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List of Jim's Pranks

Why? There is no article about Jim's Pranks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ThurstAsh13 (talk • contribs) 00:29, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

There's no article about my house either, or the street I live on. Misplaced Pages isn't a database of everything that exists. There are limits as to what subjects are suitable for an encyclopedia, which are stated explicitly at WP:NOT and incorporated into other polices and guidelines. I referenced the relevant policies and guidelines at the AfD, you should read over those pages to see the issues that they cover and how to avoid them. ThemFromSpace 00:33, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

May I atleast add it on to Jim's wiki, since it has to do with him pretty much? —Preceding unsigned comment added by ThurstAsh13 (talk • contribs) 00:34, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

You should see how the AfD plays out (it is a week long discussion about whether the article should be deleted - for more information read over this page). You're welcome to comment there stating why you wish to keep the article and any suggestions you have for it. You may also be able to post it on http://theoffice.wikia.com if the article doesn't violate their manual of style or other guidelines. I'm not familiar with that site though so I can't provide any help with that process. ThemFromSpace 00:40, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

re AIV and Soulkiss2008

I have blocked the ip for 55 hours, but I do not see any point in blocking Soulkiss2008 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). The autoblock on their account would expire in 24 hours, and they could then make ip edits, and they have not edited since 2008. If you really want to pursue the matter you might take it to WP:SPI, although the age of the named account means there can be no CU. LessHeard vanU (talk) 23:00, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

That's good reasoning. I'll just keep an eye out for the appearance of the link. ThemFromSpace 23:04, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Please look at Ignacio Bunye

user "Aronsay" is reverting again??!! - I dont know if this is already vandalism? - I tried to talk to him in the discussion and at his page, but he is ignorant. Regards Plehn (talk) 12:45, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Yea, I find it too frustrating to edit-war with people unwilling to engage in discussion. I reread the article and there really isn't any negative information, just a disregard for citations and our MOS. I tagged the article for cleanup, but I won't continue to revert back. ThemFromSpace 21:37, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! - it is ridicoulus - he also uploaded pictures in the commons, that are not selfmade. Plehn (talk) 10:49, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

tb

smithers - talk 03:30, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Lasco Jamaica

I added some references to Lasco Jamaica. You may wish to revisit Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Lasco Jamaica. – Eastmain (talk) 05:11, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Nice find. I closed the debate early due to the added sources you found. The dead links didn't show up in any searches; now that I'm aware of them I think the group has significant coverage. ThemFromSpace 05:26, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Re:Gaga ELs

WP:EL states All external links must conform to certain formatting restrictions. Some acceptable links include those that contain further research that is accurate and on-topic, information that could not be added to the article for reasons such as copyright or amount of detail, or other meaningful, relevant content that is not suitable for inclusion in an article for reasons unrelated to its accuracy. None of the Els I added to the Gaga articles are outside this and I see no reason to remove them. They are related to the article, provide information, but cannot be used in the article. Hence they are in the ELs. Also Material that violates the copyrights of others per contributors' rights and obligations should not be linked - Everything I added is from the official recording company of the artist, so not a copyright vio. Also as per WP:ELNO, I don't see any of those links added, violating it. So thank you for your concern, but no. --Legolas 06:06, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

You don't seem to understand how consensus operates. If you say one thing, and several editors say another, you do not get your way. I've replied to the thread at ELN. I'd like you to try to keep the centralised there, for now. ThemFromSpace 06:09, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

And you donot seem to check before commenting. Again, stating in the politest way possible, next time check before you comment on something. --Legolas 06:24, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Thank you very much...

...for this. It brings a great deal of clarity to a situation that was hitherto lacking it. Steve Smith (talk) 08:51, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome. ThemFromSpace 08:53, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

responded on my user talk:skakkle

how's yer machine doin now? regards n-dimensional §кakkl€ 16:23, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Goodbye

As it has become painfully obvious, my contributions are no longer welcome or needed here. In light of this situation, I am leaving this screwed up bureaucracy for the conceivable future. Good luck, my friend and keep fighting the good fight. ILLEGITIMUS NON CARBORUNDUM WuhWuzDat 02:33, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

You shouldn't leave because of one situation; that's absurd! Look over the thousands of helpful edits that you have made and weigh them against one incident where a few editors think you screwed up. If a consensus develops that you have handled a particular situation incorrectly, learn from the mistake and move on with things. Don't get hung up over it. The encyclopedia stands a lot to gain from your continued editing, and I really wish to see you back here soon. If you are burning out and your experience is more aggravating than rewarding, a short wikibreak may help to clear your mind. My email is also available if you need someone to rant to offwiki. ThemFromSpace 08:15, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Community de-Adminship - finalization poll for the CDA proposal

After tolling up the votes in the revision proposals, it emerged that 5.4 had the most support, but elements of that support remained unclear, and various comments throughout the polls needed consideration.

