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Brilliant

Your summary at the RfC was brilliant indeed.I share your concern for Jagged´s agenda.Do you think he will change? all the best--Knight1993 (talk) 23:39, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Thank you very much. I'm glad you think so, because it took me almost five hours to write that and I almost gave up a couple of times. I think the RfC/U was very much a success, I think that either way the problem had been resolved. Nice working with you and see you around. Athenean (talk) 02:50, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Polyphonic song of Epirus

Can you please revert and then report the user to 3RR? Thanks in addition. The Cat and the Owl (talk) 09:36, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Don't bother, I warned the user and wait to see. The Cat and the Owl (talk) 09:55, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Notification

I mentioned your name in a proposal I made at WP:AE, in the thread about Kedadi . Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:35, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the info

Glad to hear that I'm not the only one who can't stand this StanStun clown. Always good to get some encouragement from a sympatrioti...will definitely wait for StanStun to get banned. Dousis (talk) 19:52, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Interesting Article

Hello. I'd like to bring to your attention an interesting article you might be willing to contribute to:

Genocide of Ottoman Turks and Muslims

BTW, the deletion of it is now being discussed at:

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Genocide of Ottoman Turks and Muslims

Regards, Aregakn (talk) 18:15, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Sanction notice

Further to this arbitration enforcement request and by the power vested in me under Misplaced Pages:ARBMAC#Discretionary_sanctions, you are hereby placed on a reverting restriction on all Balkans-related articles in the following terms:

• You may make no more than one revert per rolling 24-hour period on these articles
• If you do make a revert on such an article, you must post an explanation of why you have made the revert, to be at least 50 words and in English, to the talk page of the article, within 30 minutes of posting.
• "Balkans-related" is to be construed widely. If you are not certain whether a certain article is Balkans-related, assume that it is.

This restriction applies until the end of June. You may appeal the restriction to me, to WP:ANI, or to the Arbitration Committee. Stifle (talk) 10:54, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Albanian and Greek wikipedians cooperation board

You are invited to participate in this board, which I just created. Please feel free to bring there your concerns. Cheers! --_Sulmues 01:05, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

And thank you for being the first one to endorse and support the board. By the way this reaction was harsh but you know what? I know how you feel. However, now I really have to do a quick translation of what I said in the Albanian board , because you deserve it.

It has been very difficult for me to edit the Albanian articles in the last three months. I would have wanted that those who know English contribute in the English project with their translations, because we can't take too much info from the Albanain project, furthermore in some cases the English project is better than the Albanian one. Our problem are the sources which are almost not even used in the Albanian Misplaced Pages. In general the antiquity is apanage of the Greeks and it is very difficult to communicate with them. The Thesprotians, the Molossians the Chaonians are characterized as Greeks, Pyrrus of Epirus is represented as Greek, and so does The Great Alexander. Athenean, Alexikoua and Megistias, the most active Greek contributors and the most antialbanians are masters of the revert. Athenean and Alexikoua have reported me 100 times and I have often been blocked, but I also have had them blocked sometimes. Have fun in reading here (I invite you to read my defense, which although it is long, shows you what happens), and here. You can contact me if you want to give your contributions in the English Misplaced Pages.

If this is meatpuppetry, feel free to report me. I don't think it is: it is an invitation to Albanians to contribute in translations of the articles with their Albanian sources. I say above that you, Megistias, and Alexikoua are anti-Albanians. However I have NEVER contacted someone off-wiki and I am certainly not making any recruitments: I am just responding to the concern that was raised in the Albanian wikipedia about how the Albanian articles were being covered in the English project. Albanian newbies come to contribute because when they read Misplaced Pages in English, they know that the articles are edited by non-Albanians and when they start improving them, they get a kick in the derriere because they are reported by you. They are newbies and there will always be newbies around. They ain't socks. And you should be nicer to them. Bye now and come to the board to contribute. --_Sulmues 01:59, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Banned

Under my authority as specified at WP:ARBMAC, you are banned from editing articles related to the Balkans, broadly construed, for a period of six months. This ban was placed due to your violation of an existing restriction, which was placed upon you by Stifle just a few days ago. This edit is the one which violated the restriction. If you have any questions about this ban or wish to appeal, contact me on my Talk page. The Wordsmith 18:56, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

The above ban has been commuted due to a successful appeal. You are now banned from editing articles related to the Balkans, broadly construed, for two weeks. You are also restricted to one revert per 24-hour period for four months. These restrictions are to run concurrently. The Wordsmith 15:21, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Thank you very much for reconsidering. I will not disappoint. Athenean (talk) 16:55, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

can you help?

