Revision as of 23:52, 22 December 2005

Crticism page - vandalism

Its good that its protected, but its protecting vandalism to a degree. The criticism section has been removed without dialogue or thought, though it has been repeatedly atempted. I have treid to contact these people through their IP pages, and their Wiki names (though often they are anonymous), and have had no response. Its not that dialogue has not been tried, its that the people who delete the section refuse to respond. With that note, I believe it should be put back up unless someone can give a good reason for not doing so.

Again, every fact and quote is referenced in detail and are completely accurate. Its under a Criticism section (which every article about something substantive should have). Is there a reason why we should protect the vandalism that ahs occurred to it?

As an impartial observer, I observe that if one side doesn't want to discuss its continued removals, they should 'lose' by default. Maybe protecting the page while the Criticism section is in there will encourage them to cooperate.Tommstein 06:54, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Further non involvment with the discussion, I would agree, should automatically favor the side of having a criticism section up. This, I feel, is especially the case if it is the only side able and willing to defend its position in a discussion section. I guess we should wait a couple days and see. jcdpi 22 December 2005

I have been following this edit war with interest and am amazed that relevant and sourced information is being deleted without justification or even comment. In my mind this is blatant vandalism and those who are guilty of it should face lengthy bans. No Guru 23:52, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

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Please add a redirect from "university of miami"

This page could use a nice photo of the campus.

1) is univ. of miami of florida a sports school? 2) most of the famous alumni are pro athletes? 3) what is the sentiment between UM and Miami University???

Regarding the 3 questions above:

1) yes, UM could be considered a "sports school" however, it is much smaller than a state school, such as sports rival Florida State University. UM only has about 8,000-9,000 undergrads. I think the school is percieved as being larger because of the football team's popularity. The school does have a basketball arena on campus, the Convocation center, (which, most notably, hosted the first 2004 Presidential debate) but the football games take place in the Orange Bowl, which is located in a section of Miami known as Little Havana (about 15-20 minutes away from the campus). Other teams of note are the baseball team, who have done pretty well in recent years and the diving team and track teams, which have some Olympic medal winners in the last 5 years (can't cite specifics, but in 2004 Greece there was a sprinter, a girl, who took a silver medal in a short-distance race, that was a UM student).

2) A lot of them are. football: Vinny Testaverde, Santana Moss, Ed Reid, Ken Dorsey, Dwayne Johnson (also known as The Rock, pro-wrestler/actor). Diving: Greg Louganis (sp?) We've had a few famous alumni in entertainment, such as Ray Liotta (actor from Goodfellas) Pat Metheny (jazz guitar virtuoso, briefly attended UM before being offered a teaching position there) and a few others I can't think of.

3) I don't know what that question means. Are you talking about Miami of Ohio? There really isn't any sort of rivalry or anything between UM and Miami of Ohio, in sports or otherwise. We're not in the same conference. Most people who go to Miami of Ohio probably clarify which Miami they went to by saying they went to Miami, Ohio, because most people associate Miami with Florida.

Just to distinguish: the "Univeristy of Miami" (UM) is in Florida. The one in Ohio is "Miami University."-Brian Brockmeyer 21:47, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Actually, we wear t-shirts that say "Miami was a University when Florida still belonged to Spain." After all, you are a bunch of Johnny-come-latelies. NATCH! -James Howard (talk/web) 15:59, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

...Okay, but ask anyone in the country where "Miami" is, they will say Florida, regardless of who entered the union first. SNATCH!

The name of our university is Miami University, not "Miami of Ohio"... the media likes to use that moniker to differentiate us from "Miami of Florida). UM's president is a graduate of our institution. Further, we were founded in 1809 while Miami of Florida was established in the 1920's. 1809 vs. 1920 big difference!

Ray Lewis

Brian, can you explain why you object to the clarification regarding Ray Lewis's status as an alumnus of University of Miami? Jayjg 16:56, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

Brian/Juiced, I have addressed this on Brian's discussion page, which Brian deleted without responding to. Please discuss your objection to the clarification on Lewis' graduation from UMD. AriGold 17:45, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

I'm having a hard time understanding AriGolds insistence on qualifying Lewis' status as an alumnus of Miami. Perhaps it stems from a misunderstanding of the meaning of "alumnus". Webster's defines an alumnus as "a graduate or former student of a particular school, college, or university." Seeing as how Lewis was a former student at Miami and the title of the category in question is "Notable Alumni" and not "Notable Graduates," there is no need to qualify Lewis' status. If you want to signify that Lewis received his degree from the University of Maryland, the appropriate place and way to do so would be in the Alumni section of the Maryland article. Soldia1219 19:11, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

If you ever have a question for me, please just ask. It's not hard to find my discussion page. Anyway, wouldn't the more appropriate place for Lewis be under "Attended but did not graduate", as he did not graduate from Miami and we have the disctinction in the alumni section to seperate those who attended from those who graduated? I also tried doing this a while ago, but SoldiaBrianPalmeiro changed it. AriGold 20:13, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

'Top university' stuff

The clarification that mentions the #55 ranking is good. The only thing is, it should be mentioned what year that was, since for all anyone knows it could have been 1950. Does anyone know (and want to insert in the article) what year it was?Tommstein 22:04, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

I saw it in this year's publication, 2005. AriGold 12:23, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Crticism

New "criticism" section was added, as wikipedia is the forum for articles of factual basis and not simply a spokespiece for the represented article. All things and all people should be subject to criticism. All of the facts are cited and refrenced with links to UM's own website and others. Someone previously removed this added section, please do not do so again.

If you feel its nuetrality is in question or its factual basis lacking, please begin a discussion about it. otherwise, don't simply erase pieces becuase they do not fit your own liking. thanks,

192.88.124.202, you have deleted the criticism page, but have not left an explination for why the University of Miami should not be open to criticism. Please give your reasoning. As stated above, all sources are more than well cited and refrenced, all sources are accurate information. This is considered vandalizing in wikipedia. if you continue to do this, you will be blocked.

This is your last warning. The next time you vandalize a page, you will be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages. Please do not delete the criticism page.

The vandalism warning tags go on the vandals' user talk pages.Tommstein 08:17, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Protected

Protected to spur discussion. --Woohookitty 20:30, 20 December 2005 (UTC)