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Sarandioti

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For archived investigations, see Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Sarandioti/Archive.

Report date September 13 2009, 04:52 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets

• Alarichus (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)

Evidence submitted by User:Athenean

• User:Alarichus begins editing at 03:36 on 20 July 2009 , immediately prior to Sarandioti receiving a month-long block from User:Nishkid64 for disruptive behavior at 03:20 on 21 July 2009 . His very first edits show that Alarichus is highly knowledgeable about Misplaced Pages editing, including how to add references in proper format. This alone indicates that Alarichus has almost certainly edited before, although it does not prove he is Sarandioti.
• Even stranger, when Sarandioti was blocked in the past, he protested loudly , issuing multiple unblock requests every time , as further evidenced on his talkpage. Yet after his last block, nothing. Complete radio silence, not even a peep. Sarandioti has not edited even after his block expired except for 2-3 edits on Aug. 25..
• Sarandioti has stated that he lives in Greece , and the time-signature of his edits is consistent with someone editing in Greece's time zone. It is also remarkably similar to the time signature of Alarichus' edits .
• Alarichus claims he is not from the Balkans, but his passionate subscription to and defense of the Albanian POV in a recent TfD debate is suspicious (namely, that the term "Northern Epirus" is irredentist and should be avoided at all costs) . He is also strangely intent on pursuing vendettas against the same users (Factuarius, Alexikoua) that Sarandioti was . This is very perplexing.
• Alarichus' style of writing is highly reminiscent of that Sarandioti (accusatory, aggressive, somewhat condescending). Examples below.

• Short, successive, accusatory questions: S A .
• A perplexing inability to capitalize the word "Greek" under any circumstances, even though other words in the same passage are duly capitalized: S A .
• Ending with posts with statements to the effect of "This is sad" or "This is disappointing": S A .
• Telling other users to "wait until this process is over": S A .
• Admonishing users not to write until process X is over: S A .
• Statements to the effect "Sure, if anything comes up I'll...": S A.
• Statements to the effect of: "And please stop commenting on me": S A .
• Telling people to go to his talkpage instead of "here": S A .
• Telling other users "you do not understand what I said": S A .
• Sarandioti is a stickler for spelling, always going back and fixing the spelling of his posts, as does Alarichus: S A .

Alarichus' tone and style particularly in the ANI and TfD discussions sounds very much like Sarandioti to me. --Athenean (talk) 04:52, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Evidence submitted by User:Alexikoua

• Sarandioti contributed from May 26 to July 21 ], with an addition of 4 minor edits in a last appearance in August 21. His contribution was considered highly disruptive with wp:npa, civility, 3rr ] ], reaching 6 blocks], with his last one in July 21, plus an one revert limit.

• Alarichus started to contribute to Misplaced Pages from July 20 ], 23 hours before Sarandioti’s last ban. Although complaining in such cases and always making unblock requests, Sarandioti all of the sudden disappeared (just a brief appearance in August 21).

• The time pattern while both accounts were actively contributing: from July 20, 02:36 to July 21 01:27, (23 hours) is very clear that there were not simultaneous contributions from both accounts.

• Both users share the same isp with approximately the same i.p.: a series of reverts by Sarandioti in June 4, while intentionally unlogged in order to evade 3rr in his edit-wars revealed his i.p.: ], as well as Alarichus’ ‘whois’ information in irc simply proves that. As I know their isp provides a dynamic ip address in a limited range, and that’s obvious since Alarichus joins irc:wikipedia-en, with a slightly different ip almost each day.

• A weird evidence of inconsistency is that Alarichus asked for the translation of an off-wiki text from Greek to English (with Latin characters), pretending that he doesn’t know Greek ] . However, his whois info in irc clearly shows that he lives in Greece (Athens). Considering that he joins the irc channel more than a month, with his whois info always pointing to Athens, something is really weird with this situation. By the way Sarandioti spoke Greek very well ] ] and was active in irc too ].

• Alarichus, from 20 July, has a good contribution for a rookie in minor edits in non Greek-Albanian topics. This contribution was not always without being massively reverted ] ], with the reason that his conts were unexplained.

