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	In Misplaced Pages we can't take sides as to who invented who invented something, wheather it this person or that person, unless there is an official document to such regard. Removing content from an article because we feel that one person did this and the other did not, can be seen as vandalism, unless as I stated there is an official historical document or documents which state so and unless that happens we have to rely on the sources, some which mention Pascal Olivier Count de Negroni and others Count Camillo Negroni as the only two possible inventors. I'm requesting the opinion of the parties involved and others who are uninvoled to give their in order to reach a justifable consensus. ] (]) 21:25, 27 December 2009 (UTC)		In Misplaced Pages we can't take sides as to who invented who invented something, wheather it this person or that person, unless there is an official document to such regard. Removing content from an article because we feel that one person did this and the other did not, can be seen as vandalism, unless as I stated there is an official historical document or documents which state so and unless that happens we have to rely on the sources, some which mention Pascal Olivier Count de Negroni and others Count Camillo Negroni as the only two possible inventors. I'm requesting the opinion of the parties involved and others who are uninvoled to give their in order to reach a justifable consensus. ] (]) 21:25, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

			:I would be more than willing to let the claim that Pascal invented the drink stand if there was a single WP:V reference listed. I have requested help from you, Noel, Hector, (both of which I believe have a clear conflict of interest in this page since they are Pascal's descendents) and I have posted RfC's for a single reliable source for this. I am acting fully within the rules of wikipedia, since the on the edit box of every article it says "Encyclopedic content must be verifiable." All of the references that you, Noel, and Hector, have provided are self-published sources, forums, blogs, other wikipedia pages and comments sections of unverifiable websites. This is NOT a reliable, verifiable source. My edits have all been made within good-faith. All I am requesting is that reliable and verifiable references be provided. I believe you have overstepped your boundaries by protecting this page, when all I am requesting is a verifiable source, which MUST be provided for every claim on wikipedia. I am requesting unprotection for this page as it shouldn't have been protected in the first place. I will gladly leave any claim that is backed by WP:V references - ] (]) 21:39, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

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Shouldn't the list of famous Negronis be on a different page? It doesn't seem to have anything to do with the drink. AdjectiveAnimal (talk) 14:55, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

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I rather doubt that a Negroni with orange juice was invented only two years ago. Campari and orange is so known and popular that people have doubtless been combining the two drinks for generations. --Atemperman (talk) 22:40, 4 August 2009 (UTC

RfC: Pascal Olivier and Negroni Cocktail

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Is there any WP:V source that links Pascal Olivier Count de Negroni to the Negroni cocktail? All online sources with Pascal Negroni are very recent (2008-09), are typically blogs and forum postings, and I believe may stem from spamming by an editor claiming that his ancestor originated the drink. The refs given here are only a couple months old. While the origins of the drink are definitely cloudy, a quick search shows mention of the Camillo Negroni story at least as far back as 1999 on the internet. http://groups.google.com/group/it.hobby.cucina/browse_thread/thread/44dbfdcdf2a23688/91b067cb7b3de999?hl=en&q=%22camillo+negroni%22#91b067cb7b3de999 I'm just concerned that through ubiquitous spamming of the internet, people are rewriting history.

Is there any reference to Pascal and the cocktail drink even older than 3 years? - Chromatikoma (talk) 20:12, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Noel Negroni is a direct descendant of the inventor of the Negroni drink, period. If you are not a “Negroni” you have no dog in this discussion and "you are the spammer"!

Let’s see if we have this right. We have a grandson of a poet,Count Camillo, who is not a Negroni so no title of Count for grandpa “Walter Savage Landor”. We don’t know who his father is or his mother born in 1868 no town, city or country, in 1934 he died somewhere out there and again no town, city or country. He goes and spends a good deal of his time as a drugstore cowboy and a gambler to boot………..LOL! This story is way too out there don’t you think?? Wow, “whoever came up with this story has had way too many Negron’s way too early in the morning”.

I would have to say that at the moment he has “no braches on his Negroni tree to hang on too let alone our tree”.

David, I hope you have a sense of humor about this “story” as I most certainly do. Usually when a story is too good to be true, what can I say except…….LOL.

On a more serious note it was only as of two weeks ago that we where able to get our story of the Negroni drink on Misplaced Pages and make it stick. We had to go directly to the Misplaced Pages people as every time that I posted our family history regarding the drink Negroni somebody would keep bringing it down on us. “I wonder why”?? It was only after my brother presented our case, that we where able to convince the Misplaced Pages people to allow us to post our story regarding the drink Negroni. We are also “Officers and Gentleman” and we asked them not to delete the version of the story that that you are quoting above. I hope both stories are true and that as some point in time maybe “our” General Pascal Olivier Count de Negroni and Camillo Negroni got together on some hot summer night and raised a glass, “to life and greatness of the Negroni family world wide

http://chanticleersociety.org/forums/t/820.aspx

http://en.wikipedia.org/Pascal_Olivier_Count_de_Negroni

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~prwgw/negroni_01.htm

Noel Negroni —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.162.141.54 (talk) 15:47, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Hi Noel, please take this to heart, this isn't personal. Please look over these and contribute to the article in a constructive manner with reliable sources. WP:COI WP:NOR - Chromatikoma (talk) 20:54, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Your brother's web page, forum postings, and other wikipages aren't verifiable references. - Chromatikoma (talk) 18:34, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Protected

I have protected this page from the constent removal of content. In all fairness I believe User:Chromatikoma, who is the perosn removing the content is well intentioned, but said situation must be discussed here in order to aviod what may become an edit war.

The situation is in regard as to who invented the famous drink. No one really knows since there isn't an official document to such a thing. We rely on what is posted on websites and there are many that state that Pascal Olivier Count de Negroni was the inventor and others that Count Camillo Negroni was the one. There are sources which name Pascal Olivier Count de Negroni and it is only fair that both men be mentioned as the reputed inventor. By doing so and by providing the verifiable reliable sources (too many to post in the external link section), the article is within the neutral stance of the situation as it should be.

In Misplaced Pages we can't take sides as to who invented who invented something, wheather it this person or that person, unless there is an official document to such regard. Removing content from an article because we feel that one person did this and the other did not, can be seen as vandalism, unless as I stated there is an official historical document or documents which state so and unless that happens we have to rely on the sources, some which mention Pascal Olivier Count de Negroni and others Count Camillo Negroni as the only two possible inventors. I'm requesting the opinion of the parties involved and others who are uninvoled to give their in order to reach a justifable consensus. Tony the Marine (talk) 21:25, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

I would be more than willing to let the claim that Pascal invented the drink stand if there was a single WP:V reference listed. I have requested help from you, Noel, Hector, (both of which I believe have a clear conflict of interest in this page since they are Pascal's descendents) and I have posted RfC's for a single reliable source for this. I am acting fully within the rules of wikipedia, since the on the edit box of every article it says "Encyclopedic content must be verifiable." All of the references that you, Noel, and Hector, have provided are self-published sources, forums, blogs, other wikipedia pages and comments sections of unverifiable websites. This is NOT a reliable, verifiable source. My edits have all been made within good-faith. All I am requesting is that reliable and verifiable references be provided. I believe you have overstepped your boundaries by protecting this page, when all I am requesting is a verifiable source, which MUST be provided for every claim on wikipedia. I am requesting unprotection for this page as it shouldn't have been protected in the first place. I will gladly leave any claim that is backed by WP:V references - Chromatikoma (talk) 21:39, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

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