User:Wikiwatcher1 has been trolling around the Judaism page; see this bit of talk for a sample. He insists on using dictionary definitions over sources by Jewish scholars. I suspect he has a general agenda reflected in his POV pushing in other articles. I see you have had some experience dealing with him. WP:DE points out that a disruptive editor often evades detection because the disruptive edits are spread out among different articles. I think there may be just such a pattern here. Would you mind watching the Judaism page and see how he has been altering a consensus-version text without any consideration to points made by editors who have been working on the article for years? If you see any shenanigans you are familiar with, your experienced comment would help. Thanks. Slrubenstein | Talk 00:44, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Hallo

Suppose you are on a wiki break. I see these ips and spi accounts (Kushtrim&Stupidus Maximus) make a real concert these days, According Stupidus, I have real doubts if one of these ips are his.Alexikoua (talk) 17:03, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

I just added the IP that reverted you at Berat. It's almost certainly him. Don't worry, he's well on his way out. Athenean (talk) 17:06, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks!!

Thanks so much for the Barnstar, my friend! I´m sorry I didn´t write to you before but I´ve just noticed it. I´ve had some issues in real life to solve so I didn´t have enough time to work in Misplaced Pages. Fortunately, I´m back now. Thanks again! --Knight1993 (talk) 17:52, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Great, good to have you back! Athenean (talk) 17:59, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Mail

Pws to kanw auto? Ξένος ὢν ἀκολούθει τοῖς ἐπιχωρίοις νόμοις. (talk) 21:39, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Pas sto "my preferences" pano pano, kai sto user preferences kaneis tick to koutaki "enable e-mail from other users". Kai sbhse to mhnyma mou mwlis to kaneis, etsi gia na mhn fainetai tpt. Athenean (talk) 21:42, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Ennoeis na balw to to diko mou mail, diladi auto pou idi exw, as poume sto yahoo? Kai einai asfales auto? Ξένος ὢν ἀκολούθει τοῖς ἐπιχωρίοις νόμοις. (talk) 21:55, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Bale opoio mail 8eleis. Egw exw ftiaksei ena mono gia th wiki, athenean.wiki@gmail.com. Steile mou mail gia oti 8eleis, einai 100% asfales. Athenean (talk) 22:28, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Actually you are right, this cooperation board has became completely worthless, especially after this 'hit&run mission' performed by Balkanian's Word, with Sulmues pretending that everything is ok and demanding one-sided AGF ].Alexikoua (talk) 06:23, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, that's how it works: Balkanian or Zjarri ram through some changes without consulting anyone, and then Sulmues lectures us about AGF. It's the old bad-cop good-cop (or not-so-good cop) routine. Boring. Athenean (talk) 06:28, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

I got a mail. The Cat and the Owl (talk) 19:19, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Im sorry, i made a mistake, You can fix it any time.Stupidus Maximus (talk) 22:47, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

You are welcome to my page. Stupidus Maximus (talk) 22:58, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Note

Bear in mind that you are not an administrator. Please do not talk to other users in such a way as to imply that you are. Reminding other users of arbcom decisions is one thing, but passing yourself off as an admin is something else. Thank you. DS (talk) 23:09, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

This is the most ludicrous accusation that I've ever heard. That certainly wasn't my intention and I don't know why you would say that. I'm trying to "pass myself off as an admin"? Really? Where? I just cut-and-pasted the Balkans warning template and displayed it on his talkpage, which anyone can do, and which he richly deserves. And could you for once try and be a little impartial and look at how disruptive this user has been? He is the one who is being disruptive here, not me, yet here you are. Let me guess, someone (no prizes for guessing who) contacted you on IRC? Athenean (talk) 23:30, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

I asked around and it seems that only admins can use that warning not normal users.--— ZjarriRrethues —  07:59, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

I would be hapy to stay away from Alexikua's page. No problem. But pretending yourself as an admin, is very serious. You should stop doing this. Stupidus Maximus (talk) 10:11, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

I'll accept that you had no ill intention and that this was accidental on your part. Just be a little more careful with your choice of words from now on, okay? DS (talk) 11:32, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Gotcha. Btw, I'm pretty sure anyone can issue the Balkan warning template, not just admins. Athenean (talk) 16:09, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Battle of Pindus

Hey Ath.! Is it possible to make a c-e check on this? I've expanded this article recently, I believe it's one of the most significant of modern Greek history.Alexikoua (talk) 22:22, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Absolutely. Athenean (talk) 22:24, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

StanStun sockpuppet

Hey Athenean, thanks for bringing that to my attention. I mentioned on the Turkey edit page that Ozguroot is a sockpuppet--now he's asking me to prove it. I'm not quite sure how, can you give me a hand? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dousis (talk • contribs) 11:31, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Hi Dousis. The sockpuppet I was referring to is User:Iceman rides your tail. It's him, without a doubt. I'm not too familiar with Ozguroot, but it seems he is a sockpuppet of someone else (User:Izmir lee). I'm kinda busy at the moment both in wiki and in real life, but I will look into it as soon as I can. Best, Athenean (talk) 19:52, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Massacre of Hormova

