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Pro Illegal Immigration

Well, the whole point of the march was to call for legalization and end the raids which have resulted in deportation. Obviously, immigrants who were already legal wouldn't need to be legalized or worry about being deported. Perspixx 21:08, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

That is not the same as "pro-illegal immigration". It is a rally to allow more immigrants to be legally documented. Dems on the move 21:12, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

If someone is an immigrant and not legally documented, that someone is an illegal immigrant. How can such a rally be anything but pro-illegal-immigration? Frotz (talk) 06:16, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

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Votes not cast

Hello, I just wanted to know what “votes not cast” means. I see that you’ve been adding these numbers into result tables. I would also like to know your source. – Zntrip 18:58, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

The answer to your question can be found at this edit summary --Dems on the move (talk) 17:37, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

WP:3RR and Todd Palin

Dems, please be aware that you have technically violated WP:3RR by continuing to revert the change made regarding the DUI issue. I am willing to assume good faith here in your change but if you continue to revert changes to this article I will not hesitate to block you per policy. I have issued a generic warning on the talk page regarding these revisions, and as you made the third reversion as I was updating the talk page I am not going to call for a block at this time, but continued edit-warring by either yourself or User:Threeafterthree will result in a block per policy. Shereth 19:51, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Technically, I have NOT violated WP:3RR, because I only reverted 3 times. You need a 4th revert to be in violation. Dems on the move (talk) 19:53, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Pardon, I miscounted. Still, you are treading a very fine line by pushing the 3RR to its limit. Revert-warring is not the solution to the problem. Shereth 20:00, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Restoring talk page comments

If another user removes your commentary from their own user talk page, please do not restore it as you did here. Users are permitted to remove warnings and other material from their own talk pages at their discretion (see the talk page guidelines). Doing so is an indication that they have read the warning, but also an indication that they don't wish further discussion on the topic. Please don't restore comments to a user talk page after the user in question has removed them. MastCell  15:40, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

I should have removed the edit summary of undoing, because I also added to my previous comment. Dems on the move (talk) 15:43, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Maybe I wasn't clear enough. The next time you do this, you will be blocked. Edit-warring to force your comments back onto someone's talk page where they are clearly unwanted is inappropriate. MastCell  17:47, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Wait a minute. I did not revert him. I added a comment, which referenced previous discussions. Dems on the move (talk) 18:29, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

You can assume that user is aware of the 3-revert rule and WP:NPA. If you feel they've violated either, then you can take it up with admins at the appropriate noticeboard (WP:AN3 for 3RR and WP:AN/I for serious attacks requiring urgent administrative intervention). Leaving further "warnings" and policy links on his talk page is guaranteed not to help the situation; furthermore, you keep adding more notes when he's clearly attempting to disengage with you. MastCell  18:36, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

I made a comment that the user has personally attacked me in this edit summary. Personal Attacks are unacceptable. I therefore request that you self revert this edit, and issue an appropriate warning on his talk page against personal attacks. It would also be nice if you apologized to me. Dems on the move (talk) 18:43, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Wasilla Assembly of God, Ed Kalnins, Wasilla Bible Church and Larry Kroon

I saw your reqeuest about one of the pages I created.

Pages for Wasilla Assembly of God, Ed Kalnins, Wasilla Bible Church, and Larry Kroon were all removed long before the five day period, in the middle of heated debate.

They all contained DIFFERENT well sourced information. All the information was from the thousands of news stories the four topics are featured in. Examples include -

Wasilla Assembly of God, Ed Kalnins, Wasilla Bible Church and Larry Kroon includes information about speaking in toungues.

Ed Kalnins contained quotes information about his quotes that predate, and almost parallel statements, policy positions, and reasoning for them by governor Palins, and voted on by all 100 US Senators. Since Palin was only present, it is biased to include the informaation on Palin's article.

