help as you'd like. The edits that led to my 72-hour block were completely unrelated to the recent diffs which have been posted here. Good job, Martin. PasswordUsername (talk) 06:16, 19 June 2009 (UTC) For that matter, a great part of the diffs provided here are fresh-as-fresh and have not been recycled from anywhere, really. PasswordUsername (talk) 08:09, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Nope, examination of Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive545#User_PasswordUsername_and_Crime_in_Estonia will reveal your allies bringing in other articles such as Kaitsepolitsei, which is mentioned in this AE report. --Martintg (talk) 06:48, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Sure, another article was briefly mentioned at the WP:ANI discussion as an instance of Sander Säde's revert-warring. Both Sander Säde and I reverted at Kaitsepolitsei, Sander made six reverts, and I did four. This is well-documented on both Talk pages. But I wasn't blocked for the same offense twice, so bringing in the 72-hour block as though it were relevant here is simply being dishonest. No diffs from that report were provided here. PasswordUsername (talk) 07:58, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Who is being dishonest here? The accusation made in your ANI report here, having gained no traction there or on AN, is raised again here in this AE report. This is classic WP:FORUMSHOPing. As for alleged edit warring, Colchicum is right, Digwuren was merely restoring the status quo version, aggressively provoked by contentious edits made by Offliner and his associates, for example in the case of Kaitsepolitsei inserting the view of a notorious neo-nazi and claiming it is a valid criticism. Note the carefulness not to technically breach 3RR in the following tag team sequence: Offliner ,, then Russavia ,, then Offliner again ,,. --Martintg (talk) 10:28, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Wow, Martin. The one accused of edit warring on Kaitsepolitsei in your link to the ANI case isn't me, it's Sander Säde and company. By Russavia. What does it have to do with my 72-hour block? Was I blocked twice for the same offense - inadvertently doing four reverts against Sander's six at Kaitsepolitsei? Did you even see that it was mentioned as an example of abuse by Säde, who happened to be reverting me? What led to my 72-hour block was a report on my edits at Crime in Estonia. None of the diffs at that article by anyone, including Digwuren, have been included here as examples of abuse by Digwuren, which, as evident from the diffs here, both preceeded and came after the incident in question. Alas, Martintg: what you have written about me here is not relevant to the diffs provided. How much lower than this can you get?

Nice job. And you can always file a report here about my behavior if you think the blocks I got from AdjustShift wasn't enough. Water's muddied as hell, ain't it now? ;-) PasswordUsername (talk) 10:37, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Result concerning Digwuren

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Brandmeister

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Request concerning Brandmeister

User requesting enforcement

Fedayee (talk) 03:13, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested

Brandmeister (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Arbitration case whose sanctions are to be enforced

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan_2

Sanction or remedy that has been violated

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan_2#Amended_Remedies_and_Enforcement

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy

and

Explanation how these edits violate the sanction or remedy at issue

That's 2 reverts in less than 2 days, violating his sanction of 1 revert per week.

Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction)

A block from editing for at least 24 hours in order to prevent escalation of edit warring.

Additional comments

Brandmeister was very recently put under 1RR if you check here and here.

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

Discussion concerning Brandmeister

The diffs provided are not reverts, but compromissed edits elaborated in talk with another user. I suggest Fedayee assuming good faith and making any token in the discussion before reporting. This is close to WP:POINT. Brandt 09:20, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Result concerning Brandmeister

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