A finalisation poll (intended, if possible, to be one last poll before finalising the CDA proposal) has been run to;

• gather opinion on the 'consensus margin' (what percentages, if any, have the most support) and

• ascertain whether there is support for a 'two-phase' poll at the eventual RfC (not far off now), where CDA will finally be put to the community. Matt Lewis (talk) 01:03, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Chabad movement evidence

Would you please look at Misplaced Pages talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Chabad movement/Evidence and rewrite/reformat as and if appropriate your evidence to answer Fritzpoll? Thanks. On behalf of the Arbitration Committee Dougweller (talk) 18:28, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Familiarity with policy

I saw this. Have you actually read WP:CANVASS? --John (talk) 19:21, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Yes I have, and I'm also familiar with proper practices for advertising RfAs. The behaviour surrounding this one is very inappropriate. ThemFromSpace 21:01, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Which part of the policy would you say it contravened? --John (talk) 17:21, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Oh, I put a response up on the talk page of the RfA. I think that should explain my position. RfA's are very sensitive in nature so any sort of unusual advertising is liable to bias the results. Since they are one of the most participated-in forums here, there is no need to advertise them at all. This is why I take a very loose view of WP:CANVASS when it comes to RfAs, looking at the spirit of the guidelines and seeing what they prevent (gaming the system). ThemFromSpace 17:47, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for clarifying that your oppose was not based on policy but on your own idea of what policy should be. --John (talk) 18:50, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Ok. We can agree to disagree, but you shouldn't hound me like this. Please stop. ThemFromSpace 19:31, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Prod

Hi - re: that prod at Exquisite, how would you feel about a transwiki to the wiktionary definition... either that, or I'm thinking that this should be a G3 because the whole reason the definition was up there was because someone wanted to tell a girl they were purdy... What do you think?  7  06:30, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure if it meets a G3 after you removed the name, but a transwiki would be ok. I don't really know how to perform them myself, though. ThemFromSpace 06:33, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

The syntax for transwiki is pretty easy - #REDIRECT ], but I'm still going to see if an admin will G3 because that name should really be out out of the history. Thanks for the reply.  7  06:37, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Cool, thanks for the code. ThemFromSpace 07:39, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Discussion invitation

You are probably surprised to see this invitation, but your idea is by far the best one of the entire BLP RFC, (I added your idea to the top of our discussion group) so I would be foolish not to ask for your input. I am asking editors who are leaders to comment first to get this discussion going. Ikip 22:38, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

		The Socratic Barnstar
		The Socratic Barnstar is awarded to those editors who are extremely skilled and eloquent in their arguments. This barnstar is awarded to Themfromspace for his incredible idea at Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Biographies of living people, which has the potential to be a compromise for all parties. Thank you so much for your contributions to this effort. Ikip 22:38, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Click here to automatically add this project to your watchlist

Hi Themfromspace, I would like to invite you and anyone watching who shares an interest in moving forward constructively to a discussion about Biographies of Living People

New editor's lack of understanding of Misplaced Pages processes has resulted in thousands of BLPs being created over the last few years that do not meet BLP requirements. We are currently seeking constructive proposals on how to help newcomers better understand what is expected, and how to improve some 48,000 articles about living people as created by those 17,500 editors, through our proper cleanup, expansion, and sourcing. These constructive proposals might then be considered by the community as a whole at Misplaced Pages talk:Requests for comment/Biographies of living people. Please help us: >> User:Ikip/Discussion about creation of possible Wikiproject:New Users and BLPs <<

Thanks for the barnstar. What makes your proposed project different from the current RfC? They both look like they are forums for entertaining ideas on how to solve the "BLP problem"? If you want to organize these ideas through a WikiProject, which I think is a good idea, have you considered using the current WikiProject Living People? That could use a bit of revitalization and I believe your proposals fall under its scope. ThemFromSpace 05:45, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

(refactored invitation) I was being genuine, your idea is wonderful.