Per you shouldn't have removed almost 3k from Massacre of Hormova.--— ZjarriRrethues —  09:53, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Pov team in full action

It seems that some major Albanian contributors, aren't really interested to upgrade this project, but just trying to use wikipedia as a potential medium of propaganda. Characteristically the two main subbranches of the Albanian people (Ghecks&Tosks but also Labs) are just redirections..., on the other hand it's really rediculus that they are creating wp:battle in every occasion in this project (multiple & overextented templates and articles about irredetist issues, unconfirmed war crimes etc). Suppose wikipedia has a completely diferrent meaning according to this editors.Alexikoua (talk) 10:49, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Wikibreak

When the AfD of Hormova is over I'll be taking a (long) wikibreak from Balkans-articles. Until then I'll try to have as little as possible interaction with you, so try doing the same. I joined wikipedia to help the project and not argue with users who are here to promote their truth and because of that I decided to limit my edits in Balkans articles as much as possible. A reply to this message won't be necessary and in fact you're welcome to delete it after reading it.--— ZjarriRrethues —  11:29, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Hormova

You can remove the ultra-gore, sure. Leave in the parts about foreign response, and the claimed numbers of deaths. DS (talk) 19:00, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Kodra&Guildenrich

I've added some (more) additional evidence in his spi. It seems that with this afd he declared that he is Guildenrich...Alexikoua (talk) 05:19, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

It seems that this S.M. saga is finally over. I thought that this guy would finally self declare as reincarnation of Guildenrich, while on the same time denying any relation with him.05:18, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Hi

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.Stupidus Maximus (talk) 23:54, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

If you have some free-time, can you just take a look at Kostas Krystallis? I've just expanded him.Alexikoua (talk) 22:41, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Map in Greater Albania

I need your opinion here please. --_Sulmues 20:17, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Hi

I may move from Albania to Greece. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Smartimus Maximus (talk • contribs) 15:36, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

For the record, this particular user was not the reincarnation of Stupidus Maximus. It was one of our regular vandals trying to stir up more trouble. (I'd name him, but that would just gratify his infantile ego.) DS (talk) 18:12, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

I would appreciate if you have any objection about my proposal in Fustanella.Alexikoua (talk) 08:37, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Jagged 85

Hi. I am a specialist in the history of logic, particularly the medieval period. I wrote most of History of logic (not the section on modern logic). I have been concerned for some time about misrepresentation of Islamic achievements in the area of philosophy and logic (the Islamic philosophers made some great innovations, by the way, but Jagged's work entirely misrepresents them). Then I noticed the recent RfC and was shocked by the scale of what he (or she) has done. The errors in the logic and philosophy articles are still there. What is to be done? I wrote about the problem here in my blog, which has a wide academic readership. Note particularly the point about the dissemination of inaccurate information all across the web. 86.184.132.41 (talk) 09:39, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Indeed, the damage he has done is immense, and it extends far beyond the history of science. Democracy, Human rights, Women's rights, you name it, there isn't a single article or section involving the history of an idea that he hasn't contaminated with his POV. I am very grateful to you for publicizing the situation on your blog, and you hit on all the main points. The good news is that the RfC was successful: He has gone on an indefinite wiki-break as a result, and knows full well that should he return and resume his past behavior, he will be banned in short order. So the damage is done, but it has at least been contained, and now the cleanup begins. There are a number of editors who are working on cleaning up after him, each one within his own specialty. I am delighted to hear you specialize in logic and the history of logic, as these articles definitely need some cleanup, and they are far from my specialty so I cannot do it myself. The extent of the damage is such that it is too much for one person to undo, but if a number of editors do their part within their specialty, then we can roll back a lot of it. So feel free to edit those articles, and do not worry about Jagged, his days of wreaking havoc on this encyclopedia are over, one way or another. Athenean (talk) 18:08, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Unfortunately I was banned last year for my continued and outspoken criticism of bullies in the administration so I cannot help. (I am Peter Damian - I created many articles on logic and philosophy). A number of editors have approached me privately by email with the idea of presenting a petition to Arbcom. If you or any others are interested in joining, you can contact me at my user page on Commons . I am glad to hear, anyway, that the days of Jagged 85 are over. Peter 86.184.214.37 (talk) 08:26, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

If you aren't aware of the exact circumstances, Athenean, here is the actual ban discussion: community banned for attacking another editor on Misplaced Pages with a sockpuppet while being blocked with his main account. Note that more recent socks include e.g. User:Think of the children, which was blocked even before it was known that it was a PD sock. Fram (talk) 13:55, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps if we were allowed a bit more discussion of those incidents, Fram? Instead of one side having all the say and another blocked? Fram is famous for having disrupted the History of logic FAC, preventing it reaching its conclusion. The article now remains vandalised by Jagged 85. Who is going to fix it? 86.185.60.167 (talk) 06:36, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