Wasilla Bible Church, included information about its invitations to controversial speakers, and what the speakers said there that generated press coverage. David Brickner's controversial quotes were cited and sourced.

Larry Kroon has been frequently quoted in the press, and invited David Brickner.

Sarah Palin's other pastors are NOT related in the news to public policy, as far as I know, or other news worthy events, although some of them are pretty bizarre, so are not notable as Misplaced Pages defines things.

I have only been on Misplaced Pages and was assaulted by tens or hundreds of people trying to delete the sites and keep the information off of Misplaced Pages, using various spurious arguments.

Wasilla Bible Church was deleted on the grounds that it contained the same content as Wasilla Assembly of God, which showed that the admin and deleter did not even read it or any arguments not to delete it.

Do you know anyone who will actually read the stuff and put this relevant information in Misplaced Pages? EricDiesel (talk) 20:31, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Are the two churches the same? I suspect the one that was deleted is Palin's current church, and the one that is still being considered is her past church?

I wonder why the articles you created were deleted rather swiftly (normally the discussion is allowed to take place for 5 days), yet the article Dianne M. Keller, which was proposed for a speedy deletion, has not been formally put to an AfD. Dems on the move (talk) 20:39, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

choice of user name

transferred from Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Lipstick on a pig

• Not sure about that username there, pal. 86.44.28.222 (talk) 00:15, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Maybe he's trying to say those people on the move. Kaiwhakahaere (talk) 01:29, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Please don't be so cavalier about moving comments that are not disruptive, and show no danger of becoming so. Overriding another editor's choice of where to comment is rude and can itself lead to confusion: it would be better to have more than your view of technicality or logic before doing it. 86.44.27.188 (talk) 07:22, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

2008 presidential debates article

You deleted the section I had written regarding McCain's withdrawal from the first debate while I was in the process of integrating it with content elsewhere on the page. I had described the forthcoming change on the talk page prior to doing that, to attempt to get a bit of time to integrate the two sections into a more complete summary. While there is much to be said for being bold, it is always a good idea to check the talk page, especially dealing with articles that are the subjects of current events. Huadpe (talk) 03:26, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Sorry. Hope there are no hard feelings. Go ahead and merge whatever you think needs to be included (personally I don't think this needs to be a big paragraph because I think ultimately McCain will have to backtrack on this, and this will be just a minor footnote). I think you will agree with me, though, that it's not necessary to mention this information twice. Dems on the move (talk) 03:29, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

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Los Angeles May Day mêlée‎ deletions

Please stop deleting the word "illegal" from the top of Los Angeles May Day mêlée‎. Clear and compelling reasons have repeatedly been given as to why the rally was about illegal immigration and not immigration in general. What are your reasons for the deletion? Frotz (talk) 19:15, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

The protest was not to promote illegal immigration. It was to promote the rights of immigrants. --Dems on the move (talk) 20:44, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Which immigrants? Frotz (talk) 21:43, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Exactly. Dems on the move (talk) 01:16, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

All? Then why was there so much attention paid to those not in the country legally? Exactly what are legal immigrants protesting? Frotz (talk) 01:51, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

I guess you had to be there. Dems on the move (talk) 23:55, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

afd for joe the plumber

I think eddison was trying to modify his comment and got yours.

JtP RFC

You may be interested in this Talk:Joe_the_Plumber#RFC:_Career_and_LicesningMattnad (talk) 20:57, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Muntadhar al-Zaidi