Why this side page?

As someone said on the page in question, this is like during a conference, where editors can step away in a small conference room, and reevaluate where everyone stands, and brain storm. The RFC is too big now. WikiProject Living People is a good idea. feel free to post this on the user page, I would do that myself, but I don't want to offend :).Ikip 18:41, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

I created a pretty graph based on someone elses idea, which unified a lot of ideas, here what do you think? Do you think the community would want to do it? Ikip 02:59, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

It looks like an awfully big change and the community is very wary of big changes and additional bureaucracy. Again I suggest bringing it up at the RfC or some other prominent location. There other editors can critique it and you can get a rough idea of what sort of consensus will get behind it. I'd also suggest taking the non-BLPs out of the proposal for now. There's enough drama just deciding what to do about living people.

I'm still not sure if I'm going to take up your offer to comment in your userspace draft. I'm trying to stay out of this whole BLP shitstorm and lay off the drama. I advise you, and everyone else as well, to do the same and to stay within the established processes as much as possible. For example, I see you've recently been blocked for mass-posting. Fighting fire with fire here isn't going to win you any brownie points, especially with arbcom strongly favoring the out-of-process (and, in my opinion, disruptive) deletions. Don't let your emotions get the better of you. ThemFromSpace 04:00, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Good advice, I appreciate it. I was hoping to get a few editors critique it before throwing it to the wolves, and for that, I appreciate your comments.

I will make it explicitly BLP only.

Good advice on behavior too. thanks again have a nice weekend if I dont talk to you before.

Wife and I are going to look at a house before work, so I need to crash :/ Ikip 04:21, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

When you said "Create a sort of "holding tank" for all uncited BLP articles" what did you envision? How could I cut away some of this bureaucracy to more closely resemble your proposal? thanks. Ikip 04:25, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Well it was sort of thinking-out-loud. A separate project space would probably be needed, with perhaps a Wikiproject or some other coordinated task force devoted to them. Some other editors mentioned the article incubator, although I think this would detract from its current task, but the concept is the same. The point is that they would be moved, without redirect, away from the mainspace and catalogued somewhere for spot-checking. The pagemoves would probably need an adminbot but I think the rest can be done without much change to the current system. ThemFromSpace 10:21, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

That is exactly what I was thinking, maybe another wikiproject (WP:new page patrol)? (I hate to create a new one just for this)

RE: "The point is that they would be moved, without redirect" exactly, and in the deletion reason, it would state where the article is.

RE: "away from the mainspace and cataloged somewhere for spot-checking." I agree fully, a new category tag would potentially take care of this.

I removed my graph, which was created and based on another editors graph, it distracted from everything and was too complex, but it envisioned all the ideas you give here.

Flatscan did some initial, valuable research on the history of your proposals, so we know the weaknesses of these proposals.

Flonight, Fram, MichaelQSchmidt and DGG have commented, I would really love if you share your ideas there. I was so pleasantly surprised to see your proposal, it gave me hope, and it actually inspired me to want to create this side project to pool ideas and see the feasibility of them. We have different views on Misplaced Pages, but we both agree in substance to this proposal, which is promising. Ikip 16:18, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Is this a little what you had in mind: User_talk:Ikip/Discussion_about_creation_of_possible_Wikiproject:New_Users_and_BLPs#Steps Thanks :) Ikip 20:47, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Yes, that looks about right. The details have to be trimmed up of course, but that would be something for a community discussion. Sorry about the late replys and the lack of participation, I've been rather busy lately. ThemFromSpace 03:52, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for reply, I am wondering if much of this can be done without incubation/"projectfication", which so many people don't like, for example: Notifying wikiprojects Ikip 16:04, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

My suggestion cut down even more

Please review this "projectification" proposal, to see if it is feasible. Harsh criticism is very welcome! better now than later. I am looking to remedy any potential objections by the community. Your opinion is especially vital as someone who has different views than me, but still proposed a kind of userfication idea.