If you start by telling lies, like you did in your second post here, it's hard to take you serious. Apart from that, I'm only "famous" for that FAC in the opinion of you and perhaps SandyGeorgia. No one else seems to have noticed it or remembered it. Fram (talk) 07:15, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

I do not know the particulars of the dispute between you guys, although the sockpuppetry does seem pretty serious. What I do know, however, is that Logic and History of Logic are in a parlous state and need work. Athenean (talk) 16:11, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Athenean, I'm afraid that the person behind Jagged_85 is actually still editing, albeit no longer with that account. It doesn't look like he is planning to clean his mess up. Like:

• Forced conversion
• Rashidun Caliphate
• Reciprocating engine
• Bombay (film)
• Mexican standoff

Can I leave this with you to touch base with the other users from the RfC/U to do the required follow-ups, and coordinate how this can be cleaned up?
FWIW, there is a tool used by the copyright violation cleanup people, the Contribution surveyor, that might be helpful here to create a list of articles and diffs that need to be looked at (like e.g. this). You could ask one of the regulars there to create it for you.
Amalthea 08:30, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Crazy

Ok, will wait for response on his appeal. --_Sulmues 19:26, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Declined. You really don't want Crazy on your team, trust me you have fantastic contributors there already. --_Sulmues 20:30, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Well, since he was readmitted, I undid myself whereever I stroke his edits. I don't think I missed anything. I expect you to mentor him, though, whenever you can. He'll listen to you more than to me.

In general we should avoid bringing to AfD one another's work. That is bad faith. You may drop a line to the creator of the article in regards to notability and solve it there, not go directly to AfD, because it's not stylish. You have dealt with Albanian editors for years now and fighting them through ANIs and AFDs disrupts both the Greek and the Albanian projects. I really believe that users Ptolion and Factuarius are tired of the fighting. The more the fighting the less the articles. If each side is focused on bringing to the table sources, then we won't have to spend time insulting and both WPs will look better. Isn't it what we all want?

Besides it's a good thing if you have good neighbors at your house, not angry ones, don't you think? You'll be better off if you are sorrounded by good neighbors rather than some who hate you because of what you did to them. This is the reason why I started the cooperation board, but at my first slip you deserted it and canvassed for a mass Greek flight. That board is necessary, no matter what the creator of it might have done right or wrong. It will serve for the future editors for better Greek and Albanian articles. Both parties are not looking good right now, and I don't like the way we are presenting ourselves. --_Sulmues 14:27, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Irc disruption and BITE

It seems that User:Zjarri. preffers underground irc activity for cu requests, no wonder he never shows up in wp:spi (apart from a funny report against Megistias, in which both ips were visible to common users). Since he was lately obsessive in reporting everything, I've asked him to bring evidence about what he claims. Else, I'll fill a wp:ani (this hate against newcommers is really tragic).Alexikoua (talk) 06:58, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Actually I never directly asked for a CU but I contacted an admin and he considered my suspicions reasonable and the user was a sock. I am entitled to have any opinion and it seems that some admins too think the same. I made my comment and I stated that it may be a bit far-fetched but you I certainly wouldn't discard it and since the beginning I stated it is an assumption so it depends upon the other users' opinion whether they consider it just an assumption or truly reasonable. If Alexikoua thinks that me reporting users' who sock and just revert others as disruptive then the verdict is on the two bans of that user.--— ZjarriRrethues —  07:36, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Since this is all about off wiki, I really doubt that your intentions were innocent and in good faithin in irc. Your obsession to launch empty meatpuppetry accusations is really tragic (that's what we see in wiki).Alexikoua (talk) 07:48, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

That was a sockpuppet, wasn't it? Therefore, every label is redundant because my report was 100% correct.--— ZjarriRrethues —  07:55, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Sure, a result of a specific editor's intense biting activity of newcommers. Please don't hide essential parts of this case.

@Zjarri: Since I've opened a section in Athenean's talkpage it's obvious that disruption by third users isn't needed (if you really want to discuss something with me DONT delete my msgs in your talkpage but discuss them instead).Alexikoua (talk) 08:53, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

I_Pakapshem

It seems that specific users like him have additional rights in this encyclopedia. Like the right to edit while blocked and then declaring that they are proud that they respected their restriction. I've created a subsection on your ani case, this is really tragic.Alexikoua (talk) 19:03, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

You have been reported

For a multitude of reason here. --I Pakapshem (talk) 21:14, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

WP:OUCH Athenean (talk) 22:57, 10 June 2010 (UTC)