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Cornell Statutory college names

After doing research on this subject, I realized that you had made a mistake on the names of the statutory colleges of Cornell. It seemed that you assumed all of them were "NYS School of ___" because of their ties with the state of NY. It turns out that if you go to each college's websites, you can find out that they all changed their names around the 1969-1971 period. Here are the websites.Human Ecology- "1969 The College is renamed the College of Human Ecology to better reflect its focus on human health and relationships." (Not NYS like you said--nowhere does it say "NYS College of __" on cornell's website; even if you google the name, it says The College of Human Ecology, at Cornell http://www.google.com/search?q=human+ecology+cornell&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a) http://www.human.cornell.edu/che/About-Our-College/More_About_Us/history.cfm CALS - The College of Agriculture and Life Sciences evolved over the past century from the Department of Agriculture (1874), to the College of Agriculture (1888), to the New York State College of Agriculture (1904), to the present name (1971). http://www.cals.cornell.edu/cals/about/overview/index.cfm (It seems you misread this one, since the college has not had NYS since 1971). You can find the real names here http://www.cornell.edu/academics/colleges.cfm . Lastly, I would like to point out whats clearly stated on ILR's website (on the right hand corner): What's in a name? “The ILR School started in 1946 with a focus on labor relations, and now focuses on a broad array of workplace issues, including a variety with global impact. Our mission is to 'advance the world of work.' Our official name remains the School of Industrial and Labor Relations, though we prefer to be identified as the ILR School.”— Dean Harry Katz http://www.ilr.cornell.edu/about/ (Once again, no NYS). I know that these are contract colleges and under NY law the state calls them "NYS," but these schools are a part of Cornell and they are under Cornell's wikipedia page; therefore, they should get their proper Cornell name, which is given to by Cornell, not by SUNY. -- Mojojojo69 18:37, 15 april 2008 (UTC)

• Sorry that I did not notice this until today because it was left at the top instead of the bottom of the page. The "present name" is the New York State College of Agriculture and Life Sciences. The 1971 change added the words "and Life Sciences" to the name; it did not delete the words "New York State". The website is misleading and I understand how you could be confused. Please read: http://www.cornell.edu/trustees/cornell_charter.pdf for the official and accurate names. Racepacket (talk) 08:23, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Pyramid and Bosnian "Pyramid"

I removed your reference the the Bosnian "pyramid" from the Pyramid article, since there is no proof yet that there are any pyramids anywhere in Bosnia. Maybe someday someone will actually find pyramids there. Maybe it's just a promotional gimmick like the Ukrainian pyramids. Until it's verifiable what is actually there, editors have repeatedly agreed to keep it out of the Pyramid article. --Ronz 17:12, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Gilberts, Illinois

You added (I think it was you) a 2004 population number about triple the 2000 population number (to the box in the article). Could you take a look? It doesn't seem likely. Jd2718 19:10, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Illinois places

Hi - good to see you creating a few small articleson places in Illinois - a couple of suggestions, though - firstly, could you add {{Illinois-geo-stub}} to them, so that they're listed in amongst the other Illinois geography stubs? Also, some of the coordinates you've added are a bit like overkill - for instance, you listed Blackberry Township, Illinois as being at 88.445828000000006° W. The difference between 88.4455828 and 88.4455829 is only about five inches - that added .000000000000006 of a degree is about 7/10,000,000 of a millimetre - about the same as the thickness of 15 hydrogen atoms. I don't think Misplaced Pages needs to be quite that accurate! Grutness...wha? 00:10, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Re:Templates

Please see this link Template Talk Page in reguards to Illinois Templates. Most of the information that is being presented on some of the Chicago area counties is unneeded info. The templates were getting WAY too big, and compared to other county templates around the US, the majority of those do not include that sort of information. You would find all that sort of info in the county write-up.--Kranar drogin 01:08, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

I also noticed that you have started doing townships. Awesome! Glad to have another on board for that. What we will need you to do though is include an infobox with them. Here is what you would need to fill in. Any questions, let me know. I will make up the maps for you, so you won't need to include that. Here is an example of a township infobox in use Woodbine Township, Jo Daviess County, Illinois. Also, all your townships are going to need the county name in the article, so they are all going to have to be moved. There are over 1,000 townships in Illinois, so there are going to be many, many doubles.

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Re:Kane County

That is great that you checked, but we are sticking to a system for the Illinois Project and that is to include the county in the title. Simply do a move, and make sure you update the links. They will have to be done sooner or later to be in line with all the other townships. Here is an example of Category:Townships in Ogle County, Illinois and the main page of Category:Townships in Illinois.--Kranar drogin 02:33, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

It is very simple, when I refer to Marion Township that is what I type there. If I just put in there Marion Township, that takes the person to a page to choose from all the different Marions in the US. Or if I put in there Marion Township, Illinois, it links to two different townships in the state. So, in order to stop confusion, it was set up that the county is included in the name. Check out how other states do it, and you will find that is how they also do it. Pennsylvania and Ohio were what we started basing this whole template and township idea off of.--Kranar drogin 04:19, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Re: Removing Points of Interest on Kane County Template

In accordance with the discussions regarding standardizing Illinois county templates, and against my wishes, I removed them. I actually believe it is worth having points of interest on there, but it seems as if the rest of the group is against including points of interest on the county templates. If you would like to join in the discussion, please do so here: Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Illinois/Templates. Thanks. Abog 05:00, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

RRCA

Thanks much for starting the Road Runners Club of America article! Still too many red links for essential running articles (e.g., half a dozen on the new Track Town, USA article), but your contribution helps show headway is being made. If you are interested in a suggestion for an article to improve, the USA Track & Field article needs a lot of work (the Craig Masback redlink there is rather glaring), especially with the 2008 Summer Olympics track trials coming up. It's also about time to issue the first newsletter for the WikiProject Running, there are enough new members now... Ombudsman 05:16, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Help for read and verify an English Article

Hello, I look for someone reading and cancel mystakes on the English Wiki article Dominique Enon. Is it possible to verify it? Thanks Regards. S.T.

Virginia Newsletter - May 2007

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Proposed merge regarding Seward Township, Kendall County, Illinois

I have proposed that the article Seward Township, Illinois be merged into Seward Township, Kendall County, Illinois. Both articles are about the same place, and the latter page seems to me to be the better home, to disambiguate this township's article from Seward Township, Winnebago County, Illinois. Since you originated both articles, I thought I should invite you to comment--or perhaps you could perform the merge yourself. Useful information in this is available at WP:MERGE.--ShelfSkewed Talk 05:08, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Steve Weiss

True. I meant besides the trustees who served as students, but I didn't make that clear. Thanks for creating all the board chairmen pages. Some of them like Kiplinger were on my list of pages to add as well. Good work.

In answer to your question, try searching the Cornell Alumni News via this link

Cornell2010 02:24, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Despite my best efforts, I've come to the conclusion that there were no official chairs during that time. I finally consulted good ol' Morris Bishop, and A History of Cornell states that the board acted without a chair for those years. They elected acting chairs at meetings, and I know that George Boldt served fairly often from at least 1909 to his death in 1916.

