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| P.C. I have a Doctoral degree in Ethnology and you will not see me again on Misplaced Pages. My idea was too help here, but are too many agressive incompetents. Thank you for experience, but it was awful. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 14:13, 12 November 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | P.C. I have a Doctoral degree in Ethnology and you will not see me again on Misplaced Pages. My idea was too help here, but are too many agressive incompetents. Thank you for experience, but it was awful. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 14:13, 12 November 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | ||
| :Hi. I just wanted to say I understand your distress with the quality of the article, but I don't really understand if you are accusing somebody specific, or the entire Misplaced Pages of boing "aggressive incompetents". While I must admit the article is sub-standard and contains few references, it is nevertheless sourced, and you as much as anybody have the right to improve it as you see fit. | |||
| :Furthermore, the opinions you have expressed above, even if backed by your degree, are based on speculation and appeal to authority. There is no reference to Mircea Eliade in the article, for one thing, and for another, I hardly think that ''Descriptio Moldaviae'' mentions folklore as much as ''geography, politics'' and ''language''. | |||
| :But you are right in voicing your concern for the sorry state that articles relating to Romania and Romanians are in. There are just too few people interested in these things these days, much less on the internet, and virtually none willing to contribute freely to such a publication. Sadly, Misplaced Pages is becoming an instrument for the minorities, the conspiracy theorists and the incompetent -- as you put it -- to voice their opinions instead of presenting facts. ] 13:29, 14 November 2009 (UTC) | |||
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- This article is supposed to refer to the folklore of Romania, yet it looks like someone typed a passage on Romanian culture and famous people. Also, this article should have links to more relevant folklore aside from vampires and werewolves.
sorry!
I was sure that "Folklore of Romania" will be something at least not well writen, but this it's so low, that make me sick. I know that "romanian" Misplaced Pages it's taken by some very subjectiv groups, but my hope was that at least on english Misplaced Pages will be better. It's not. The hole article it's made by only one reference! From 1942! From only one point of view! Come on! The romanian ethnology, anthropology and folkloristics have so many groups and opinions! The romanian ethnology and folklorisics have more than tree century of history in itself! From Dimitrie Cantemir and it's Moldavia's description (1715) until today it's a huge amount of work that it's completely ignored by this... "article" (it's unfair to call it this way, but let's be kind). I will not lose more time here. I'v allready faced the badwill of the romanians groups that make romanian Misplaced Pages an anti-romanian site (my opinion, of course - and others hundereds of readers). I have seen allready that one history book, for an example, it's more there than for or five or ten books on the same subject, even when it are writen by far more prestigious historians, or even when it are academic books. So, I only want to make a little note here, may be somehow, someone, ever, will do something to change the situation. I don't belive that this will ever be true, but I make my duty.
And, btw. "Mioriţa" and "Meşterul Manole" are not folktale but ballad!!! Vampires are not a part of the romanian folklore until the end of XXth century!! The following text it's just fantasy, with no connection with folkloric facts! (text: "Solomonar - See Hultan and Solomonari, which were a group of nobles and wizards made famous more by the families who were members of the society then for their deeds. However, this is mainly do to the secret crusades of Christianity and their attempt to destroy all history and knowledge of these Wizards. Some of these names include Dracula Vlad, Solomon, Despina the Impure, Ty'ere, Ventruszch, Brohmyr, Izhain and Vohc.") There is not "Bătute" as folk dance, but "Bătuta", not "Căluşarii" but "Căluş", not "Tropotiţe" (?!?!) but "Tropotita" etc. "Joc" it's not an romanian folk dance, but the old romanian word for the old traditional folk dance like "Hora", "Căluş" or "Ciuleandra" (the word "dans" e.g. "dance" being used for the new tipes of dance that came from outside of the romanian old folklore from 1700 until now). "Apa Sâmbetei" was an Easter custom, not an "boundless ocean"! (The interpretation of "Apa Sâmbetei" like a underground river was a bookish transfiguration make in it's fantastic literature by Mircea Eliade! Some people think even today that the fantasy literature of Mircea Eliade it's... folklore!) "The Origin of God" section it's really fantastic, or, better, really fantasy, having no connection with the true folkloric facts! The idea that "Dacia was first called Ethiopia, then Arabia, and through a longer process, Bessarabia" it's a lie. (In XIX century one historian has try to make a connection between a romanian dinasty - "Basarab" - and Arabia. The connection prove itself to by entirely wrong. To say this in XXI century it's... beyond words.) "Apa vie" and "Apa moarta" are two tipes of miraculously water, not places!! etc etc etc
P.C. I have a Doctoral degree in Ethnology and you will not see me again on Misplaced Pages. My idea was too help here, but are too many agressive incompetents. Thank you for experience, but it was awful. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.233.103.36 (talk) 14:13, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
- Hi. I just wanted to say I understand your distress with the quality of the article, but I don't really understand if you are accusing somebody specific, or the entire Misplaced Pages of boing "aggressive incompetents". While I must admit the article is sub-standard and contains few references, it is nevertheless sourced, and you as much as anybody have the right to improve it as you see fit.
- Furthermore, the opinions you have expressed above, even if backed by your degree, are based on speculation and appeal to authority. There is no reference to Mircea Eliade in the article, for one thing, and for another, I hardly think that Descriptio Moldaviae mentions folklore as much as geography, politics and language.
- But you are right in voicing your concern for the sorry state that articles relating to Romania and Romanians are in. There are just too few people interested in these things these days, much less on the internet, and virtually none willing to contribute freely to such a publication. Sadly, Misplaced Pages is becoming an instrument for the minorities, the conspiracy theorists and the incompetent -- as you put it -- to voice their opinions instead of presenting facts. sfaefaol 13:29, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
stuff...
First and foremost, Manole was not a "craftsman" and apparently the title of that legend is translated into english word for word without any deep thinking done. He was a builder / arhitect and that is what the whole tale is about. To quote from the legend "we was better than all the other 9, nine of the best" ("Noua mesteri mari / cu Manoli zece / care-i si intrece") I propose calling the tale just "Manole" in English to avoid any possible confusion. Also, I fail to see any major refferences to Romanian traditional music (wheras in other similar articles this section is covered well) To end with, I believe that the whole section about Romanian genesis legends should be broken off into its own article, because this article should be more general about folklore, not so specific. I see this article being more of a page filled with links to the relevant articles. I myself am a little bit busy these next few weeks/months, but if the articles remains the same, I guess I'll end up rewriting it (and I'm not to very confident in my article writing skills). 92.81.146.148 (talk) 09:46, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
Poor article
This article should be rewritten, it sounds like idiotic trash, it lacks any scientific approach and it says nothing real/important about Romanian folklore.
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