Thanks. Okip (formerly Ikip) 03:08, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Wikiout

WuhWuzDat 23:32, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

I dread the consequences, but I'll think about it. ThemFromSpace 00:47, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

PS: It's nice to see you back. ThemFromSpace 00:59, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Open Watcom Assembler

Hi, Themfromspace. Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/JWASM, a discussion in which you participated, was closed as redirect to Open Watcom Assembler. Open Watcom Assembler has now been nominated for deletion due to notability concerns. If you would like to participate in the discussion, please comment at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Open Watcom Assembler. Thanks, Cunard (talk) 09:16, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello. You have a new message at Swarm's talk page.

Participation at my RfA

Thank you for taking the time to weigh in on my RfA. It was successful, in that the community's wish not to grant me the tools at this time was honored. I'm taking all the comments as constructive feedback and hope to become more valuable to the project as a result; I've also discovered several new areas in which to work. Because debating the merits of a candidate can be taxing on the heart and brain, I offer this kitten as a low-allergen, low-stress token of my appreciation. --otherlleft 14:15, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Re: Twitter links

Hi. I'm sorry, I didn't realize that Twitter links were against WP:EL. I'll go back and revert the pages I added links to. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spencerz (talk • contribs) 01:08, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your RfA Participation

Themfromspace - Thanks for your participation in my recent successful RfA. Although you did not express confidence or trust in me, the community did and as you are an equal part of that community, deFacto your confidence and trust in me is much appreciated. As a new admin I will try hard to keep from wading in too deep over the tops of my waders, nor shall I let the Buffalo intimidate me.--Mike Cline (talk) 10:08, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your editing change and helpful reply

Greetings Themfromspace. Just a quick not regarding the recent edit on the List of YouTube personalities page and a thank you for the instruction. Signed, Dr. Strangelove 03:38, 15 February 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mstrangelove (talk • contribs)

Spoiler

Please don't spoil the project by removing links others find useful. If others find them useful, then they probably are, whether you think so or not. Stikko (talk) 22:16, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Please read over our external links guidelines as well as our policy that Misplaced Pages is not a repository for links to see why we don't allow long sections of links to grow in our articles. There are a lot of things that some readers might find useful that go beyond the scope of Misplaced Pages. If any of the material within the links is of an encyclopedic nature, you are welcome to add that material to the article and cite the link as a reference. ThemFromSpace 22:21, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Employee scheduling software

I don't understand why the link I posted was removed, when I am linking to a free schedule management software application -> When on the exact same page there are links to paid applications.. What have they done differently to merit inclusion, that my link doesn't? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.242.7.210 (talk) 00:55, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Hi, we don't link to specific examples in articles about general subjects, which is why I removed the link you entered. I went ahead and removed the other links as well, thanks for bringing them to my attention. This link was brought to my attention due to a recent paid editing request from elance dot com. Please note that Misplaced Pages is not to be used as a vehicle for promotion or advertising, nor do we accept spam. ThemFromSpace 01:03, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

I understand - okay, but wouldn't having a company bio on my company be fine then? There are millions of bio's of companies on wikipedia. An example of one in the same space as my business shiftplanning is here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/Shiftboard

I wanted my business to be also on wikipedia, which is why I create the outsource job, as I'm not a writer myself, and don't know all the ins/outs to writing on wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.242.7.210 (talk) 02:21, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Right - so a encyclopedic contribution with the bio of my company, written to follow the guidelines by Misplaced Pages would be fine then. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.242.7.210 (talk) 14:42, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Hi, first of all it is nearly impossible to write a neutral article about a company when you are in a conflict of interest, and doing so will likely lead to a promotional-sounding article.

That being said, our formal guideline for inclusion is notability. In a nutshell, if your corporation has already been written about in reliable third-party sources (press releases and other info put out by the company doesn't count), then most likely some sort of article may exist on Misplaced Pages. This article can't be a promotional puff piece, nor should it exist for the purposes of advertising; rather it should be an encyclopedic exploration of the company's significance within the real world. The example that you point to, Shiftboard, has already been subject to a deletion discussion, and that's even with it being mentioned in the Seattle Times and New York Times! Just at a quick glance, I can't find any articles like that which talk about shiftplanning, so at this time I'm thinking that it probably doesn't pass our notability guidelines. ThemFromSpace 22:44, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the good response. I understand the difference now, and will wait. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.242.7.210 (talk) 03:53, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

User talk:Pbhavesh

Hi. You may be interested in the progress of the discussion you started at User talk:Pbhavesh.   — Jeff G. ツ 06:03, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Main Image of Penis Article