You've met 8 of them, eh? Very impressive. I think I can only claim meeting two and the son of a third. Have you been involved with the board yourself? Cornell2010 02:53, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Cornell Statutory College Names

They may be what New York State Law refers to them as however they are not refered to that by Cornell University ergo, they should not be listed as such on the Cornell University page perhaps within the individuals schools pages however those are not the formally accepted names of the respective institutions--Bcc07 17:27, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Your arguement is compelling...point taken--Bcc07 17:47, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

New Article Improvment page for WP:VIRGINIA

Seeing as our old Collaborations page at WP:VIRGINIA had no activity in the past year it was decided to replace it with a new Article Improvement/Request Help page that would allow members to list articles in need of attention. Its also a place to request help for an article taht you are working on to see if any other members would like to volunteer and help out. Thanks. T Rex | talk 01:20, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Cornell Central Campus

Well, I've thought that a central campus article has been needed for some time and hopefully by putting out a stub people may start to contribute. The North and West campus articles appeared fantastically quickly when we started them last year(?).

I assume sections on the various quads, architecture styles, history, development, future etc... --Xtreambar 03:32, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Huzzah! An excellent start! I will hopefully have some time soon to do some clean up and improvement. Thank you for your effort. I concur that some scaling back may be necessary for the individual articles. Also consider pilaging Category:Cornell University buildings for pictures. --Xtreambar 17:57, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Funny you should mention my Risley paper. I was just re-reading it last night and editing it. Boy, that paper was a fun one to research and write. --Xtreambar 02:47, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

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Re:Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/The Jewish Bolshevism

Could you clarify your position in regards to Żydokomuna article? I believe it is separate enough to warrant keeping it in its current format.-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  14:21, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

National Energy Marketers Association

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Joel Ward and Richard Matthews

Hi, I'm the guy who added Saturday's WSJ article as a reference to Forex scam and I noticed that you added the articles on JW and RM. I'm not sure that they are notable in and of themselves - since there are lots of scammers out there. Also, it might be viewed as a "single event" and people are rarely considered notable for single events. Actually the main reason that I didn't add at least one of these as an article is the potential for WP:BLP sensitivies to come up. Believe it or not, over Christmas/New Years I had a bit of a battle keeping references to Martha Stewart's conviction in her article.

No major point here - just saying hello. You might: 1. contact me if people want more detail, second opinion, etc. on these articles. 2. Add some of the material into the forex scam article. 3. Notify me on my talk page if you object to me changing the section heading to "Convicted scammers."

Happy editing,

Smallbones (talk) 03:19, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Regarding bad citation

(Reposting this here because I'd rather you had the response up front) Yeah sorry about that one, it ended up put there just some citation existed given it was the only response I had at that time (and was pretty much there to avoid a tag being added tile I could gather better information). It's being removed, and Square Enix's response is being swapped in atm.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 22:39, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Actually if you still happen to be here your post in the AFD made it seem you had reservations regarding other parts of the article. Could you mention any you think might be better off better addressed? I'm sorry if I'm being a bother, just I'm trying to aim for at least a featured article with this one, and the AFD that came up when things were just starting out has really thrown me for a loop. :\--Kung Fu Man (talk) 22:47, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

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That "Location=" thing has caused me more problems. Fortunately I fixed the problem and made the hidden field display on the pages so we can see such information. It looks fine to me now. Sorry for the hassle. MECU≈talk 13:53, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

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I've replied to your query. I've also added several relevant stub templates, as the page could use more work and citations. -- Cheers, Deborahjay (talk) 15:57, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

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WIN-T Page

Thank you for the information. I will work on making the changes you suggested. I would appreciate it if you could restore the page so I can do that.

Again, thank you.

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Olympic medallists

I have no idea how to port the page over to wikirun, but I'm happy for you to do this. Cheers, DerbyCountyinNZ 00:38, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

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Toni Turner

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The U

I have no idea why you are making a big deal out of a two year old discussion on reliable sourcing when a reliable source was found to show that the University of Miami is referred to as "The U" which you consistently have been removing from the article. Stop obsessing over this one fact and improve the page in other ways as you have been the only person to raise a stink about it on the talk page for at least six months and at most two and a half years.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 19:26, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

THE DISCUSSION AT Talk:University of Miami WAS TWO YEARS OLD WHEN YOU REVISITED IT. Official and reliable sources have since been found that allow for the inclusion of the five characters that make up the phrase "The U". Move on and let other people discuss things.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 19:33, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Would you stop with the "a.k.a." section of the lead? It's referred to as all those names. They are not abbreviations, especially not "Miami of Florida".—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 04:11, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

I am offering abbreviated as a compromise. I think it is best if we delete the whole thing because of WP:V and WP:NOT. Racepacket (talk) 04:14, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

You removed all of the references for it. If you continue to edit this article disruptively I will seek disciplinary actions against you.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 07:05, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

I have proposed another formulation -- no text in the parenthetical and leave the characterizations to the footnote. Racepacket (talk) 16:05, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Fact tags

You seem to be tagging whatever sentence does not have a direct reference to it, which is not at all contentious, with a fact tag. Requesting a reference that the school colors of UM were chosen because they represent the orange tree and the mythological aspects of the ibis are getting disruptive.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 03:28, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Not making a statement on Racepacket's actions as a whole as I haven't looked at the edit histories at all, but that one seems like a perfectly reasonable request. — DroEsperanto (talk) 18:15, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

ANI

Common courtesy dictates that I make you aware of Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Racepacket_at_University_of_Miami_and_related_articles.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 07:21, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

"Undergraduate"

To let you know, I hold a baccalaureate from the University of Miami and I am an alumnus of the school. Not an "undergraduate student".—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 21:02, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

• You don't really need my permission to update the statement on your user page saying that you are an undergraduate. Cheers. Racepacket (talk) 02:32, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
  • I should update that, but I was tired of seeing you refer to me as an undergrad.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 03:58, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

References

Could you please stop using bare URLs in between reference tags? There are templates which enable standard formatting of references, which I have been extensively fixing after you add them to articles.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 04:02, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Both are acceptable under WP:MOS Racepacket (talk) 04:06, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

{{cite web}} is used overall on the article, or it is at least the norm. Either way, I am requesting that on University of Miami if you could use the templates instead of bare URLs.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 04:12, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps another example of WP:OWN. Have you thought about using a mediator? Racepacket (talk) 04:25, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

I'm asking you to fucking use a template instead of a bare URL. I have never seen anything in any MOS which says both are accepted. There is no need for a mediator when I am requesting that you use a particular formatting when editing this page.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 04:35, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Also, this suggests you should use the formatting that already exists on the page.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 04:38, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

I am proposing a mediator to resolve the problem with the lead sentence/"The U" issue. Sorry for any ambiguity. Racepacket (talk) 04:41, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

There has been plenty of outside input on the issue with "The U" sentence on WP:ANI, Talk:University of Miami, and WT:UNI. Anything else is just abusing the system to attempt to get your way in the argument.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 04:43, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Please consider the benefits of mediation. It is a better structure that talking past year other. I think I understand your arguments, but I don't think you hear mine. Racepacket (talk) 04:57, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

I've been improving the article outside of your extensive requests for an indepth discussion on how the name "The U" came about.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 07:47, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Good. So have I, but it needs a lot more work. 07:54, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

A good number of your recent edits have not improved but harmed the article, particularly with your constant false assumptions about Iron Arrow (it is an honor society, thus is involved with academics, and faculty members are not honorary members as far as the sources are concerned).—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 09:42, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

The U 2

I am going to say this as clearly as I can:

