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• Viriditas (talk · contribs · logs)

Statement of the dispute

WP:Wikihounding by User:Viriditas that intensified after User:Viriditas wasblocked from editing for 48 hours six days ago for WP:Edit Warring, that has spread to other articles and noticeboards, including a extemely long campaign of combative uncivil accusations to nearly every other editor, deletion of talk page comments of other editors, open harrassment, overt baiting, threats, HUSH practices, false accusations and open admissions of POV editing.

Cause of concern

(note: this was first ]http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Open_WP:Wikihounding_by_User:Viriditas raised at ANI, where admins directed that it be raised instead at RfCU])

I apologize in advance for the long description, but understand that it's actually a tiny fraction of what's been going on, making it virtually impossible to edit on Misplaced Pages. I and other editors need help regarding some openly brazen WP:Wikihounding that literally takes up now several hours a day over numerous articles and boards. In fact, it has just caused one excellent editor (Wildhartlivie) to declare that he is "Done" attempting to edit an article, wondering "I keep wondering why an administrator hasn't intervened with what is being said and the attacks upon me and the two of you." This Wikihounding campaign intensified after Viriditas was blocked from editing for 48 hours six days ago for WP:Edit Warring on Human rights in the United States, including falsely accusing at least two editors of "NPOV" and "plagarism", the Wikihounding, which had existed before, was increased.

Spread to Jonestown - After his/her block time ran out, Viriditas then began a series of tagging and openly combative Talk page sections at the Jonestown article, which I had previously edited mostly a year or more ago and Viriditas had never before edited, with three editors. When another editor raised his suspicions that this was part of Viriditas' continuing attempted dispute with me, Viriditas actually admitted "yes, my attention was drawn to this article due to the actions of another user who has been active here, referring to me. Viriditas' most sizable campaign there involved the inclusion of a POV tag over the entire article because the article did not do more than discuss for one sentence and link to the article Jonestown conspiracy theory, a fringe CIA conspiracy theory first espoused by cult leader Jim Jones himself to hs followers.

Spread to Noticeboards - Unfortunately, it has now spread even further, to a baseless Neutral Point of View complaint, lodged by Viriditas on the same conspiracy theory, wherein it was again explained to this user -- over more combative commentary -- by a NOTICEBOARD EDITOR that "I see no real NPOV issue here" along with the same statements by the other three editors. The NOTICEBOARD EDITOR, now the FOURTH editor to say this, stated "the (correct IMO) point was made repetitively by others that the content under debate best belonged in the conspiracy article - and User:Viriditas refusal to accept that seems to have consumed a lot of effort that could have been better spent improving that article and the short mention of it in the main article".

Talk Page Comment Deletions of multiple editors - The WP:Wikihounding includes repeatedly deleting my comments on Article Talk pages -- along with those of other editors -- in gross violation of WP:TPO, so much so that Viriditas was seperately made to stop such Talk Page comment deletions by an administrator at ANI-3RR here in a separate instance.

Combative, Uncivil Accusations and Charges to nearly every editor - Unfortunately, in the Jonestown article, which has now suffered from this new part of the WP:Wikihounding campaign, the Talk page alone has ballooned in size by over 1,100% in three days -- from 10K to over 115K -- by the now highly combative many-hours/day Talk page campaign that Viriditas is waging with me and other editors. Just one click on the page reveals the now nightmare state is has become. This includes violating WP:Assume Good Faith and further WP:Disruptive editing on that page and other talk pages:

• to editor Wildhartlivie - I see you are still chewing on sour grapes from the shortened footnotes discussion. My neutrality here has never been in question.
• to editor radek - "you have shown that you are intellectually dishonest"
• edit comment re me and Yachtsman1 - "crud posted by disruptive crudités attempting to distract and change the subject. Your crud is not needed"
• to me - Because of your documented history of poor editing involving cherry picking of primary and secondary sources, undue weight, NPOV violations, and plagiarism
• to editor Wildhartlivie: Sorry, but none of what you say makes any sense.
• to editor Yachtsman1 - You are a tag teaming meatuppet for Mosedchurtre, the editor who refuses to allow a discussion of the classified sources and conspiracy theories in the article, and you are not neutral. You have the same documented NPOV issues as Mosedchurtre.
• to editor Wildhartlive - You're not following the discussion. To refresh your memory,
• to editor Yachtsman1 - "you aren't the first civil POV pusher/wikilawer to try it, nor the last"
• to editor Yachtsman1: You aren't paying attention.

Understand that this is just a TINY SAMPLE of the combative bloat that the Talk:Jonestown has assumed since Viriditas brought the Wikihounding campaign there three days ago.

Disruptive Editing and Baiting - The WP:Wikihounding also involves WP:Disruptive editing that was open outright WP:Harrassment, including several false accsations repeated, ignoring all statements made, just to attempt to bait some aggressive responsve, such as the following (just one of many examples) regarding the potential citation of an article by Dr. Rebcca Moore, which I never opposed:

Viriditas - "Why isn't this source allowed to be used in the article? . . . What is your objection to using this particular source?"