What do you think about changing opening picture of the Penis article to a better one? Your opinion needed. Thanks! Yestadae (talk) 08:34, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Why do you ask my opinion in particular? I don't ever remember editing that article. I took a look over the pictures and both appear to be applicable to the article, so I don't really have a preference. ThemFromSpace 09:09, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Sorry that disturbed you. I found you in page's talk archive, where you were mention main image in some way. Yestadae (talk) 12:41, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Help (Sevan Aydinian)

HELP. I'm new to this and couldn't figure out how to start a new post. So I think I'm putting this in the wrong post, but.... I'm wondering why you gave Sevan Aydinian a Conflict of Interest/unbalanced mark? Somebody else posted it and then I made a slight edit and it got that mark. I feel terrible because I feel like it's my fault now. How do I remove this? I went through it and verified all the facts and took out all opinions. Can you email me please? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Massmarkpro (talk • contribs) 18:53, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Hi, I found that article from a paid-editing request on an external site. I didn't flag it for the conflict of interest just because you were editing it but because when an article is created through paid-editing it automatically adds a financial conflict of interest to the matter. ThemFromSpace 19:22, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Oh ok, where is the link to ad? And how do i make the article normal? or is it there for the rest of eternity? lol —Preceding unsigned comment added by Massmarkpro (talk • contribs) 06:48, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Hi, there really aren't any rules for removing the COI tag, basically if an editor feels that the article doesn't look like it was written with a conflict of interest it can be contested, but this shouldn't be the editor that the tag was aimed at. It might not be there for eternity, but it will be there until the article is fixed. The key guidelines here are WP:COI (conflict of interest) and WP:NPOV (neutral point of view) as well as WP:PROMOTION (Misplaced Pages shouldn't be used for promotional purposes). ThemFromSpace 05:37, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

By the way, I just found the link to the editing request. It was hard to find again because it's a two step problem. The link is here and the key is when you google the project creator's screenname you get a YouTube channel advertising thetravelingpoet dot com, which was prominently mentioned in the article. ThemFromSpace 19:04, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Terrible! I wish I got paid for the research and writing I've done. I probably know just as much about him as the writer. Oh well. So how can I 'clean it up'? Can you give me some guidance? Will that count as point towards me if I clean up my first-article? I figure, why not start with someone I'm passionate about. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Massmarkpro (talk • contribs) 20:25, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

HELLOOO??? I need help on what to do since you created this. I've cleaned up the article. There is only verifiable facts in there. Now how do I finish this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.56.42.124 (talk) 14:56, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

simply turn on flagged revs in the form that the Germans use it

User talk:Jimbo Wales/poll. Thought you maybe interested in this. "Whether we should ask the Foundation to simply turn on flagged revs in the form that the Germans use it." Okip 13:01, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Oh boy, another poll. I'll look this over. ThemFromSpace 05:38, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Blook

Where do you propose one should write about a magazine called blook other than the entry 'blook' ? Isn't it inherant that an encyclopedia can have multiple definitions for the same term? BAMPFADesign (talk) 17:17, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Hi, yes this is possible. Usually when this happens on Misplaced Pages we add what's called a disambiguation to the end of the title. So the general idea of what a blook is goes at Blook and the magazine entitled Blook would go at Blook (magazine). For example look at Time and Time (magazine). Also before you start writing your article, you should look over our general notability guideline to see if the magazine is notable enough for inclusion. In a nutshell, if the magazine hasn't recieved significant attention in reliable, third-party sources, it will be very hard to write an objective, verifiable article about it. ThemFromSpace 05:44, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Roe v. Wade

No problem. It's a new template so I'm just trying to gauge people's reactions. I agree that it added very little to Roe v. Wade, but in the slightly different context of Morse v. Frederick I find that it really clarifies the presentation. It worked exceedingly well at Callisto. Andrew Gradman /_WP:Hornbook 07:44, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

OK. Our article on Roe is FA status so its probably not the best one to experiment with since it has to meet our tight guidelines, such as those prescribing the article's lead. I still personally prefer the older versions of the other articles, but I'll leave it up to the editors there to decide what goes best. You could also see what the consensus is at WikiProject law for incorporating this template. ThemFromSpace 07:50, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

COI Question

Hi ThemFromSpace. Looks like a few edits have been made to address your COI tag on Leonard_L._Northrup_Jr.. There's an interesting response on the talk page from the author of a related bio. It looks like all references to the author(s) have been removed, and there seem to be references to at least four secondary sources (although poorly formatted).