Your constant requests for an etymological and semantic description and indepth discussion of "The U" in the article on the University of Miami does not exist as far as I am aware. All that is known is that the institution is one of many that refers to itself (and is referred to by other entities) as "The U" and there are references in the article that show that. Just because these references do not explicitly say "The University of Miami, or The U" or some variation thereof, but imply its usage does not mean the references are not valid uses to support the statement. If you continue to beat the dead horse of this part of the article, actual disciplinary action may be taken.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 09:52, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Maybe there is a problem on my computer or my browser but I can't find the phrase "Miami of Florida" in what you have as Footnote #2, http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=2390%7Ctitle=ESPN.com: Miami (FL) Hurricanes Football Clubhouse. I understand your position, until we get to the question of what can go into a footnote. Footnotes are supposed to help the reader, not confuse the reader. If the text says "water is commonly blue" the footnoted source can't say "I saw one lake at a distance, and it looked blue" when we know that upclose water is clear. Either the footnote must be changed or the text must be changed. I am not saying that there must be a lengthy discussion of "The U" phrase in the article. I am saying that if you want to capture the things that make Miami's use of "The U" different from the University of Minnesota's use of "The U" or its relation to the Athletic Dept's branding, that you are free to add sentences, probably in the Athletics section. By the way, I have contacted the Iron Arrow people and have confirmed that it is not a student honorary. Racepacket (talk) 15:53, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Warning

I see from WP:ANI that you're involved in an edit war on University of Miami. Please note that this is a blockable offense, and I'm asking that you stop. Not to mention the fact that you're removing information that has multiple sources, which leaves you little justification for constantly reverting. Additionally, a couple threads up on your talk page, Ryulong asked you to use the {{cite}} templates, and you asked for a mediator. A mediator shouldn't be necessary at all, and although I may not like the way that Ryulong handled the discussion about that, it's still not unreasonable for him to ask that you format your references like that. Killiondude (talk) 22:46, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Lead paragraph

Would you please stop changing the lead paragraph on University of Miami? I disagree with the changes you are implimenting. That is why I have reverted them. With your citing of WP:FOOT you are now just finding policies to feasibly support your changes. The explanation of the prose in the footnote is unnecessary. I do not like how University of Wyoming is set up. There is a precedent that you are attempting to set and it is getting really annoying.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 04:37, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

I am not trying to "set a precedent;" I am trying to fix an article within Wikiproject University. It was poorly sourced, contained excessive boosterism, poorly organized and repetitive. We have made progress, except that you keep reverting changes to the lead paragraph. What you revert back to is unsatisfactory WP:FOOT being only one reason why. Racepacket (talk) 04:43, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Why has "The U" been so controversial that it requires so much extensive sourcing? And why is this format which has been used on so many other articles inferior to the formatting on UW's article. You have been making changes without discussing them after they have been undone. I am trying to do this and prune the references there (I believe that "UM" and "Miami" do not need to be extensively sourced, but you have questioned "The U"'s inclusion).—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 04:49, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

I've eliminated two of the references from the lead paragraph concerning "The U", leaving only the three that say "University of Miami, or The U": "Taking a Time Out for The U", "This was a generation that grew up rooting for Miami, the school known as "The U," which won 34 straight games from 2000-02.", "Filmmaker Billy Corben, a Miami native and University of Miami alum, will tell the story of how these "Bad Boys" of football changed the attitude of the game they played, and how this serene campus was transformed into "The U."". I believe all three of these clearly show that the school itself, and not just its football team, are "The U".—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 05:00, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

I appreciate the gesture. I would rather have "The U" unsourced and discussed in the text of the athletics section than what is in the current version. Again, please look at these problems, all of which are fixable:

1. "The U" can mean the whole school, the athletics logo, the hand-gesture, or the new film. (Yes, the title of the film will cause confusion.)
2. Away from Miami, "The U" can mean the U of Minnesota or the student radio station and website.
3. We can't find reliable sources for most of this.
4. The examples you found are hard for a stranger to parse without some hint or explaination
   

Solution: explain the situation to the reader, particularly in the Athletics section along with the school colors and other traditions. I suspect (although I could not guess from the original article) that "the U" is the whole football-centered school pride scene. (The "Bad Boys" plus 14,000) The promotional trailer for the film makes this point. The current formulation suggests that "the U" is for lazy people who want to text five characters instead of spelling out University of Miami. All of the above is too much to wrap up and bury in the words "commonly referred". We need something different that is clear to the reader. Racepacket (talk) 05:06, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

But...the use of "The U" is not just the athletics. And "commonly referred" or "locally known as" are equivalent, are they not? This would not require the extensive coverage in the footnotes, and I do not think that an analysis of the football bad boy mentality would do much good in the athletics section to utilize the references as they stand.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 05:44, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

I don't want to fork the discussion, so maybe the Talk:University of Miami would be better for this: I honestly see "commonly referred" and "locally known as" as having very different implications regarding geographic scope. To me, "commonly referred to" means most people in most places in at least America. "Locally known as" means probably most people in Miami. "people close to the school" means all alumni, their friends and family and people living near the school or otherwise connected to the school. Thanks for asking. Racepacket (talk) 05:50, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

I am tired of asking the same thing. Stop changing the lead paragraph. The reformattings are getting bothersome and you keep doing the same one. I can tell your problem is not with "commonly" but rather with "The U", which is what you originally had removed from the article. It does not freaking matter that the name is not universally related to this one institution. I have provided enough to show that the name merits inclusion and is a common alias for it, regardless of people being alumni.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 11:04, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Why are you undoing my move of the thread to its own section at the bottom of the page?—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 11:59, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Re:University of Miami

I'm sorry, I'm not willing to do that. That's the basic purpose of reqests for mediation, I believe- perhaps look into that? J Milburn (talk) 14:26, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Text removed from "Academics" heading

Did you attempt searching www.miami.edu for words such as "Fulbright", "Guggenheim", "NSF award", and "National Science Foundation"? I found a single usable reference for the Guggenheim Fellowship and I've listed references for Fulbright Scholars and NSF award recipients in an edit summary. More and more it seems you know nothing about the subject.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 12:43, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

• I searched and found press releases dating from 2005 etc identifying specific professors as being Fulbright Scholars, but there was no indication that particular professors will still on the faculty. None of the references were a statement that "x Fulbright Scholars are on the faculty." I could not find anything supporting the %age of faculty with terminal degress (e.g., PhD, JD, MD etc.). I browsed the umiami website without a specific search to see if there were any comparable statements about the quality of the faculty that might not match those in the article, but I could not locate any. Racepacket (talk) 13:08, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

• • Race, you must not have looked too carefully, because I did a similar precursory search and 4 results on the first page listed different faculty that had been awarded Fulbright awards. And I don't see how piece-mealing together many press releases would constitue OR as you were arguing on a separate discussion page....
    • Because the sentence is in the present tense. So I know that various faculty had such status in 2003 or 2005, but I don't know how many if any have it in 2009. It would take OR to figure that out. Thanks, Racepacket (talk) 03:13, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

I am getting tired of this

First you disagree with me when I revert content you removed that you felt didn't belong on the article.