Me -"No editor, including me, has disallowed this (Rebecca Moore) article, and I in fact have cited Dr. Moore's books in this article. I have no objection to the source, or many thousands of other books and articles on Jonestown"

Viriditas - "Why will you not allow a scholarly article written by the chair of the Department of Religious Studies at San Diego State University, Rebecca Moore, to be used in this article"

Me - *Please stop making false statements such as "Why will you not allow a scholarly article written by the chair of the Department of Religious Studies at San Diego State University, Rebecca Moore " , each continued falsity is a further indication of WP:Disruptive editing. The brazen falseness of this charge is especially telling for future ANI action where I directly stated above, ""No editor, including me, has disallowed this article, and I in fact have cited Dr. Moore's books in this article. I have no objection to the source, or many thousands of other books and articles on Jonestown."

Viriditas - "Please explain why you will not allow a scholarly article written by the chair of the Department of Religious Studies at San Diego State University, Rebecca Moore, to be used in this article"

Me - Third time now, please stop making false statements such as "Please explain why you will not allow a scholarly article written by the chair of the Department of Religious Studies at San Diego State University, Rebecca Moore, to be used in this article "

Viriditas - "What is it that you find objectionable about citing this academic paper"

Me - Fourth time now, please stop making false statements, each continued falsity is a further indication of WP:Disruptive editing. The brazen falseness of this charge is especially telling for future ANI action where I directly stated above, ""No editor, including me, has disallowed this article, and I in fact have cited Dr. Moore's books in this article. I have no objection to the source, or many thousands of other books and articles on Jonestown." . There is ZERO issue with citing this article.

Again, this is merely one example of combative disruptive editing and baiting via false statements that occurs throughout the Talk page.

Threats - The campaign also includes numerous threats, such as "Please stop ignoring my questions per talk page guidelines. Failure to answer them but continuing to make the same points will get you in trouble."

HUSH practices - The campaign also involves engaging in WP:HUSH, leaving numerous warnings on both my talk page, as well as user:Yachtsman1 here, here, and here

False Plagarism Assertions/Forum Shopping - The campaign further includes makinge false "plagarism" accusations, at times as an attempted pretext to delete text, including at WP:Content_noticeboard, where he/she was told "If it's paraphrased sufficiently, it isn't plagiarism. It is paraphrased sufficiently." For the record, as Viriditas was told by others, it is plainly obvious that it was not plagarism, yet Viriditas repeatedly deleted the text based on this false basis, such as here, here, here, here and here. Note, he/she continued the false accusations of "plagarism", here, with [As for your continued plagiarism of content, that is a fact that is not in dispute. In fact, she did so an another board not just about one editor, but about two here: Both the content noticeboard and the copyright cleanup board agreed that you (another editor) and Mosedchurte are engaging in plagiarism.

Openly admits to POV in editing - Viriditas also overtly admits POV in editing, such as with regard to the tendency to include violations over advances in Human rights in the United States, where he/she admitted "Mosedschurte, do you understand that the positive advancement of human rights in the U.S. has come out of the criticism of negative incidents?"

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Desired outcome

Anything that will make the Wikihounding end would be GREATLY appreciated, and I can't stress than enough. Some have suggested blocks of Viriditas, while perhaps an admonishment not to edit articles that I edit (excluding Human rights in the United States, which he/she had edited first) would do, as we have never before edited the same articles.Mosedschurte (talk) 11:46, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Evidence of trying to resolve the dispute

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1. Mosedschurte - Please understand, and I cannot stress this enough, that I have hestitated to bring this to the attention of ANI (which I did first) for days, fearing that it will just draw even more aggressive WP:Wikihounding from this editor. In addition to numerous requests on Talk pages, two days ago, I placed the following "Sincere Request" on this user's Talk page stating "Honestly, this is not some attempt at snarky sarcasm by me, but a sincere request. just a consideration that we not let any dispute (between us, content or otherwise) spill over into other articles? . . . I truly believe -- all B.S. aside, and no blame on either party in this particular statement -- that we would both be happier and more productive both on and off of Misplaced Pages without spending time and energy continuing disputes across multiple articles." This was ignored. I then yesterday again renewed my request with "Please, I wanted to renew the original request, a consideration that we not let any dispute (between us, content or otherwise) in Human rights in the United States spill over into other articles. We would both be happier and more productive both on and off of Misplaced Pages without spending time and energy continuing disputes across multiple articles." This was again ignored.Mosedschurte (talk) 11:46, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Evidence of failing to resolve the dispute

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1. Mosedschurte - not only were both attempts at resolving the dispute on the editor's Talk Page outlined above ignored, but so was every other attempt, and many of the above diffs occurred after these attempts.Mosedschurte (talk) 11:46, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

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1. Mosedschurte Mosedschurte (talk) 11:46, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

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