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Report date March 31 2010, 02:23 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets

• ISerovian (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• 58.165.52.165 (talk · tag · contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · proxy check · block user · spi block · block log · cross-wiki contribs · CheckUser (log))
• 124.180.196.163 (talk · tag · contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · proxy check · block user · spi block · block log · cross-wiki contribs · CheckUser (log))

Evidence submitted by Igny

Hi, I believe that one of the topic-banned WP:EEML members used a SPA and IPs to distort the consensus at Talk:Occupation of the Baltic States. Based on previous contributions to the Baltic related articles, I believe that either User:Martintg or User:Vecrumba or both tried to circumvent their topic bans to help out their fellow EEML member User:Sander Säde. I do not know how to properly submit a case to check three possible suspects (Martintg, Vecrumba, and Sander Säde), so I filed it under section for Martintg.

Just to clarify. After Sander accused me in not heeding the consensus (or lack thereof) that was like a double insult to me to use a SPA to destroy the consensus which was building at the mentioned request to move. (and no, Sander, lack of consensus to move is not a failure to move). This case was not meant to be an insult, but rather an opportunity to clear your names of a justified suspicion. (Igny (talk) 21:18, 31 March 2010 (UTC))

Re: Vecrumba. I really do not care if you view it as a personal attack. It is not, even if you personally are not guilty of sockpuppeting. I do not care who of you used ISerovian, and I will not apologize for one of you using a SPA to keep the article's POV title. (Igny (talk) 16:48, 1 April 2010 (UTC))

Comments by accused parties

See Defending yourself against claims.

I would like to point out that this fishing expedition was preceded by two failed requested moves by Igny, in-between which he repeatedly attempted to unilaterally move the article to his preferred name and was subsequently warned by an administrator. Administrator closing the last RM especially pointed out that he based the decision on arguments and not votes.

I have never made any sockpuppets and never will. I have not requested anyone's help inside or outside Misplaced Pages - nor did I need it. I believe ISerovian is the same anon from those two IP's; however, as he/IP's did not double vote, I fail to see the violation.

As Igny did not notify anyone of this investigation, I will so do myself.

--Sander Säde 07:50, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Nothing to do with me. I'm busy with real life and have reduced my active involvement with Misplaced Pages as of February having commenced some post graduate study. I don't know who this IServoian is or who these IPs are. Had I been involved in this move request I would have found it a difficult choice. As the closing admin said, there were good arguments on both sides. Sander Säde had strong arguments and voted against the move, so did Jaan Pärn and he voted for the move. They are both Estonians and I respect them both, I even gave Jaan the Estonian Award of National Merit, you can see it on his user page. Termer had strong arguments against but voted weak support, while M.K voted emphatically against. Illythr voted weak support but couldn't see the how the new name is any more neutral or even different than the old one. Clearly there isn't any consensus even amongst the Baltic editors. At the end of the day, being a Tasmanian Baltophile, I don't think I would have taken a position one way or another on this because of this non-consensus amongst these Baltic editors. --Martin (talk) 08:58, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

I am busy with my 98 year old mother in and out of the hospital and the nursing home who yesterday told me she wants to be left alone to die. I don't have time for this crap, which is the main reason I have not filed an appeal of my topic ban as this sort of crap (see also the feeding frenzy attacking Biophys) is all I continue to see regarding "discourse" on how to represent the Soviet legacy in the Eastern European space. And I have never engaged in sockpuppets, meatpuppets, etc. though I have been routinely accused of doing so by those who do it themselves. More of bad faith attacks on editors to push POV. Nothing has improved since my topic hiatus, apparently.  PЄTЄRS VЄСRUМВА ►talk  13:09, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

I invite Igny to reconsider and retract this personal attack.  PЄTЄRS VЄСRUМВА ►talk  13:24, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

"Justified suspicion" based on what? Your umbrella of "justified" suspicion allows you to attack anyone who agrees with someone else to disagree with your personal version of history.  PЄTЄRS VЄСRUМВА ►talk  16:41, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Notice, not caring who "I" used. Crap and gall with heaping helpings of self-righteousness, more of the same old, alas. I take it, Igny, this means my invitation for reconciliation is rejected.  PЄTЄRS VЄСRUМВА ►talk  17:11, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

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