Now you are disagreeing with me when I remove content that I don't feel belongs on the article. And you are saying that I told you to stop removing long standing content without discussing it first. Show me where I told you that otherwise stop putting words in my mouth and stop reverting to make a point.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 12:44, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Jacksonville Developmental Center

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Hi. I appreciate that you made some efforts to paraphrase the text on Jacksonville Developmental Center so it would no longer be a copyright infringement. Unfortunately, adding synonyms and minor alterations in the sentences won't relieve the plagiarism issue. As it is currently written, the text will need to be deleted as a copyright violation. You are welcome to rewrite the text using original language. The page on WP:Close paraphrasing can provide you with some explanations and help. In the long run, it is always better to simply write the text from scratch using your own words. If you have any questions, feel free to ask. Regards. Theleftorium 10:04, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

I see that you removed the copyvio template. Unless that information is in the public domain (please let me know if it is), the copyvio still remains. Many sentences are copied directly from the source, so I'm going blank the article again. Regards, Theleftorium 14:14, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Here are a few examples of sentences that are copied from the source:

• On March 1, 1847, the legislature established a nine-member board of trustees that was empowered to appoint a superintendent, purchase land within four miles of Jacksonville, and construct facilities for the Illinois State Asylum and Hospital for the Insane.
• All patients were to be maintained at state expense. However, patients or their counties were expected to pay for clothing, travel, and incidental expenses.
• At that time, the board of trustees was reduced to three members and the newly created Board of State Commissioners of Public Charities was given authority to investigate and report to the Governor on conditions at the hospital.
• From 1944 to 1974 the hospital provided training in psychiatric nursing for students from general hospital nursing schools. Jacksonville's Psychiatric Nursing Affiliation Program, which was headed by the State Alienist, offered two-, three,- and four-month terms of classroom instruction and practical training at the hospital.

Please do not remove the template again until the section has been rewritten. Theleftorium 15:23, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

I appreciate that you're working on fixing this. Again, however, adding synonyms and minor alterations in the sentences won't relieve the plagiarism issue. See WP:Close paraphrasing for more information. I'll ask for a second opinion from someone more experienced with copyrights. Theleftorium 15:48, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Here are some more examples of text copied from , , or :

• On March 1, 1847, the legislature established a nine-member board of trustees that was empowered to appoint a superintendent, purchase land within four miles of Jacksonville, and construct facilities for the Illinois State Asylum and Hospital for the Insane.
• Construction of the buildings was begun in 1848 and James M. Higgins was hired as Superintendent. Although Dix had expressed interest that Jacksonville State Hospital be opened by 1849, it wasn't until November 3, 1851, that the first two wards were ready for occupancy and the first patient, Sophronia McElhiney, of McLean County, was admitted.

Although I think some parts are still too closely paraphrased, I have removed the copyvio template. In case I'm wrong, I have requested a second opinion from an experienced administrator at WP:Copyright problems. He/she will check the article in a few days. Thank you for being patient with me! :) Theleftorium 16:48, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Indeed. It was quite interesting to read about. Theleftorium 17:16, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

University of Miami

I do not know what you want done with the article anymore. If you want me or anyone else to improve it, give us a clear and concise list of improvements you want done using a bulleted list of things to do. Because if you don't, I'm just going to ignore your suggestions because I've lost my patience.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 22:13, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

• an easy to read, easy to follow history section
• a toned down reference to the fund raising that does not make unwarranted comparisons to other school, except on a national basis.

Thanks, Racepacket (talk) 22:17, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Stop reverting to what you consider a "consensus version". It is clearly not consensus if I disagree with it. I've been trying to change the section, but you just keep undoing everything. If it's the first of a set, then we can say it's the first.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 08:41, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

If it was not consensus, why did you remove the {{caution}} template that invited everyone to work out our differences on User:Racepacket/UMhistory? I am still willing to work with you on this, but I thought that we had reached consensus. Racepacket (talk) 08:52, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Because you are the only person who condisers it as needing this crap. We obviously did not meet consensus. I am trying to improve things without going to your subpages. And as a courtesy, as I told you if you were going to revert to your "consensus" version again, see WP:ANI#User:Racepacket at University of Miami, again.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 08:57, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

• Racepacket, you are edit warring, displaying worrying signs of WP:OWN and using misleading edit summaries. Please do not do this. Guy (Help!) 09:43, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Why do you keep removing "Momentum", "the first televised", "the most in Florida", and the reference for the last statement? All are supported by facts.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 11:41, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Seriously. Stop removing the name "Momentum" and the fact that the campaign (regardless of anything you've been telling me) has been stated that it raised the most money amongst other universities in the state of Florida. It is getting annoying. Clearly there is no consensus for this removal, but every single time you remove these facts. You are removing reliably sourced information and not giving me a clear answer as to why.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 08:40, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

"Restored structure"

The section break becomes necessary because it's impossible to navigate the page with your essays.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 13:43, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

I think that if you want to insert a section break, you can do it in front of your next comment. People can then decide for themselves if they want to discuss at your new section or continue the old section. When we were discussing "The U" some people got confused by your section breaks and left comments under the old discussion, but other people missed those comments. Please remember that you don't own the discussion page. Racepacket (talk) 13:47, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

You are the only one claiming to be "confused". Everyone else seems to be able to follow the narrative.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 13:48, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Also, that section was not "arbitrarily divided". You began a new discussion years after the initial posting and months after someone else made a comment that was not really related. You merely chose it as a heading because you felt it was related at the time. My restructuring of the talk page is in no way against any regulations or guidelines for this site.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 13:48, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

This is what I mean when I observed that you are in too much of a hurry to get your facts correct. There was a comment on 27 March 2009. I posted a comment on 2 September 2009 in response to it, five months later. After several other comments, you physically moved my comment, but not the 27 March comment to a different point on the talk page and claimed that I was the first person "in years" to have any concerns about the issue. These tactics make the history page (which automatically incorporates the section names in the edit summary) very difficult to use. Please stop this disruptive behavior. Thanks. Racepacket (talk) 14:10, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

The March 2009 post was unrelated to your September 2009 post. That post listed several sources where the "also known as" things were listed. Your post on September 2009 has nothing to do with what has been archived, filled up the middle of the page with an unrelated discussion, and is more or less resolved. Stop obsessing over what is connected where and the fact that I put a section break before that comment of yours. It is not editing your comment so I am not violating any policy. Also, stop using asterisks to reply to subjects. That produces bullet points which are only used to make lists. The colon does indentations, which is what should be done in conversations.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 14:26, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Also, if we continue to edit war over this, we are most likely going to end up blocked. I have done nothing to your comment other than remove the bullet point and produce a new section with it at the beginning. There is nothing in any policy that forbids me from doing this.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 14:30, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Similarly, you have to stop edit warring over the templates you have put on Miami Hurricanes football and Miami Hurricanes in the NFL, particularly using {{caution}} to say "Don't remove these, see the talk page". I do not know why you have gone on a crusade to make sure everything on any article regarding the University of Miami follows every single policy, requesting that everything be cleaned up and assuming that there is a POV slant to these articles. It is getting disruptive and annoying, particularly when you don't take into account anyone else's opinions or suggestions on the content and merely change everything yourself how you see fit.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 14:45, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Please see: "Editing another editor's signed talk page comments is generally frowned upon, even if the edit merely corrects spelling or grammar." Regarding the {{POV}} template on those two pages, it explicitly says not to remove it. That seems to be ignored, so I added the {{caution}} template to call attention to the fact that there is really material on the Talk page to consider. You are welcome to join in the effort to remove POV from the two pages. Racepacket (talk) 14:53, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

I am not editing your comments. That would mean changing the text that has nothing to do with formatting. As far as I am aware, changing formatting is not against policy. And you still have to stop edit warring and using the * for comment prefixes.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 14:59, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

• I went out to the margin with one bullet at that point, because it represented a shift in the conversation after our dialog on the two talk pages. We are not edit warring over whether or not there is a bullet, you are making unauthorized changes to our indentations. Please leave it alone. There are more important things to work on than retroactively recasting the debate. We have made great improvements in the UM article. Just compare the Sept 1 version with the present version. Why not take pride in what you have done instead of editing the debate that led up to it? Racepacket (talk) 15:06, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Because you keep assuming you are right and everything is so much better since you came along. It's very grating.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 15:08, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Stop putting that "this was retroactively split" text in the archive page. It is not necessary and it was never on the talk page to begin with. Also, putting what you consider important in the {{caution}} templates are entirely unnecessary. Stop obsessing over this stuff and just work on the articles.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 15:04, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

