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Request concerning Torontokid2006

User requesting enforcement

mark nutley (talk) 07:47, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested

Torontokid2006 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Sanction or remedy that this user violated

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1. Rv 1
2. Rv 2
3. Rv 3
4. Rv 4
5. Rv 5
6. Rv 6
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1. Warning by Thparkth (talk · contribs)
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Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction)

up to you guys

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

Not only is he massively over on reverts his removal of tags before consensus is reached is disturbing. I leave it to the admins to sort out a punishment but i believe a 1r minimum is needed here mark nutley (talk) 07:47, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

• Comment, Would someone be so good as to talk to this guy? Today he is on 3R`s on Global Warming Reverts WMC Reverts Arthur Rubin Reverts Verbel And accuses him of edit warring :) mark nutley (talk) 22:36, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

• On my way. LessHeard vanU (talk) 22:48, 6 June 2010 (UTC) BozMo got there already. LessHeard vanU (talk) 22:50, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Cool, how about this RFE gets wrapped up btw, i suppose i was to hasty in bringing it to be honest mark nutley (talk) 23:20, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

Discussion concerning Torontokid2006

Statement by Torontokid2006

Hi everyone, I'm a little new to wikipedia but if it's possible I would like to file a counter-complaint against Marknutley as he was attempting to add tags, repeatedly, without consensus or looking at recent discussion. The sentence that he calls to question has been thoroughly discussed ] on the talkpage talk:Global warming and that is why I reverted his actions. I have told him numerous times ] to read the discussion and see for himself that a consensus had already recently been made and he did not need to add said tags (which served to only weaken peer-reviewed scientific evidence).

Additionally another user User:VLB Pocketspup was attempting to vandalize the article by removing an entire section without any discussion! From what I have read in wikipedia policy, it is ok to stop vandalism. Here's one of the vandal's edits (Sorry, not sure how to make diffs)] the only comment he made was "removing the trash again". Here is another: ], he says "rv blatant rubbish". Again, he made no comment in the discussion before removing an entire section from the article.

If I was wrong I will accept full responsibility. But I feel like I was protecting this article from vandalism and arbitrary tags that were against consensus. If I knew better the steps of making a complaint I would have filed one for User:Marknutley and User:VLB Pocketspup.

In regards to my "6" reverts, 2 of them were on my own actions, 2 were on User:VLB Pocketspup's huge deletes, and 2 were on User:Marknutley's insistence to have tags that did not meet consensus nor take into account the recent discussion.

Sorry, for the trouble. Have a good day. Torontokid2006 (talk) 08:05, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Comments by others about the request concerning Torontokid2006

TK needs to be forcefully reminded that 3RR *does* apply to him, contrary to his assertions otherwise . Mind you, in normal times a 3rr violation would just be grounds for a std 3rr block, not a RFE. Hopefully a watching admin can simply assess whether a 3rr vio has occurred and make the appropriate block/warning William M. Connolley (talk) 07:51, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Two of those reverts were reverting his own comments, the net change to the article of the two edits was zero as they cancelled each other out, so that is just four reverts. Two of the reverts were reverting 'vandalism' from an editor who has been subsequently blocked for vandalism, and I think that reverting blatant vandalism does not fall within 3RR, so that makes it potentially two actionable reverts. The two remaining reverts are debatable, but that debate really should take place on the GW talkpage until such time as someone really violates 3RR. That doesn't mean the remaining two reverts are valid, and it's never good to edit-war over tags, but it doesn't seem like this matter yet requires enforcement action. Weakopedia (talk) 09:10, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Well, if you feel that he was simply reverting vandalism you might want to consider where it appears the vandal got his inspiration from as well as the comment just above yours. Was he actually being a vandal? --68.63.103.42 (talk) 20:41, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