Hi. Thanks for your edits to this article. I would like to make a friendly suggestion. In the future, when you make edits like this, I would ask that you use the talk page first. The date you replaced was the correct one, and as a result of your edit, the wrong birth year was in the article from the time of your edit on 17:53, 19 December to when it was corrected days later, at 04:06, 21 December. I'm sure you mean well and only want what is best for the article, but changing dates is often problematic without discussion. If you had bothered to ask on the talk page before changing it, I would have pointed out to you that at the time of his kidnapping on November 16, 2007, some sources had reported that he was 28, making it less likely (not more as you claimed) that he was born between Dec. 15-31. I hope this criticism doesn't upset you, and that you continue editing as before, but instead, make an extra effort to discuss the topic with editors on the talk page before making changes to the article. Thank you, and have a good day. Viriditas (talk) 03:13, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

sorting the Prop8 protests list

I'm talking about this edit. The list was already sorted- by state. So your efforts simply caused it to be sorted by city, which seems a little bit confusing. At least when it is sorted by state, all the Iowa entries are next to each other. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tedder (talk • contribs) 22:54, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Since it was supposedly an international demonstration, sorting by city makes more sense. Dems on the move (talk) 22:57, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Okay. Just wanted to make sure you knew it wasn't "unsorted". tedder (talk) 23:10, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Brian Doyle (Canadian murderer)

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3RR Warning

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution. -- Vary Talk 00:12, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Usually I would've filed a 3RR report but I think today we should give out free "get out of jail cards" and assume WP's strict policies again by tomorrow.--The Magnificent Clean-keeper (talk) 01:38, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

POTUS

You are wrong at President of the United States, and nothing on the talk page says otherwise. There have been 44 administrations and 43 humans. The sentence uses the word "individuals", which refers to humans, not administrations. Put differently, Cleveland is one individual, not two. -Rrius (talk) 00:12, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

I dont know what I was thinking, because I did intend to write that there were 43 individuals. Obviously, my edits were contrary to my intentions. Sorry. Dems on the move (talk) 17:05, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

AKLG

You know, when I saw this edit, I thought, "of course". But I was very surprised to see that, as currently written, Alaska is the only relationship described this way, and that only because of your edit.

But this can't be right. In fact, I believe that this is the most common arrangement (run separate in the primary, together in the general) It sure would be nice to correct the other state's entries, but I don't know any quick way to find out how each state does it. Of course, since you've already started the good work, might you be persuaded to finish it? Unschool 08:01, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

To the best of my knowledge, Alaska is the only state that has this arrangement. Obviously, all 11 states in the section List of current United States lieutenant governors#States with differing party membership at the executive level do not have this type of an arrangement. Dems on the move (talk) 21:27, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Edit warring at Eric Cantor

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Eric Cantor. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution.

You have reverted this article three times today. You can be blocked if you continue. Please wait to get consensus on the Talk page for any controversial changes. EdJohnston (talk) 20:16, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Linda Sánchez

Re this, I don't understand your reference in your edit summary to "conversations with her doctor"? She broke this news herself, in her interview with Patt Morrison. It became a subject of considerable public attention--and, I would note, virtually all of that attention was (deservedly) positive. The UPI article you are citing says exactly this: "Sanchez, 40, is the eighth member of Congress to have a baby while in office. Her pregnancy attracted an unusual amount of attention because Sanchez, who had been married and divorced, was the first to be openly pregnant out of wedlock."--Arxiloxos (talk) 21:14, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

I agree that the information is public. The question is: is it biographical? In my opinion, unless she starts talking about how she has wanted a child her entire life and because she started to hear the biological clock ticking she decided to get pregnant, I dont think such a conversation (which admittedly is in the public domain) belongs in her biography.

Remember, the idea is to summarize her life, not quote every single sentence that ever crossed her lips. Therefore, the quote has to be put into some context (which I gave the example that she has wanted to be a mother her entire life).

I hope you'll agree.

Dems on the move (talk) 21:25, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

I just wanted to add that the sensation hype about her being an unwed mother became moot when she married the baby's father. The fact that she conceived the baby prior to marriage is very obvious from the timeline, and in my opinion, need not be explicitly stated.