October 2009

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Talk:University of Miami/Archive 2. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform several reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. When in dispute with another editor you should first try to discuss controversial changes to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. Should that prove unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. Please stop the disruption, otherwise you may be blocked from editing. Closedmouth (talk) 15:12, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

I'd also like to add: lamest edit war ever. --Closedmouth (talk) 15:14, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Racepacket

I have begun this request for comment on your actions on various articles related to the University of Miami.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 18:32, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

I concurred with the request for comment on Racepacket's actions stating he has not appropriately responded to attempts to resolve disputes. Do go be man (talk) 20:31, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Racepacket, you are aware that you have to make a statement on the page, correct?—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 19:07, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for your comment on my talk page. This whole episode is well beyond where it should be. Bold editing has its place. Once the reverts start with ongoing discussions on the talk pages, however, the boldness needs moderation. I haven't taken the time to throughly analyze who did what when. Candidly, I don't have the time and the edits don't affect me that much. It appeared to me that you often too quickly edited and reverted controversial segments in direct opposition to other editors. I'm afraid that you sacrificed too much credibility dealing with aspects of the article that either have little impact on its legitimacy or step into hot button topics. Attribution of motives is not useful. I assume you believe you are trying to objectively improve the article according to your perspective of Misplaced Pages standards. You're right that boosterist statements are not appropriate. "Having won four National Football Championships under four different head coaches, UM is the undisputed center of college athletics" has no place. Appropriately expressed, winning four national football championships under four different head coaches does possibly represent something interesting about the school that differentiates it from others. The name and results of a fundraising campaign as compared to a region probably does not in and of itself represent useful information. Anyway, I apologize for the length of this message as I did not have time to write a short one. Do go be man (talk) 21:10, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Per this and your history, I have started a new discussion at Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Racepacket.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 00:17, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

College football categories

Racepacket, Miami Hurricanes football is the main article for Category:Miami Hurricanes football, which itself is categorized under Category:Atlantic Coast Conference football. Generally speaking, an article should not be listed under one category and any of its parent of child categories. The are some exceptions, but none apply here. By the same token, Miami Hurricanes football should not be categorized Category:University of Miami, a grandparent of Category:Miami Hurricanes football, or Category:Miami Hurricanes football head coaches, a child of Category:Miami Hurricanes football. Those categorizes are listed via navigation boxes, which still need to be fixed.

There's quite a lot of messiness in the categorization of college football articles, as well as a lack of consistency in number of other ways among the articles on the topic, that I'm working on fixing. Jweiss11 (talk) 15:35, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

ANI

Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#RFC.2FU_canvassing_and_meatpuppetry.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 03:07, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Baechter

Read this. The fact that this user with only two previous edits SOMEHOW managed to find Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Racepacket after a two and a half year hiatus from even using website is highly suspect, particularly when you admitted you've discussed conflicts you've gotten into on Misplaced Pages with your acquaintances. Either you ran the Baechter account on another computer connection or you've asked an acquaintance to comment.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 06:09, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

As i stated, you don't live in Mayberry and neither do I. You don't have access to which webpages Baechter visited, but did not edit. You misread my comment about what lead me to start the AfD. What about using a mediator to help clean up the UM pages? Racepacket (talk) 08:05, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Stop talking about a damn mediator already. It is very suspect that Baechter, who happens to live in the same city as you and has not touched Misplaced Pages in over two and a half years shows up to vouch for you on a low traffic project page that was in no way advertised on any high traffic page (until recently, but this was before Baechter's edits). You've been blocked for sockpuppetry before and you've been blocked in the past six months for it. This is the same shit. Stop lying and admit that you know who runs the Baechter account.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 08:47, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

I think that a mediator will help us get to NPOV on these pages, because you do not accept my judgments and concerns about POV pushing. If you have a better way to get to NPOV, please suggest it. Are you interested in fixing the UM pages, or are you just trying to draw everyone into a big wikilawyering drama? Racepacket (talk) 08:52, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

You're one to talk about wikilawyering drama. And again, stop changing the subject.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 08:54, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

And, just so you stop asking about a damn mediator: I am fine with the work you are doing to make any page compliant with Misplaced Pages's neutral point of view policies. What I am not fine with has been fully described in the RFC/U page, but I will enumerate it here:

• Edit warring to get your way
• Edit warring against the consensus of the other editors of the pages (including "The U" and the name "Momentum" are most certainly a neutral point of view, yet you edit warred against it)
• Referring to non-existant consensuses (referring to content that has been untouched on the article as "vetted" content)
• Selectively choosing sources that were on the article and selectively choosing content from sources to put forward (the "most in all of Florida" comment was reliably sourced, but you continued to edit war that out of existance)
• Using several hundred words to make your point (I do not want to read through your overly verbose comments, and neither does anyone else)
• Utilizing Misplaced Pages processes and policies to hammer away at your opponents and ultimately get your way in an argument (the Iron Arrow AFD, constantly requesting a mediator, etc.)

It just happens that I came across all of these behaviors in your edits to pages in Category:University of Miami (Alansohn came across your behaviors at Dane Rauschenberg). You were maybe all right in contacting the nine editors you have worked with in the past in the Cornell WikiProject to say "Racepacket is an okay guy". However, you should not have asked the owner of the Baechter account to say anything. The "Oh, I don't live in Mayberry" defense is not going to work. If an account with ONLY TWO EDITS prior to making an edit like this suddenly shows up and praises your actions on a page that was not advertised anywhere other than the 13 users we contacted via Misplaced Pages, and this account has no contributions outside of fixing things on two history articles, and this account has been shown to edit in enough of a geographic proximity to your main account/IP address, I am going to assume that you have, yet again, offhandedly mentioned a web page to an acquaintance who just happened to have a Misplaced Pages account, which has again escalated into a three ring circus for which you are the ring master.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 09:16, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for explaining your concern. I don't know who you are, and I don't know who Baechter is, so I have no way of evaluating this. The advantage of a mediator is that he keeps things down to business and does not "escalate into a three ring circus." The mediator would go through each article, and you, Baechter, or anyone else could propose language and he would work with us to select a NPOV version that addresses the facts to be covered in the article. Racepacket (talk) 09:28, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

For the last damn time, the issue is not that we need a mediator. I began this discussion to clearly state my opinion that Baechter is one of your acquaintances in real life due to the fact that the account has barely any edits and came by JUST at the time that your neck was up on a proverbial chopping block and just so happens to live in the same city as you do. I DO NOT HAVE AN ISSUE WITH YOU MAKING ARTICLES COMPLY WITH WP:NPOV, so stop suggesting that we get a mediator to fix that particular (non-existant) issue. I do not know how to make myself any clearer other than making my next comment all in capital letters, bright red, and blinking.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 09:37, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

