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* I have worked with many people on DYKs: : Jake Wartenberg, NocturneNoir, PeterSymonds, Res2216firestar, Julian Colton, Ironholds, Malleus Fatuorum, Shoemaker's Holiday, Mrathel, Ceoil, , , , , , and others. Over 85 shared DYK credits in which I worked with many users in a coordinated collaborative effort. * I have worked with many people on DYKs: : Jake Wartenberg, NocturneNoir, PeterSymonds, Res2216firestar, Julian Colton, Ironholds, Malleus Fatuorum, Shoemaker's Holiday, Mrathel, Ceoil, , , , , , and others. Over 85 shared DYK credits in which I worked with many users in a coordinated collaborative effort.
* I have worked with many people on GAs but they are not documented in an easy list so I cannot access them, but most carry over from the above. * I have worked with many people on GAs but they are not documented in an easy list so I cannot access them, but most carry over from the above.
* I have worked with many people on FAs: , , , , and , and with Mrathel three times: , , and current , and one other current nominee with . Out of 9 FAs I currently hold with one close, only one was not a collaborative effort. * I have worked with many people on FAs: , , , , and , and with Mrathel three times: , , and current , and one other current nominee with . Out of 9 FAs I currently hold with one close, only one was not a collaborative effort. Many of these involved copyeditors or those who committed heavily copy edits in a manner that I do not always agree with, or pushed for weight in areas that I did not agree with, but settled over as part of a compromise. ] (]) 06:27, 10 November 2009 (UTC)


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Evidence presented by Moreschi

A couple of case studies of Ottava's approach to content disputes will set out in detail elsewhere. For my part, I wish to focus on Ottava's wikipoliticking. The most important pattern to note is the holding of grudges, and the disruption and trauma this entails.

Case 1

Case 2

Case 3

more to follow...

Evidence presented by Fowler&fowler

Request postponement by a month in light of evidence below

There is no easy way to say this. I'm no fan of Ottava Rima, but I am wondering if he might not be under extreme psychological stress, and I feel for him. If my assessment is correct, then the last thing he needs right now is an enervating long drawn out ArbCom process. Please see my last post here as well as Ottava Rima's first post. I now feel that by continuing with the proceedings, ArbCom could risk causing damage to the health of one individual. That is a risk not worth taking. I am entirely sincere in this request. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 23:38, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Evidence presented by SarekOfVulcan

Ottava Rima does not recognize his own incivility

When the Lord Byron discussion was taken to WP:WQA, I attempted to engage Ottava there, indicating that he might be personalizing the debate too much. When he complained I was defending inappropriate remarks, I listed 16 comments of his, including "You've heard of a library before, right?", "You have no legitimate argument and you pushed absurdities", and "Do you even do anything around here worth while". His response was that "Those comments are not incivil and it would take a complete rewrite of WP:CIVIL and a complete bastardization of common English to make a claim to the contrary." At that point, I blocked him for a week, since I believed that he was unable to work within Misplaced Pages civility norms at that point, and cited that diff. Ottava's initial unblock request was declined by Chillum, but a second one caused Deacon of Pndapetzim to reduce it to time served with a note that "Abrasiveness was mild".

Evidence presented by Ottava Rima

I will first be putting for some statements about my own actions that only deal with general allegations and do not involve other parties. Any that do involve other parties will be checked through by some others first before I post them to ensure that they are neutral and clear.

My willingness to forgive

I have, on many occasions, gone out of my way to support those who have hurt me in some way or have caused me problems.

  • At Mattisse's 3rd RfC, I called upon everyone to ensure that we remember that Mattisse is a human, as we all are. I also made public statements in Mattisse's defense at her ArbCom case.
  • After having a dispute with Rjanag that was very bitter, I was still his first RfA supporter merely because he proved that he needed to tools to help the community. You can see it mentioned in the RfA.
  • After bitter edit warring and multi page disputes with Haiduc (as I have explained elsewhere), including claims by him that I was homophobic and other attacks, I worked with him to get Nicolo Giraud through FAC and I added him to the nomination because I believed that he deserved credit for getting the page to its final result.
  • I was one of the few to try and keep Peter Damian from being banned from Misplaced Pages even though he spent a lot of effort attacking my work on Misplaced Pages and making disparaging comments.

My willingness to work with others

I have worked with dozens of editors on expanding pages, fixing pages, editing pages, reviewing their FACs, reviewing their GANs, and other matters. Here are just the documented through process collaborations to show that I have constantly sought out others to work with on pages, even if I do not agree with them:

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