What do you think? I know you DGAF, but in my opinion the subject seems noteworthy enough (go solar energy!) to warrant inclusion. Any suggestions on how to make the article better?

Wikitaco444 (talk) 19:42, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

I still say the article needs a complete rewrite but sure, if you're working on it I don't see why the tag has to be there. You could have removed it yourself with the note that you were improving the article. ThemFromSpace 19:00, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

A mistake?

Mistake? Sole Soul (talk) 08:59, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Yes, thanks for catching that. ThemFromSpace 18:33, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Removal of link question

Hi, I was the person who added the link to a review for the new Mumford and Sons album. I read that you removed it because it was a deadlink and that you thought there was a possibility that it was probably not a professional review. I apologise if the link I originally posted was not working, maybe I copied it wrong or perhaps the page wasn't loading correctly which sometimes happens. However, I want to assure you that the link I posted was to a professional review. Altsounds is an online magazine which has a team of staff that write professional reviews. While it is true that they encourage non staff members to express their opinions on music, the review link I posted here was written by a professional staff member. I understand that AltSounds may not have the following of a magazine like NME for example but it does have thousands of readers and it covers mostly non mainstream music. It is not a blog site for example in which one person is reviewing a particular album. If this was the case, I would completely understand the removal of the link. Mumford and sons are not a pop band so it is natural that some of the professional reviews will be conducted by slightly more eclectic magazines like Altsounds and after all, some of us readers like to read reviews from independent magazines, it allows for a more well rounded opinion. Furthermore, I made sure that there were less than 10 reviews before I posted the link. I just wanted to clarify that I am not a spammer and that I did not try to use wikipedia for promotion but because I believed and still believe the review deserves a place here. I hope now that I've explained it more clearly that you will be willing to rethink its removal. Here is the link again, in case you do decide to repost it: http://hangout.altsounds.com/reviews/115406-mumford-and-sons-sigh-no-more-album.html?highlight=mumford+sons

Many thanks for your time reading through all that :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.1.168.102 (talk) 20:43, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Ok, I checked the link and it is working now. Before when I checked the entire website was down. I still don't think the reviews are "professional" but I brought it up for questioning at the external links noticeboard. You're welcome to participate in the discussion there as well. ThemFromSpace 22:53, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

David Karoly - SlowTV and linkspam

I'm going taking responsibility for this one at least. It is a very relevant and rather indepth interview of the old-style interview type (ie. focus on the interviewee rather than the interviewer).

I'll look at the others (within the area where i can tell whether it is good or not) - if they are as good as this one - then i suspect that i will reinsert them.

Comments?--Kim D. Petersen (talk) 13:44, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

What i'm really asking i guess is that if the site gets blacklisted that you are aware that at least one legit usage should be excepted ;-) --Kim D. Petersen (talk) 14:34, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Ok, I reverted the links because they were mass-spammed by a user who did nothing but promote the website. If there are any specific exceptions that should remain in the articles by all means go ahead and reinsert them. ThemFromSpace 20:05, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

removal of slowTV links

hi there, I have reverted your removal of the SlowTV links on the pages Germaine Greer and Anna Funder. I understand why you have removed the links as it is clearly linkspamming by one particular editor, but some of these links actually add value to the articles you have removed them from. I had never heard of SlowTV until you removed the links, but looking at the site it seems to hold a really good collection of videos of Australian intellectuals and authors speaking about interesting and relevant topics. They should not be removed from pages just because they are linkspam - you need to look at them to see whether they actually are valuable for the article. Those are my thoughts on the issue. I would be interested in your response. Best wishes. Jenafalt (talk) 20:27, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

As is our policy, we do remove links just because they were added en mass. Misplaced Pages is not to be used as a vehicle for promotion and mass spam should be reverted on sight. See our spam guideline: "Adding external links to an article or user page for the purpose of promoting a website or a product is not allowed, and is considered to be spam. Although the specific links may be allowed under some circumstances, repeatedly adding links will in most cases result in all of them being removed." This prevents certain websites from being promoted beyond what they would through natural editing. If you want to use the material in the interviews, instead of linking externally, it is better if you would incorporate the material that was said in the interview into the article and cite the interview as a reference. ThemFromSpace 20:31, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