• After becoming a ca. 45 day experienced user he decided to initiate as a ‘third part’ user, a Greek-Albanian dispute in the deletion of the template:Northern Epirus. However, in the process he decided to leave his neutrality and take the part of the one side. Moreover, accused the Greek side for launching a sock-meatpupetry concert. Quite wierd behavior for a determined newcomer in wiki to make such moves.

• Alarichus made adjustments after ‘being asked from irc’, in template:Northern Epirus, still without explaining a real reason. Most of the template’s articles he deleted were of highly importance for Sarandioti too ], ], ]

• Both userpages are of similar inspiration: infant A. Hitler and anarchism, satanic eschatological stuff, with a variety of revolutionary extremist style quotes.

• Alarichus vollunteered in Aug. 31 to review for 'gan' Vikos-Aoos National Park, the article received a 'quick fail', without quick criteria being checked ] as per , instead of reciving an 'on hold' status. Sarandioti considered that this region is Albanian (ancient Molossis/Molissians) in Himara discussion page.

I believe, as per User:Factuarius pointed, that these two accounts are used by the same person. It's really hard to believe the opposite, but everyone can extract his own results and opinions.Alexikoua (talk) 11:00, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Comments by accused parties    See Defending yourself against claims.

I am no one's sock. I joined on July 15, 2009. Read the guidelines, then started contributing. All these claims saying that I am a sock are based on my spelling or anything else which is irrelevant. I have 1 ga and 8 dyk. Everybody in the irc knows that I write from a dynamic ip, which changes all the time and so it wouldn't surprise me if it got in someone's ip. Everybody knows that I have edited from many ips. If I have 4 commons ips in over 80, its not really a fact for anything. And I find it a bit suspicious that User:Factuarius whom I suspect for sockpuppetry didn't file this by himself. Was it because he would be checked? Just asking.

Conclusion:I have 4 ips common with someone in over 80 ips I have used, I commented on one discussion in which another user is interested once, in 900 contributions with gas and dyks. My ip in the irc is public at all times, and many people even know the hotel I'm staying in Athens. I write from 1 hotel, 16 net cafes in constitution(or however that is called in greek) vicinity, and 1 free wifi bar. So, I leave it up to you. --Alarichus (talk) 08:50, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

I don't share similar interests with the user whose sock I am accused to be.

Articles he frequently edits:

Articles I frequently edit:

On the bottom of the page, press the "frequently edited pages" link. That shows that I do not edit the same articles.

Also many people fix their grammar errors, that doesn't show that one user is another user's sockpuppet.--Alarichus (talk) 10:29, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Comments by other users

Well this is case is complex indeed, but sometimes 1 IP or the same ranges as said in the check user is used by 3-10 people, one person vandalizes in that IP range but different Lan IP, gets the whole IP blocked and blocking innocent people. So in the case of Alarichus thats whats happening in my opinion its not him someone else in Lan doing it. (basic networking) :P I dont support the block, more evidence required. Danger^Mouse (talk) 09:36, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

CheckUser requests

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Checkuser request – code letter: F (Other reason )

Current status – Completed: Reviewed by a Checkuser, results and comments are below.

Although based on the above, I am fairly certain that this case passes WP:DUCK, a checkuser would be useful in proving this beyond any doubt. While Alarichus has not broken any rules per se, and Sarandioti is not evading a block and entitled to multiple accounts, I believe this is an attempt by Sarandioti to deceive the community about his checquered past and is as such unacceptable. --Athenean (talk) 04:52, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Clerk, patrolling admin and checkuser comments

 Confirmed This case is rather complex, but I am certain that these two users are being controlled by the same person.

The facts:

• Both of these users are editing from the same range, a /16 (which is 65536 IP addresses).
• These users have the same operating system, but there is no overlap with user agents.
• This IP range is crazily dynamic - Both users have edited from well over 70 separate IP addresses.
• These accounts have four IP addresses in common. That is, there are four IP addresses that both users have edited from.
• On three of these four, both accounts have edited within 4 hours of each other.

I find the odds of two completely distinct people, who both have the same interests, the same ideals, and who have many of the same characteristics and style of diction, editing from the same IP address at practically the same time on three separate occasions to be extremely low.

And when you take into account how incredibly dynamic the IP addresses are, and couple it with the fact that any account on that range has access to more than 65000 IP addresses, I do not think there is any room for doubt that these two accounts are being controlled by the same person. J.delanoy_adds 06:12, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Conclusions

• Open SPI cases