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| *'''Delete''' Sources not sufficient to establish notability. Most of the references used to cite the article appear to be personal websites. If Mr Negroni has written a notable book this doesn't automatically translate into him being notable. ] (]) 02:46, 31 December 2009 (UTC) | *'''Delete''' Sources not sufficient to establish notability. Most of the references used to cite the article appear to be personal websites. If Mr Negroni has written a notable book this doesn't automatically translate into him being notable. ] (]) 02:46, 31 December 2009 (UTC) | ||
| *'''Comment''': I'm not sure about this one, to be honest. I can see both sides of the argument. I agree with Damiens about the sourcing. I don't believe that some of the sources would be considered ] as they ''could'' be considered to have a conflict of interest due to the proximity of the authors to the subject. (Please see ].) However, from what I can see the subject appears to be "recognised by their peers as an authoritative source on military matters/writing". This quote is direct from ], which would therefore seem to indicate that the subject fits the general criteria of inclusion set by concensus in the project. Additionally some of the military achievements seem like they could be notable, i.e. first Puerto Rican graduate of US Air Force Academy, and there are a number of decorations, which although they don't confer notability within the project by themselves such as the Medal of Honor, when held together with other achievements they might lead to improving the subject's notability. Would it be possible, perhaps, for the author to provide a few more citations to third party sources? This might help ease the concerns that people might have about the sourcing and then notability would be unquestionable. (For instance a quote from somewhere that cites that Negroni's book is considered to be a definitive account that is essential to understanding the topic.) Also other sourcing for the biographical information as this could be a ] concern. — ] (]) 03:02, 31 December 2009 (UTC) | |||
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This man had a nice military career, had some usual medals, but, with all due respect, he's not notable. The article was commissioned by the subject himself to a wonderful article-writer (and thus, it's a well-written article). It appears that no reliable source cites this man more than en passant. The main references used are self-published webpages from tripod or angelfire. Damiens.rf 22:50, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- Speedy keep. author of ISBN 84-7844-138-7 on the military history of Puerto Rico, which is in turn referenced by several English language works. It's well written and well sourced, and Misplaced Pages is better for having well written articles. Edward Vielmetti (talk) 23:23, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- Speedy Keep- Why am I not surprised? Does this have to do with what is going on . I was not commissioned by anyone, my main subject of interest is the military history of Puerto Rico. Negroni is a noted historian and the author of "Historia Militar de Puerto Rico" (A Military History of Puerto Rico (the book)), which was commissioned by Spain's Fifth Centennial Commission and the author of countless books, seee: Books He was also the Chief of Liaison for the Joint United States Military Group in Spain and the Spanish Government presented Negroni with its highest Air Force peacetime award, the Aeronautical Merit Cross and the first Puerto Rican graduate of the United States Air Force Academy. By the way, I fixed your "find sources" to how it should be. Tony the Marine (talk) 02:12, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
- Keep I have to agree with Tony and Edward. His book is an essential reading about the military history of Puerto Rico. The book is listed in the New York Library's research page about The Spanish American War 1.--Jmundo (talk) 02:55, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
- Comment: This article has not been properly tagged as having been nominated for deletion. —SlamDiego←T 08:07, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
- Strong keep-Having been the first Puerto Rican at the Academy (where PR is underrepresented since admissions are partially based on the size of its congressional delegation) alone, makes him notable. His subsequent scholarship makes that notability unquestionable. His awards, especially from a foreign government, make his notability clearly recognizable.Pr4ever (talk) 08:32, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
- Strong Keep - The comments above say it all. --Kumioko (talk) 08:46, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
- Keep Awarded one of a foreign government's highest awards and author of a book that is trusted and respected enough to be referenced by peers in that area of study. Along with points brought up above, notability established. Calmer Waters 10:37, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
- Comment" - All relevant information in the article is sourced to three personal self-published websites, the first belonging to the subject himself, the second to the subject's cousing, and the third is a user-submission based biography collector. --Damiens.rf 14:48, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. —AustralianRupert (talk) 02:08, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete Sources not sufficient to establish notability. Most of the references used to cite the article appear to be personal websites. If Mr Negroni has written a notable book this doesn't automatically translate into him being notable. Nick-D (talk) 02:46, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
- Comment: I'm not sure about this one, to be honest. I can see both sides of the argument. I agree with Damiens about the sourcing. I don't believe that some of the sources would be considered reliable as they could be considered to have a conflict of interest due to the proximity of the authors to the subject. (Please see Misplaced Pages:RS#Questionable sources.) However, from what I can see the subject appears to be "recognised by their peers as an authoritative source on military matters/writing". This quote is direct from WP:MILMOS#PEOPLE, which would therefore seem to indicate that the subject fits the general criteria of inclusion set by concensus in the project. Additionally some of the military achievements seem like they could be notable, i.e. first Puerto Rican graduate of US Air Force Academy, and there are a number of decorations, which although they don't confer notability within the project by themselves such as the Medal of Honor, when held together with other achievements they might lead to improving the subject's notability. Would it be possible, perhaps, for the author to provide a few more citations to third party sources? This might help ease the concerns that people might have about the sourcing and then notability would be unquestionable. (For instance a quote from somewhere that cites that Negroni's book is considered to be a definitive account that is essential to understanding the topic.) Also other sourcing for the biographical information as this could be a WP:BLP concern. — AustralianRupert (talk) 03:02, 31 December 2009 (UTC)