St. Johns River ELs

Hey, I think the Friends of Lake Woodruff is a nonprofit organization, and not necessarily spam. There are ELs to Friends of the Everglades and some conversation organizations on the Everglades page. --Moni3 (talk) 20:37, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

That website is irrelevant to the articles that it is being placed on. See WP:ELNO point 13: "Sites that are only indirectly related to the article's subject: the link should be directly related to the subject of the article. A general site that has information about a variety of subjects should usually not be linked to from an article on a more specific subject. Similarly, a website on a specific subject should usually not be linked from an article about a general subject. If a section of a general website is devoted to the subject of the article, and meets the other criteria for linking, then that part of the site could be deep linked." I would say that those other ELs that you mentioned should be looked into as well. Are they links to the organisation's home page? If so they don't belong. Are they links to pages within the site that add encyclopedic material in a way that we cannot write into our articles? If so, then they are valid.

Also note that spam is not only commercial. One can linkspam the Red Cross in an undue manner just as one can do so with Wal-Mart. ThemFromSpace 20:41, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Little Typo

Little Typo on your user page Mlpearc MESSAGE 16:59, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Oh, where's that? I looked over it again but couldn't find it. That being said, I do admit that I'm terrible at spelling and could have easily missed something. :\ ThemFromSpace 20:30, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

"Your Dream become" Mlpearc MESSAGE 20:37, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

To be honest I'm worest...... Mlpearc MESSAGE 20:38, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Selahattin Ülkümen

Hi, I don't really understand what you did with this article, I guess you know that a history cleanup of the article is necessary in order to remove the copyvio, right?--Kimdime (talk) 22:32, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Oh, I'm sorry. I'm rather rusty with copyright violations. I was going off of a line in Misplaced Pages:Copyright violations which says "If there is no such older version, you may be able to re-write the page from scratch". Does that not apply here? ThemFromSpace 22:44, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

What I suggest you to do : 1)you save your new version somewhere in your pages 2) I ask an admin to delete the page 3) Once this is done you'll be able to put again your version. Regards.--Kimdime (talk) 23:04, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

But wouldn't that ruin the attribution history of the article? I didn't write the lead but if I ported it elsewhere and restarted the article it would look like I did. ThemFromSpace 23:40, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

If you add the names of the main editors on the discussion page, then the licence will be respected.--Kimdime (talk) 00:07, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Ok, I'll do that. ThemFromSpace 00:14, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

I copied the article to User:Themfromspace/Selahattin_Ülkümen and added the attribution history (excepting the original contributor). I'm still not sure why I can't blank out copyrighted information, such as one reverts copyrighted information when it is added to a preexisting article. I'll move that version over to the mainspace if/when the other article is deleted. ThemFromSpace 00:30, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Hi, an admin deleted the history exept from your version and I credited the authors on discussion page, end of the problem. Regards--Kimdime (talk) 12:26, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

You're invited to Misplaced Pages Takes Philadelphia

You're invited to the
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April 11, 2010
Time: 12 pm
Location: Drexel Quad (33rd and Market)
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Misplaced Pages Takes Philadelphia is a photo scavenger hunt and free content photography contest to be held all around Philadelphia aimed at illustrating Misplaced Pages articles.

Scheduled for Sunday, April 11, 2010, the check-in location will be at the Drexel University quad (between Chestnut and Market, 33rd and 32nd) at noon, and the ending party and photo uploading (location to be announced) will be at 6 PM. To reach the Drexel quad, walk south from Market Street at 32nd Street into the campus.

This has been an automated delivery by BrownBot (talk) 15:09, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Heidegger article

I noticed that you'd commented recently on additions to the protected Martin Heidegger article. I'd appreciate your opinion on the following as a replacement for the last sentence of the lead section, and particularly whether you think it might help to resolve the edit-war. I'd like to avoid adding to the mess on the article's talk page.