I think we are talking past each other because I believe the basis for our disagreement is that I see NPOV problems where you do not. I understand that you don't see the NPOV problem. Can you accept that other people, including the GA reviewers and the commenters on the RFC/U, see the problem? If a mediator can help us with that, why do you oppose using one? We don't need Misplaced Pages articles that argue "University X is the greatest in the world and is the center of the universe" even if a majority of the active editors on that page believe it. Racepacket (talk) 10:38, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH WHAT YOU ARE DOING TO FIX POV ISSUES. I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH HOW YOU HAVE BEEN EDITING THE PAGE, CAUSING EDIT WARS AND REFERRING TO CONSENSUSES THAT NEVER EXISTED. I DON'T CARE IF YOU REMOVE OVERLY PROMOTIONAL TEXT. I HAVE A PROBLEM WHEN YOU REMOVE NEUTRALLY STATED, RELIABLY SOURCED STATEMENTS. STOP SUGGESTING THAT WE NEED A MEDIATOR FOR SOMETHING THAT IS NOT ONE OF MY PROBLEMS CONCERNING YOUR EDITING PRACTICES.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 20:23, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Ryulong, just curious, how did you think writing in all caps, big font, red was going to support your position? I'm not an expert on such things, but I think your last post makes an excellent case for a mediator or a time out. Do go be man (talk) 20:44, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

I am not trying to support any position. I am merely trying to clearly state to Racepacket that his reasons for wanting a mediator are not a problem I have with his editing. My use of font formatting is to make sure my point is clearly stated. If it is not, then I will say it again: I do not think we need a mediator for something I pretty much agree with Racepacket is a good idea. The RFC audience is enough of a third party at this point.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 20:52, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Glad you were not trying to support your position. Just a tip, all caps does nothing to clarify any sort of writing. At best, it is useful for limited emphasis on a word or two. Take a look at standard user agreements and you may notice the lawyers use all caps to obscure the parts to which they don't want you to pay much attention. It appeared to me that you were shouting a lot of meaningless noise, so I didn't read it. Wouldn't be surprised if I were alone in that. --Do go be man (talk) 21:08, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

If you are going to talk condescendingly to me, I suggest that you stop inserting yourself into this dispute.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 21:15, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, didn't mean to sound condescending. That, however, hasn't appeared to be an issue for you. I'm serious in my advice to avoid ineffective communication techniques such as all caps. I know that you can communicate more effectively. Do go be man (talk) 21:42, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Skorton

Thanks for putting some work in on David Skorton—after the university unilaterally 100% whitewashed it a few months ago, I tried to restore the original article while addressing its BLP issues, but I was painfully aware that I was adding fluff and pushing the tone too far towards subjective promotion in the process. I haven't had the heart to go back to it since. —Notyourbroom (talk) 18:48, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

William T. Miller

Thread moved here, where it would seem to be more relevant—hope you don't mind.—Notyourbroom (talk) 03:08, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

List of Cornell Manhattan Project people

This article has been reccommended for speedy deletion. The reason is elucidated in the revision history of the last edit. If you disagree with its proposed speedy deletion, there are instructions on the tag. Steve Quinn (formerly Ti-30X) (talk) 06:03, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your response at my talk page, it is much appreciated. And I think the introduction that you wrote really provides clarity for the article. Steve Quinn (formerly Ti-30X) (talk) 22:58, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

ANI

I think the ANI for Dharris1844 was premature. If you WP:AGF then the editor is a new user and, hopefullym, just a misguided supporter. The cryptic ANI message, along with the word "misconduct"is essentially biting the newbie. A far more appropriate response would have been to address perceived misconduct on the talk page. (And it's not a vote, so how can she vote twice?) - BalthCat (talk) 08:16, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

• Thank you for sharing your view. I think that the repeated COI template warnings and gentle escallation of observations about conflict of interest were ignored. I guess we disagree about whether the messages left in bold on the AfD page are considered "votes." When another user struck out her second vote, she got personal, and kept removing the strike out and the SPA template. I assumed good faith until the evidence went the other way. As stated in the WP:AfD page,

Do not make conflicting recommendations; if you change your mind, modify your original recommendation rather than adding a new one. The recommended way of doing this is to use strike-through by enclosing a retracted statement between <s> and </s> after *, as in "* Delete Speedy keep".

Racepacket (talk) 11:45, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Andy Scott Harris

We should judge the merit of an article based on its current state, not its old versions. Her strong POV has been removed from the article; the real issue here is surely Andy Scott Harris' notability, or lack of it. Regards, GiantSnowman 19:41, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Politics of Gatineau Park

An article that you have expressed an interet in, Politics of Gatineau Park, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Politics of Gatineau Park. Thank you.

Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. - Ahunt (talk) 19:29, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Racepacket: I welcome your voice of reason. It has been almost non-existent in this discussion.

It's fine if Misplaced Pages doesn't satisfy my perspective entirely. However, if some good part of it is not presented, then all that is presented by the NCC is propaganda. If the nasty stuff isn't discussed, at least somewhat, then the public will be fed pablum. I'm sure a neutral point of view does not in any way mean sweeping embarrassing facts under the rug, or pulling the wool over the public's eye.

I realize that the full weight of my argument would be better suited to a web site. But Misplaced Pages has a moral obligation to present some of what I have pointed to. No one else has. And it is clearly in the public interest to do so, and in the interest of balanced knowledge of the issue.

Just deleting the Politics of Gatineau Park would be a form of censorship.--Stoneacres (talk) 15:10, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Manuel P. Asensio

Hey, thanks for helping to expand the article. It has been a source of headaches in the past. Since you have the book, do you think you can expand it some more? I thought I had it myself, but apparently I don't. --JohnnyB256 (talk) 15:51, 19 November 2009 (UTC) Oh, just one further thought. If you do have a chance to add more from the "sold short" book, I'd suggest that you treat claims about third parties with caution. He makes inflammatory claims about certain companies, and that can be problematic. I was thinking more of noncontroversial biographical material. --JohnnyB256 (talk) 15:55, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

References

If you are going to use the "name" parameter for <ref>, could you please put quotation marks around whatever you are going to have as name=?—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 01:11, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

GA

Would you stop listing University of Miami for GA every time you think you've improved it enough?—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 00:44, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

• I invited you and others to help make the improvements listed. I waited and have spent the last few days taking care of the remaining items. What specifically do you feel has not been addressed? Racepacket (talk) 03:10, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
  • I am asking you to stop repeatedly requesting good article reviews.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 04:17, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
    • I don't understand what you are saying - are you saying that you don't think we have improved the article to the point that it qualifies as a Good Article, or that you had hoped to make more improvements to it before the nomination? It will take at least a week before the reviewer considers the article, so we can still make some improvements. You have really spent most of your efforts on other articles lately, leaving me to address the GA2 critique, so having addressed those points, I renominated it. Thanks, Racepacket (talk) 04:22, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
      • You constantly put it up for GA review and it constantly gets shot down.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 04:49, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
        • I don't think you have answered my questions and am looking forward to reading your civil reply. The 2007 nomination was rejected for obvious reasons. The Sept. 2009 nomination was rejected because of the edit war over the fundraising campaign after we had both agreed to submit the nomination. So after that was resolved, it was renominated. The Oct. 2009 nomination was rejected for a stated series of deficiencies. GA2 also noted, "incivility on the talk page continues." So, I guess it is better that you have moved that to this user talk page. I can't solve the incivility problem, but I did my best to address the other deficiencies. Thanks, Racepacket (talk) 05:09, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
          • I do not care about the results. I think that you focusing on forcing this article to GA status is not necessary.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 05:32, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages talk:Meetup/DC 9

Check out this, we are thinking about meeting in the near future.SADADS (talk) 02:47, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Gatineau Park invitation

You are receiving this invitation to join other editors working on the Gatineau Park article, because you participated in the AfD debates at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Politics of Gatineau Park, Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/New Woodlands Preservation League and/or Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Gatineau Park Protection Committee and have thus shown an interest in this subject. The greater the number of editors who participate in articles, the better the articles become. - Ahunt (talk) 18:26, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Don West, Jr.

