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J. Otis Ledbetter

A man with a "PhD" from an unaccredited "university", article created by User:Jason Gastrich, prolific creator of articles on alumni of that university all of whom have, despite vital importance to the world of education, managed to escape the notice of other editors. Oh, that's not quite true: one or two were apparently created by a sockpuppet of Gastrich's. Anyway, this article is about a pastor. And, er, that's about it. On the plus side, we do now know that he has eight grandchildren, so the bytes consumed were not entirely wasted. Just zis  Guy, you know? / AfD? 01:03, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Comment: There is no need to pepper your nomination with personal attacks and sarcasm. Furthermore, I didn't create all of the LBU alumni entries. Many were created long before I even came to Misplaced Pages. --Jason Gastrich 05:16, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

There are no personal attacks in that sentence. The word "many" is also misleading: most were created by you or a suspected sockpuppet. - Just zis  Guy, you know? / AfD? 10:08, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

At least 5 out of the 11 alumni on the LBU page were not written by me. --Jason Gastrich 10:20, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

• Delete Non of the books appear to be from well-known publishers or have significant Amazon ranks. Dlyons493 Talk 01:17, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
• Strong keep. Very notable author and minister. --Jason Gastrich 01:44, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as non-notable vanity gastrich-cruft from a holder of a fake pHd from a diploma mill.Blnguyen 02:33, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy delete as per Blnguyen. Diploma mills have tarnished the reputations of many. Sycthos 03:06, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nomination. KrazyCaley 03:30, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. --King of All the Franks 03:31, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep with some sort of tag, pov - disputed etc. Seems fairly notable from google 1470 hits -- Astrokey44|talk 05:57, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, non-notable, religious figure or no significance. - WarriorScribe 06:23, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. I really don't understand the "diploma mill" criterion. Are we to delete articles on all people who do not have degrees from accredited universtities? Think of the many notable people that would include. This person seems notable enough, despite the POV against his schooling. Logophile 06:57, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

• It's relevant because he claims to be an educator. - Just zis  Guy, you know? / AfD? 10:11, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

• Shouldnt that mean the article be edited to say that rather than being deleted? -- Astrokey44|talk 10:33, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

• Keep, published author. Alphax  07:18, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

• For some values of author. One or two of his books make it into the top half million in Amazon's sales rank, but others fail to break the million mark. - Just zis  Guy, you know? / AfD? 10:14, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

• Keep per User:Astrokey44 ··· rWd · Talk ··· 07:22, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
• Weak keep. Not the most notable guy in the world, but this isn't a paper encyclopedia. If you have a problem with the claims of his being an educator, that's grounds to remove them from the article, not delete the whole thing. Rogue 9 10:38, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Appears to be personal vendetta by someone. --StuffOfInterest 12:30, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, Popular Minister.Tvaughn05 12:31, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as per JzG and Blngyuen --Deiz 13:14, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
• Strong keep For all the reasons above. Also because he's a real person, who has done many notable things (have any of you had books published?). It has an image, which is good. Where is this image going to slot in if this is deleted? This could well be a featured article someday. - 13:18, 20 January 2006 (UTC) The Great Gavini
• Keep. He's a real person; enough said. Kerobaros 13:20, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
  • You're a real person; where is your article? --Calton | Talk 14:18, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Keep. Religious media personality and author. I'm also shocked by the sarcasm displayed here. -- JJay 13:37, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Non-notable religious figure.

• keep We can't delete people because books aren't that popular on amazon (this is just not relevant as a criteria) or the publishers aren't well known. bio can be verified and individual is arguably notable. Ginar 14:25, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Keep This is a perfectly viable encyclopedia article on a public figure that could very well be the subject of someone's research in the future. In such an event, wikipedia would come in handy. That is what wikipedia is for. I haven't heard a single good argument to why this should be deleted. Itake 15:00, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
• Weak keep, his books aren't self-published from the looks of it, including one book published by the seminary press Multnomah. --badlydrawnjeff 14:52, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nomination --kingboyk 14:57, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Just because you don't like the guy doesn't mean he's not notable, and the sarcasm in the nom comes across as POV; his books make him notable, as Google shows. Walkerma 15:28, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, if the article in its current state is fairly accurate, then he's got enough to warrant inclusion. The issues about his quality of education can be addressed in an NPOV manner in the article. Peyna 15:59, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

• Delete: Non-notable. Justin Eiler 16:22, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete So he's a pastor of a church. Who cares? He's not notable. Also, someone should go through all these keep votes and see which ones were made by new users... -- Thesquire (talk - contribs) 16:28, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

• Keep As long as the article is NPOV. This is a factual biography of a published author. Wynler 17:20, 20 January 2006 (UTC) (added sig.)
• Strong Keep per Itake - Amazon10x 17:22, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep I see no reason to delete this article. --Shanedidona 17:39, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep same as above. --Yonghokim 17:41, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Keep I see no reason to delete this article. Lerner 18:00, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom Grimm 18:16, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep guy just barely passes my notability bar, he's clearly published multiple books, he's been on television... just squeeks by imo.  ALKIVAR™ 18:40, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. As with (US) college professors, being a church pastor doesn't get you in or out. This guy appears to be one of the more notable ones, quoted for example by the NZ Focus on the Family website (so some international coverage). Google hits are predominantly Christian sites, hey we don't discount articles on astronomers just because they appear mainly on astronomy sites, do we? Andrewa 20:11, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Keep--Hayson 21:18, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per Guy. I am uncomfortable with the way this discussion is going, though. Also, Greatgavini, your signature is OBNOXIOUS. rodii 21:24, 20 January 2006 (UTC)