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• that a reviewer identified an "audible contempt" for men in the songs of Ceechynaa, who entered the UK singles chart earlier this month with "Peggy? I fail to see how this does not "unduly focus on negative aspects of living person". I'd think contempt for half the populace is a negative thing. Pinging Launchballer and Jolielover. Sincerely, Dilettante 00:34, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Not undue; she is literally notable for songs about that. Otherwise, "that the "Peggy" musician Ceechynaa worked in the sex industry before her music career?" should work instead. Pinging also @Crisco 1492 and Z1720:.--Launchballer 00:54, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

• Yeah, I wouldn't call that "undue", or even necessarily negative. Same reason I'd expect a bon mot like "a woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle" to be allowed for a blurb for Irina Dunn or Gloria Steinem. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 01:01, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Seconding this; the hook also specifically refers to songs by her which should not be a violation. jolielover♥talk 09:20, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

This is a blatant breach of WP:DYKBLP. Her having a "contempt for men" is not something that sources widely agree on, and is clearly a negative description of her, so is unudue negativity in a DYK Hook. There is no issue with having it in the article, where it sits in context, but not as a standalone one-liner on the main page. Not keen on focusing on her work in the sex industry either for similar reasons. I've amended to mention the review which is more positive sounding "proudly waving the sexual liberation flag". If this is no good then I think a pull might be the only other option.  — Amakuru (talk) 09:58, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

For the future, I'd also point out that we've got a MOS:SAID violation here: we shouldn't use "identified X" for a subjective judgement, but a more subjective phrase like "considered", "believed", "judged", "opined" or so on. "Identified" implies that we are endorsing this judgement. UndercoverClassicist 14:42, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

• ... that nearly 300 construction workers showed up to work at 8 am to continue building reactors 5 and 6, unaware of the Chernobyl disaster? The source reads "Despite the disaster unfolding next door at 8am that morning, the 286 construction workers of the day shift clocked on." I can't find any mention as to whether the workers were aware, though it's possible the reference didn't fully load for me. Pinging Hawkeye7 and Bollardant. Sincerely, Dilettante 00:34, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

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• At "more than 3000 years" maybe insert comma in 3000 per all over thousands in blurb? JennyOz (talk) 09:22, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

   Done  — Amakuru (talk) 10:01, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

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Main Page Bias

I'm a little dismayed at the pro-Earth bias apparent on the Main Page today. Can we please feature some articles about extraterrestrial topics like astronomical phenomena, interstellar cultures, and Madonna? Aylad 12:24, 22 April 2010 (UTC) Happy Earth Day!

meh i'll accept a little pro-earth bias on earth day. we have extra-terrestrials on main page all the time -- Ashish-g55 13:14, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Even worse is the complete lack of independent third party coverage in reliable sources. A Google search brings up only Earth-based sources created by people with a clear conflict of interest. The fact that off-Earth sources devote only two words to their coverage of the topic clearly show that it is non-notable. I would nominate it for deletion but I already know that the discussion will be completely overtaken by a bunch of meat-puppets all !voting keep. ;) Zunaid 13:35, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

I knew it. I just knew that the smart-alecks would be out on this one... I should have been faster to get in here! Tony Fox (arf!) 20:30, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Meh. I've argued about Misplaced Pages's terracentrism before. It always falls on deaf ears.--Fyre2387 22:11, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

I'd vote to delete it. A. Vogon 21:58, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

137.22.11.102 (talk) 16:53, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Surely somebody could drum up some sources written by Xenu. Woogee (talk) 22:26, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Well, it seems somebody heard you. Fixman 01:35, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Main page gender bias

Please note discussion at VPP#Main page gender bias. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 12:24, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Regarding the in the news section

It would look better to say in Bangkok Thailand, rather than in Bangkok and than latter in Thailand.--Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 16:24, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Personally I disagree- I think it clarifies that there is ongoing disturbance in Thailand. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:46, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Have to agree. Bangkok, Thailand is unnecessary if the location of Thailand is clear from the line and it is. And the part about "tension between anti- and pro-government protesters in Thailand." helps clarify that the problems exists outside of Bangkok. If we just said "A series of explosions in Bangkok, Thailand kills at least one person and injures 86 others during a peak in tension between anti- and pro-government protesters" it seems to imply the problem is restricted to Bangkok and IMHO isn't as well worded as the current anyway. Nil Einne (talk) 12:11, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Note that this is also a bit of a English variety-dependent style issue. Common practice in the US is to disambiguate by default, e.g. add the comma separated country unless it seems overly redundant. In Britain, the default is to omit disambiguation, unless there is a genuine concern for confusion. If you are from the US, you're more used to seeing the phrase "Bangkok, Thailand", so a naked "Bangkok" looks "off"; whereas someone from the UK, used to seeing just "Bangkok", might see "Bangkok, Thailand" and think the writer was patronizing them for not knowing where Bangkok was. -- 174.24.208.192 (talk) 17:02, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

I suppose the reason for the American practice (apart from their notorious ignorance, of course) is that they've named so many places there after places elsewhere in the world. Peter jackson (talk) 10:55, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Regarding the links to the wikipedias that have more than 40,000 articles

The macedonian wikipedia has more than 40,000 articles, can you please add a link on the main page in the section of wikipedias with over 40,000 articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ivostefanov (talk • contribs) 21:53, April 24, 2010 (UTC)

Done. --Allen3  22:37, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

As noted in the template's documentation, "Wikipedias determined to consist primarily of stubs and placeholders are omitted."

Per Template talk:Wikipedialang#Macedonian Misplaced Pages, I've reverted the addition (and referred Allen3 to that discussion, of which he presumably was unaware). —David Levy 23:07, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Picture of the day photo credits requests for comment

Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Picture of the day photo credits --MZMcBride (talk) 02:32, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

New Layout

When did this new layout occur and why? Simply south (talk) 22:28, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Erm, what new layout? HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:30, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

I assume this is a reference to the unusually short TFA/ITN. In which case, it is just a coincidence that two days in a row has FAs w/no pics (and thus took up less space), forcing ITN to shorten as well. --ThaddeusB (talk) 00:17, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

I am quite liking the fact that I can see most of the DYKs and OTDs now and that only the most recent (and hence relevant) ITNs are shown. Could we look at permanently shortening TFA blurbs? Quite often I don't have the enthusiasm to read them all anyway - Dumelow (talk) 11:28, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Tallinn Bronze Soldier

The current text in "On this day" sounds as if Estonia was a "Soviet war memorial". I recommend rewording it: "Controversy surrounding the relocation of the Bronze Soldier of Tallinn, a Soviet Red Army World War II memorial in Tallinn, Estonia, erupted into mass protests and riots." 193.40.37.161 (talk) 06:36, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Agreed, but moving to WP:ERRORS.  f o x  08:36, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

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