A strongly worded warning should suffice but I think this discussion here is a fairly clear warning in itself. I would have prefered a standard warning rather than through enforcement. The warning outlined above by Marknutley is not a warning regarding the reverts but is simply informing the editor of probation. Also Marknutley has not bothered to outline why any of the particular diffs are problematic and is just throwing in everything he can and leaving it for others to make the difficult judgement with the comment "I leave it to the admins to sort out a punishment". This is a rather poor use of enforcement. (On a general note as an admin, Global Warming and its talkpage are pages I have never edited and Torontokid2006 is a user I have had no dealings with. Therefore although I cannot deal with him as an admin in enforcement due to the recent ruling I could deal with him as an admin per general wikipedia guidelines.) Polargeo (talk) 09:50, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Excuse me? He was edit warring, i see no need to explain why the diff`s are problematic. And removing pov tags without reaching consensus first is problamatic. I also asked him on his talk page to stop edit warring and to self revert, he refused. And yes i leave it to the admins to decide a course of action, that is their job here not mine. mark nutley (talk) 13:57, 4 June 2010 (UTC)]

Next time, if there must be a next time. Yes you should explain exactly why diffs are problematic. It is tough for uninvolved admins to just act on 6 diffs with out any explanation of why you think they are in breach of the rules. Polargeo (talk) 14:05, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Polargeo, what do you think "He was edit warring and removing POV tags without getting consensus on the talk page" is? that is an explanation is it not? mark nutley (talk) 14:12, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

You failled to outline which diffs do this and which diffs do not and which bit of the talkpage consensus has not been reached on. You just presented 6 diffs with no detail. For your own sake I advise you to put together a proper RfE or just do not bother. It is not up to others to chase around for the answers. Polargeo (talk) 14:17, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

I have interacted with TK2006 and find him to be a good-faith editor who though editing from a strong and obvious point of view, at least intends to follow wikipedia good practices and work within consensus. It's probably fair to say that he doesn't yet have the experience to always know what good practice is and make good judgments about when consensus has been established. In particular I think he is over-aggressive in repeatedly reverting to exactly the same language (albeit not exceeding 3R a 24 hr period) when others are attempting to find compromise wording, and he can be offensively dismissive of those other editors. For example, he has regularly used things like "if you actually read the source" as edit comments on his reverts, when the source only "actually" says what he thinks it does with a large dose of synthesis. Again, I believe this is mostly an issue of inexperience, and I'm sure most people see that and make allowance for it. I think some polite but firm and specific advice from an administrator about the standard of behavior expected in the climate change space would be enough to help him understand. As an aside, I wonder if the administrators reviewing this might consider extending 1RR to the "Global Warming" article - more talking and less reverting would probably have been a good thing there over the last little while. Thparkth (talk) 11:42, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

1rr is a potential nightmare and should not be used liberaly Polargeo (talk) 11:50, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

If I was allowed to act as uninvolved as I would be per standard wikipedia guidelines I would agree with The Wordsmiths conclusion. Polargeo (talk) 12:38, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Result concerning Torontokid2006

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• I am inclined to deny the RFE per WMC; bring Torontokid2006 up to speed regarding 3RR generally, the CC Probation specifically, and bring any further edit warring to that noticeboard - only bring here again if they trip over one of the 1RR exemptions or probation related issues. LessHeard vanU (talk) 11:27, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
• I agree with LHvU. This is a case where I would not make a 3RR block. I also see no reason to impose special sanctions just yet. NW (Talk) 14:00, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
• Concur. I'd add a gentle reminder that Mark does need to give a bit more than just the bare diffs... as it turned out, analysis of these showed not all qualified as reverts that "count". If Mark had tried to write the supporting material asked for in the request template, he might have realised this and structured his request differently. With three in concurrance I move for a close. Although I would like my reminder tacked on :) ++Lar: t/c 14:21, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
• I propose the following closure:
  • Editors are reminded that they should seek to provide relevant context along with evidence presented as part of a Request for Enforcement.
  • Torontokid2006 (talk · contribs) is advised to discuss content with other editors and seek to compromise, instead of edit warring.
• -The Wordsmith 02:31, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
  • • support wording by TWS --BozMo talk 11:44, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
    • support wording by TWS, striking out previous comment since Torontokid2006 has not yet "got it". LessHeard vanU (talk) 12:32, 7 June 2010 (UTC)