In my view, the above should render it a moot point whether 'Nazi' and/or 'National Socialist' are then used elsewhere in the text. I don't believe that the edit-war will be resolved by range blocks, bans or by protecting articles. Subsequently, I'd like to find a compromise between the two warring factions that's nonetheless balanced and accurate. I'm familiar with a number of politically and socially controversial philosophers, and avoiding terms such as 'Nazi' for "emotive" reasons, which I think was the original explanation given for its removal, and the ensuing war, is not a balanced or valid way of reporting them. If I can make any progress, I'll then make a suggestion on the article's talk page and hopefully we end this. Thanks!  Mephistophelian (talk ● contributions) 21:09, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

PRODed articles

This is to notify you that some articles you PROD2ed have been contested by someone writing into OTRS. They are:

• Law of Importance
• Emotional fingerprint
• i-ology

In accordance with PROD policy, they have been undeleted. You may wish to nominate them for AFD. Please note that if you reply and want me to see your reply, you will need to leave it on my talk page as I am not watching this page. Stifle (talk) 09:48, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Removal of lifelong claim for Sevan Aydinian

After weeks of trying to clear it with Rod, the article IS cleared up. However, you'd have to remove the conflict of interest title you placed on the article. There is no evidence of direct connections and over 20 verified links. The 'unbalanced' status has already been cleared. We just need you to remove the Conflict of Interest and the article will be fully clear. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Massmarkpro (talk • contribs) 16:49, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

There are still many problems with the article, I'll list a few on Talk:Sevan Aydinian. If you can't find sources for information then the article will need to be heavily trimmed. Smartse (talk) 17:08, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Could we now discuss this on Talk:Sevan Aydinian rather than on separate talk pages? Smartse (talk) 17:16, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Re CSD-A10 on Misplaced Pages:SIMILARTREATMENTISVALID

You may actually be technically correct, but I removed a PROD on this which was headlined PROPOSED FOR DELETION ONLY APPLIES TO ARTICLES (or something to that effect). When I changed to the CSD-A10 there was no such warning. Given that this essay is an exact duplicate of another essay seems to suggest that CSD-A10 is valid rationale to delete it. Absent a PROD or CSD, I don't think an AfD (which is the only other alternative) is appropriate. My inclination is that it's deletion via CSD-A10 won't break WP. Maybe someone smarter than us will enlighten us otherwise! or Not!--Mike Cline (talk) 23:02, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

• Ok. If the CSD isn't accepted a redirect may be a quick fix instead of a week long MfD. ThemFromSpace 23:05, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Adminship

Hello Themfromspace.
You seem like an experienced user, so if you'd like, I'd be happy to nominate you to administrator! Regards, --The High Fin Sperm Whale 19:15, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for considering me. I'll need to get back to you about this, although I'm currently leaning on declining due to the stress involved with RfA's over controversial candidates (which I would probably be). ThemFromSpace 19:45, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Endorsing prod

I endorsed your prod of Top Ten Spiderman Villains. I wish they had a WP:CSD for this.--mono 05:48, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

AfD

re: Alexander Fiske-Harrison You might want to look at, for example, the 10,000-word profile of him in The Times. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.97.52.15 (talk) 13:36, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Betting Arbitrage

Please explain to me how Sports Arbitrage Guide is not relvent to the article on Betting Arbitrage? It provides details about betting arbitrage well above and beyond that possible in the betting arbitrage article, and does not conflict with any of the rules stated in wikipedia article editing. It is an independant free information resource on precisely the topic that the article is about.

If you look at the article on Arbitrage, you find links to Arbitrage related articles - why not in betting arbitrage? Why is it suddenly SPAM?

The fact is, only ONE person has been removing the link repeatedly, and has never once justified his reason for doing so, other than a vague reference to the guidelines, and not actually explaining what guideline the link crosses.

please explain this to me... John0912 (talk) 08:21, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Talkback

Jayjg 20:51, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Physical address is can not be verified

Hey Them, have a look at these contributions; you are involved because, apparently, you are crazy. ;) Drmies (talk) 05:04, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

That's an odd pattern of editing, to say the least. ThemFromSpace 08:51, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Buy Here Pay Here

Hello Themfromspace I am the original poster of the Buy Here Pay Here page to which you have made edits. I work for an auto dealership that owns a buy here pay here company. This is my first time making a Misplaced Pages page. Obviously I was a little overzealous with some of the things I posted. We use and especially like autopalonline.com software, but I don't necessarily need a reference to it on the page. I would like some specific references if possible, from what I have read outside links are discouraged in the article. I would also like to make the article as good as it can be. What would you recommend I do to improve this article? I have read a fair amount about wikipedia posting since I created the page, but I have very little practical wikipedia experience.

Thanks ~Amorrise —Preceding unsigned comment added by Amorrise (talk • contribs) 21:43, 20 April 2010 (UTC)