Dems on the move (talk) 21:37, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

You said: ". . . unless she starts talking about how she has wanted a child her entire life and because she started to hear the biological clock ticking she decided to get pregnant . . ." That is, pretty much exactly, what Sánchez told Patt Morrison last year:

Sanchez is 39 and divorced, and early this year, her doctor told her that "if your intention is to become a mother, I wouldn't put it off." So she and Sullivan didn't. They haven't yet set a wedding date. As he told me, "We have the rest of our lives to get engaged and married -- we don't have the rest of our lives" for Sanchez to become pregnant. . . . Sanchez's mother, Maria -- a "pretty traditional Latin woman," says her daughter -- had just about given up on Sanchez having a child. Now Maria is "over the moon."

As Morrison pointed out, the Congresswoman became a positive role model and part of a sea change that we've seen in which nontraditional paradigms of child rearing have gained increasing acceptance. (Morrison also connected this to the hit film Juno and how the Republicans managed to muster compassion and support for Bristol Palin.) I do think this is a significant aspect of Sánchez's biography, and a positive one, not something to be embarassed about or hidden away.--Arxiloxos (talk) 21:50, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

The way I read the quote,

• She wanted a baby
• Doc said "don't wait, get to work"
• So she and the baby's father got to work on it
• Mom (baby's grandma) is happy because she thought she would never see a baby from Linda -- an indication that Linda's desire to be a mother was NOT a lifelong desire.

It does not sound to me as if she has been trying to conceive for 20 years before she was finally succesful, which is why I don't see why it would be biographical. Dems on the move (talk) 21:58, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

George Tiller - "pro-homicide"

Hi

I've just reverted you at George Tiller, and figured you deserved the courtesy of an explanation.

Labelling the two sides as "pro-homicide" and "anti-homicide" is hugely partisan, particularly as most if not all of the anti-choice groups do seem to be speaking out against the killing. I'd personally prefer that the two sections are combined and shortened, but whatever approach is used we do need to avoid emotive phrases like "pro-homicide" (or "anti-choice", for that matter - but I'd only use that on a talk page!)

Cheers, This flag once was red_deeds 16:07, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Eric Cantor

While I'll agree about source exists in the references list, my issue is with the quoting of "a complete and total joke", the highlighting of this gives a generally harsh tone and a little undue weight. Showtime2009 (talk) 22:14, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Not quite sure what is wrong with quoting the phrase "a complete and total joke". It is quoted in complete and full context and appropriate for the paragraph. I don't see how it can be undue weight given that it describes what the McCain source called the rumors of Cantor being on the short list to be McCain's VP. Dems on the move (talk) 20:54, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Ira Forman

Apologies - it looked as though you were trying different combos in the assumption that there was an article about the guy, so I thought I'd help out. I didn't realise you were just about to launch the article. My bad.--Elen of the Roads (talk) 00:14, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Possibly unfree File:First Lt. Daniel Choi.jpg

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User name

Hi there, I hate to hassle you, but your name may get you in trouble as being POV according to our User name policy. It could mean Democrats are moving or They are moving. Just a heads up. Bearian (talk) 20:35, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Levi Johnston

I see no sign of a consensus, but I'm not going to edit war over it with you. I do think it violates WP:UNDUE. Who then was a gentleman? (talk) 23:27, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

3RR notice, please come to the talkpage

You appear to be edit warring at Talk:Barack Obama citizenship conspiracy theories/FAQ. Please come to the article talkpage to discuss your preferred change rather than continuously reverting to it. thanks, --guyzero | talk 21:03, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

You may want to double check your counting. I only count 2. Dems on the move (talk) 21:10, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Note that all Barack Obama related article are on article probation, and one can be blocked for edit-warring or disruptive behavior even if it is falls short of a 3RR breach. Most of your edits on the page have been productive in my view, but you have possibly violated 3RR at Barack Obama citizenship conspiracy theories and come very close to breaching it at Talk:Barack Obama citizenship conspiracy theories/FAQ. So I too would advice you to be careful not to edit-war and use the talk page instead. Abecedare (talk) 23:03, 23 July 2009 (UTC)