Hi, I caught this in the recent changes. Your AfD nomination for the article was incomplete so I've completed it for you. You may wish to go back to WP:Articles for deletion/Don West, Jr. (3rd nomination) and add in your rationale for deletion- feel free to remove my explanation for completing the nom. HJMitchell You rang? 14:46, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

GUR (Global University Ranking)

Dear Racepacket Please help me in protecting Global University Ranking article from deletion. You specified the issue with copyright but 1) it’s the Russian legislation which completely different from other countries; 2) all other rankings have the same copyright and everyone refers to them without raising this issue. I will check the list of 100 universities and make sure that University of Illinois is ranked properly. The article has been heavily vandalised recently and this could’ve damaged the position. 87.194.126.221 (talk) 10:47, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Tags

When you place an editorial tag on an article, it needs to be accompanied by an explanation on the talk page that explains your justification for it. That allows editors to address your points, or decide that they are not legitimate ones. I think I remember making this revision several times on various University of Miami-related articles you've edited. Thanks! MiamiDolphins3 (talk) 19:34, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Notification: Proposed 'Motion to Close' at Misplaced Pages:Community de-adminship/Draft RfC

You are invited to join the discussion at Misplaced Pages talk:Community de-adminship/Draft RfC re: a 'Motion to close', which would dissolve Cda as a proposal. The motion includes an !vote. You have previously commented at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Administrator. Jusdafax 00:19, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

global sysop vote

Hi, someone voted on meta:Global_sysops/Vote as an anonymous user, using your username. As a result, this vote was rejected. Please log into meta first, and then restore your vote. Cheers, John Vandenberg 05:34, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

I was logged in, clicked on the link at the top of the page, voted, and only my IP adress was reflected. Racepacket (talk) 14:45, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

You were logged into en.wikipedia.org, but you were not logged into meta.wikipedia.org - it is a separate wiki. You need to go here, create an account, and then replace the IP with your username while logged into meta. You have half a month to do this, so there is plenty of time. ping me again if you have problems. John Vandenberg 01:51, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Illinois State Toll Highway Authority

Hi, are you aware that your GAN nomination Illinois State Toll Highway Authority has been reviewed here? Regards, —mattisse (Talk) 20:34, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

You need to address the points made at Talk:Illinois State Toll Highway Authority/GA1. Regards, —mattisse (Talk) 16:14, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Community de-Adminship - finalization poll for the CDA proposal

After tolling up the votes in the revision proposals, it emerged that 5.4 had the most support, but elements of that support remained unclear, and various comments throughout the polls needed consideration.

A finalisation poll (intended, if possible, to be one last poll before finalising the CDA proposal) has been run to;

• gather opinion on the 'consensus margin' (what percentages, if any, have the most support) and

• ascertain whether there is support for a 'two-phase' poll at the eventual RfC (not far off now), where CDA will finally be put to the community. Matt Lewis (talk) 01:40, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Huh?

Did you go to Morehouse??

Have you made similar deletions to other notable alumni lists? Have you altered or edited Earlham's page? the list of notable Wabash alumni? Elon??? Brown?

Just curious unclear....confused

delete 25% of an article????  —Preceding unsigned comment added by John E. Rhea (talk • contribs) 04:47, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

I am not sure what criteria you used to add people to the list, but I try to apply consistent criteria. Certainly, if someone is notable and has a wikipedia article, they should be listed. I do not understand what the 25% represents, because I did not delete 25% of the entries. I do not have any conflict of interest regarding this matter, and I assume that you are acting with good faith as well. There is a difference between a category which collects articles about the alumni of a college and the List of x college alumni. Racepacket (talk) 04:51, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

ANI

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UM Business School

The UM Business School is not its own separate school such that it requires its own article split off from information randomly taken from the main University of Miami page.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 22:47, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Also, would you stop submitting University of Miami to GA review? It's not going to happen. Not every page needs to be GA and not every page needs to be FA. Your undying focus on trying to get the page to GA status is not helping, especially when you unilaterally shunt information off to another article just because a random GA reviewer said so.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 22:59, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

There is nothing that you put on University of Miami School of Business Administration that should not have been removed from University of Miami. If you stopped focusing on putting University of Miami up for Good Article Review, maybe you would be able to do more. The fact that you cannot accept anyone else's opinion is just bringing up all of the problems that you caused in the first slew of AFDs and GA Reviews.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 04:47, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Do you not pay attention to this page or something?—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 05:05, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

(ec) I am still working on growing the Business School article. Please give it some time. See Misplaced Pages:Summary style, The article already contains which degrees the school awards and the relevant rankings. We can add more about its facilities, programs etc. Racepacket (talk)

Now that I see your response, I would note that 1) I didn't participate in the first GA nomination, although I tried to redress some of the concerns noted there. 2) The reviewer is correct that there is an over-emphasis on magazine rankings in the main article, and many of the rankings relate to just the business school, so it makes sense to move them to the business school article, just as we moved the medical and law rankings to those schools. 3) I am open to everyone's opinions including the four independent objective observers who did the GA reviews. Perhaps you should try to listen to them as well. Thanks, Racepacket (talk) 05:16, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

There is nothing about the Business School that can be said in a separate article about it that is not already covered in the main UM article. If you are going to attempt to write an article on the UM Business School, I would suggest doing so in your user subspace first because making something that is just a cut and paste from another article without adding any substantial content is not going to serve any purpose. Just because the GA Reviewer suggested it does not mean it will work in practice. At least when it comes to the Law School, the Med School, and RSMAS, they are all separate entities. The Business School is just another division of the University that has undergraduate and graduate students. I'm not sure why the Music School has an article, though. Also do not accuse me of interfering with the GA Process when I have made multiple attempts to address my concerns with you throughout the day that the review has been taking place. Reverting me is just going to make it appear the article is not stable. If there are too many magazine rankings and most of them the Business School, then we eliminate them instead of making an entirely new article with less than perfect content.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 05:17, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Anyway, I have made a thread on the talk page at Talk:University of Miami#Various explanations to explain why I removed references and a much smaller explanation as to why I remerged the Business School content.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 05:21, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

The Business School, the Law School and RSMAS are co-equal educational units in the University. Each is headed by a Dean who reports to the President. This is very similar to the Wharton School, the Johnson School, the Kellogg School, and all of the other business schools that have been split from their main university articles. What is the downside of a split? It gives Misplaced Pages a chance to expand its coverage of the Business School without cluttering up the main article. For example, I added the sentence that listed which degrees were offered at the school that you have now deleted. Give it time. Racepacket (talk) 05:24, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

So do the College of Arts & Sciences, the School of Engineering, the Nursing School, the School of Communication, etc. Just because a chunk of University of Miami (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) unduly focuses on the Business School does not mean it should be given its own article. And really, the sentence about it giving an MBA and PhD really doesn't do much to the retention of the page should someone send it to AFD. If you are going to make an article like this, I think working on it in a personal sandbox first would be more effective than cutting and pasting from its parent article.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 05:29, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

The AfD process involves a group decision. Even {{PROD}} allows for interaction and administrator intervention. Unilaterally deleting an article twice is very high handed. Racepacket (talk) 05:36, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

I did not delete the article. I merged it back to the original article and stated various reasons here, on Talk:University of Miami, and Talk:University of Miami School of Business Administration as to why I merged the articles.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 05:46, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

You removed all of its contents at 23:44 EST, (4:44) 1 February 2010 and 17:44 EST, (0:44) 1 February 2010. Your comments were not made until after I restored it. 1) You incorrectly stated that the school was just an undergraduate program. 2) You overlooked my sentence stating what degrees it awarded. 3) It was an inappropriate unilateral action rather than a group action. Racepacket (talk) 05:51, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Whatever. It was an article with no substantial content. All you did was take the magazine ranking section from the main UM article that focused only on the Business School and add a lead paragraph that says the school awards MBAs and PhDs. Stop arguing with me over the fact that I undid what little work you put into the page. There was nothing there that could not be stated in the main UM article, especially now that I've removed the specialized magazine ranking sections.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 06:04, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Please review User:Racepacket/UM Racepacket (talk) 06:25, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

It's not a "oh I'll throw this together in an hour" thing. Work on it over the course of a week.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 06:43, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Stop making a freaking article on the Business School. There is no coverage on it anywhere other than in magazine rankings comparing it against other business schools.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 20:59, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

I'm sending it to AFD.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 21:01, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/University of Miami School of Business Administration.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 21:12, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Sbacommunications is very clearly an account with a conflict of interest. Just read the username.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 21:39, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Little Salt Spring

The three references you added to the main University of Miami that are all scientific papers about research conducted at the Spring do not support any of the statements made in that sentence. I added all three to the Little Salt Spring article and not the Rosenstiel School of Marine and Atmospheric Science article.

Also can you stop removing this carriage return? It separates the infobox from the prose of the lead paragraph and does not affect the formatting of the page otherwise.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 04:09, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

All three references do support the sentence and describe the salt springs. Racepacket (talk) 05:15, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Seriously, please stop removing this carriage return. You do it every time you undo all of my edits. Also, information on Little Salt Spring really only pertains to RSMAS or the article on the spring itself, regardless of the fact that a group within UM owns it.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 21:49, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

There has always been a separate article on the Little Salt Spring, but that does not stop us from including it in either the Research discussion of the UM article or the RSMAS article. Racepacket (talk) 21:52, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

The 2.5k worth of text that you have put on the main UM article dedicated to LSS is ridiculous. A sentence regarding LSS, without the three references that comprise most of that text, could be worth it, but not all of this. I don't care if the reference support the fact they perform research at LSS. Those are references I used when I was writing my thesis on research I performed on some of the materials from LSS. They really have no place in the article on UM if they are just being used to say "research has been done at Little Salt Spring". And certainly, a description of the spring is really unnecessary when it comes to the article as a whole.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 21:58, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

A typical reader would not understand why a sink hole was worth studying. So we need to explain how the unique condition of the sink hole makes it significant. A single sentence is like saying "The Grand Canyon is a big hole in the ground of interest to geologists." The third reference may be a bit obsure, but the first two are very accessible to the general readership, and I found all three without resorting to the Science Citation Index or other specialized reference works. Science Magazine is read by thousands of readers outside any particular field. Please join in the effort to properly reference the article and make it comply with WP:V. Thanks, Racepacket (talk) 22:06, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

I've modified what you added to make sense, incorporate it better into the prose of the section. I've also used the one Miami.edu reference rather than the two scientific papers. There does not need to be that much text dedicated just to references for a one-off mention of the place that resulted in my cum laude status at graduation last year.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 22:32, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Jerry Stipp's article in Science seems to be more widely cited than the one that you picked. Perhaps we should use that one? Also, please explain why the 1980 Sarasota Herald Tribune article reports that Little Salt Spring was recently deeded to UM and that the Dept. of Geology's Geoarcheological Research Center was taking the lead in studying it. Yet, the Miami Hurricane later reports that UM got the LSS in 1982. Is 1982 the year LSS was transferred from Geology to RSMAS? Racepacket (talk) 22:54, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

I do not know. Also, there does not to need to be three separate scientific papers that show that research is performed.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 04:28, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Carriage return

Would you stop removing the carriage return at the top of the page? I am tired of putting it back in after you keep removing it when you mass edit the page. Also your "clean up cites" removes the quotation marks that I requested you use months ago. You have done nothing to "clean up cites" but instead get rid of perfectly standard formatting.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 03:11, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

• The above statement is factually incorrect. Racepacket (talk) 04:01, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

There is nothing factually incorrect about what I said. Just stop removing the quotation marks and the carriage return as you did here. While WP:REFNAME says that they need not be used unless the item contains a space, punctuation, or non-ASCII characters, it still does not hurt to use them. It does not make the page any better or worse, but it is just something I requested that you do. And the same thing goes for the carriage return that separates the text of the infobox from the prose of the lead section. I cannot find anything that says it should or should not be there in WP:LEAD or WP:IBX but it is just something else that I am requesting that you retain in the article.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 04:23, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

• Double check your facts. I did clean up beyond the quotes and you are changing the = in templates to +, which causes information to not be displayed properly. Also, some were with quote marks and others were without, and we are working under time pressure to get the article into compliance with WP:V. I want to stop having to check to see if you have gone back and edited a particular ref name to add quote marks behind my back, so I am working off a copy of the article that does not have the unneeded quote marks. Since you have not made a substantive contribution to the article for months, and apparently have no plans to do so, I suggest you let the editors who are working to bring the article up to standards get on with their work. Thanks, Racepacket (talk) 04:47, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

All of them should have quotation marks. Just add them to whatever version you are working from. I am doing nothing to affect the editing of the page. I am just fixing formatting that you keep removing. There is no deadline on this. Maybe if you just updated the content in whatever copy you have saved we wouldn't have an issue with the quotation marks and that extra carriage return. I also have no idea what you mean by "changing the = in templates to +".—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 04:55, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

• If you don't know that you are changing the = in cite templates to +, then you should not be editing the footnotes. We are under a time-pressure deadline on this article because, as you know, the GA review will not be placed on "hold" for long. Racepacket (talk) 05:06, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

I do not even know what you mean by "changing the = in cite templates to +". I have made no such edits. And the only thing I am doing is formatting the name aspect of the <ref> tag by adding " around the item being designated as a name. I have not made any changes from "the = in cite templates to +". None of the edits I have even made to the page incorporate the + sign. If you could point out a diff where I have changed "the = in cite templates to +" then I might know what's going on. Whatever I am doing concerning formatting should not be preventing the article from being promoted to GA, a task you have brought onto yourself.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 05:34, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

• Thank goodness you can't go back and tamper with the edit history. Your = -> + change is there in red ink. Racepacket (talk) 05:59, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

That is one instance where the = was changed to a + because I was undoing the edit where you fixed that because all I saw was the fact you removed every single quotation mark in a ref tag. Maybe if you didn't remove every single quotation mark that would not have happened. It is certainly not something to accuse me of doing something on purpose and picking out one thing that was very clearly a mistake that no one should be blamed for.

The issue is that I am asking you to not remove the quotation marks and that line break between the infobox and the lead paragraph.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 06:09, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

• I'm giving up my hour of sleep to get the article to conform to WP:V and I find myself constantly interrupted by you and this concern. You admit that nothing requires the quotes. I am in the habit of not using them. You are not adding substance to the article, and the harm is that you are wasting everyone's time. Please drop this and let us get on with our work. Racepacket (talk) 06:15, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

I am just asking you to add two more key strokes when you add references. The fact of the matter is that you should not change the formatting of an article wholesale just because you prefer to not use that formatting style.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 06:16, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

*

Why do you use the * to preface any reply you make? The standard method of indenting is the :. Not the *. It's really jarring.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 03:20, 8 February 2010 (UTC)