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Barnstar

		The da Vinci Barnstar
		For fixing a complex coding error in Template:Google Inc. when no one else could figure it out! - Ahunt (talk) 02:54, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Modelling Misplaced Pages extended growth

Your essay Misplaced Pages:Modelling Misplaced Pages extended growth looks very good. I would suggest to add an introduction and a link to Misplaced Pages:Modelling Misplaced Pages's growth. As you might know I introduced the 3, 4 and 5M limit as the maximum number of articles on the english wikipedia (the logistic model). This as contrast to the belief that growth was exponential. My model was created in March 2006, THREE YEARS ago. Until this essay I have not seen new models. HenkvD (talk) 18:54, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Kudos for the work on image placement

Thanks for the effort you put into dealing with the issue of placing images when there is already a floating table. I fear that there were quite a few nights put into it. I'd given up worrying about a response after a week. I'll have to look more carefully at it when I can find the headspace. And thanks for the border + cellpadding tip. Cheers. -- spin 23:01, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The da Vinci Barnstar
		For fixing the convert template's ft-in to cm conversion and eliminating significant conversion errors in thousands of articles, I award you this barnstar. And so should WikiProject Basketball! JN466 09:08, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Now, if you could do the same thing for {{convert|36|m|ft}} {{convert|37|m|ft}} {{convert|38|m|ft}}, which at the time of writing comes out as 36 metres (120 ft) 37 metres (120 ft) 38 metres (120 ft), ... JN466 09:08, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Removal of Sketch of Kercher Flat

I notice that the sketch you did of the Kercher flat was removed from the article on Murder of Meridith Kercher. That sketch was very good and added a lot to the article. Is there any way to restore that? Thanks. Zlykinskyja (talk) 21:58, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Wikid77, Thanks for including the new Kercher flat concept/diagram. It looks great and makes it easier for the reader to understand the story. Zlykinskyja (talk) 22:34, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Indeed, yes, very welcome. I have, though, a slight problem with the text beneath it - please see its Talk. Rothorpe (talk) 01:40, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Convert templates

Thanks for your work with {{convert}} and its many subtemplates. It's time someone took them in hand. I can't shake the feeling that it might be better to start from scratch and design a sensible, simpler and efficient template which does the job. No disrespect to Jimp, but they are a real handful, and I don't think having hundreds of subtemplates is the best route to go. What do you think? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 17:06, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Just thinking it may be worth putting yourself up for Admin rights to make the work on convert a bit easier to do. -- WOSlinker (talk) 22:05, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

The major problem with Convert right now is that it is very difficult for people to figure out the internal code. I'd love to see someone try to create something from scratch that is as code-efficient as the current version. Wikid, I recall you were going to work on a guide for all the internal code parameters and such to make it easier for others to edit...is this still in the pipeline? — Huntster 01:35, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Convert templates

A big thank you for sorting out the miles/chains template, hopefully you should see the fruits of your efforts as part of a FA penciled in for June 2011. Lamberhurst (talk) 21:26, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Hints for conversion factors

A couple of hints for doing conversion factors

1 pound (avoirdupois) ≡ 0.45359237 kg

1 yard ≡ 0.9144 m

those numbers are exact, as many significant digits as you like; that's how the pound and yard and related English units are defined, since the international agreement on a common definition back in 1959. Others include

1 liter ≡ 1 cubic decimeter (from 1901 to 1964, it was 1 L ≈ 1.000028 dm, a measured relationship)

1 U.S. gallon ≡ 231 in³ (the inch, of course, is 1/36 yd, see above; use the current definition of the inch, 0.9144 m/36 is exactly 0.0254 m)

1 imperial gallon ≡ 4.54609 dm (for a while, Canada and the U.K. used slightly different definitions)

Gene Nygaard (talk) 15:23, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Breaking News On Kercher Murder

Guede's cellmate has testified that Guede told him Knox and Sollecito were not at the murder but a second person was with him!!

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2010/03/05/crimesider/entry6271397.shtml —Zlykinskyja 03:59, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

There is a cite to an Italian newspaper in the footnote I added to the third paragraph of the article. Zlykinskyja 04:04, 6 March 2010 (UTC) _________________________

Wikid: there is a great deal of new information about the case in the news, including that there are three witnesses (cellmates) who can back up the claims of cellmate Mario Alessi that Guede has stated that Knox and Sollecito were not at murder scene. The Italians have just moved the three witnesses out of that prison into other prisons. The defense is now trying to interview the three witnesses. It has also been discussed that there was a drug user/addict who hung out at park near the cottage and was seen that night nearby. He had cuts on his hands and was trying to wash blood off of him in a fountain. The man seemed high or delirious saying something about a girl having just been killed. He was taken to the hospital but the cops never tested him for DNA. There is unidentified DNA in the murder scene bedroom. According to the book Monster of Florence, when a woman reporter printed the story of the drug user having blood all over him that night and cuts on his hands, she was intimidated by Mignini's men and then charges were filed against her or were threatened against her for obstructing justice for printing a "false story" in the press.

This story seems to have been buried after the newswoman was threatened. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article4002791.ece

The inital reports of the crime were that Kercher was cut by a "boxcutter". Mario Alsessi is saying that Guede told him that his "friend" who actually killed Kercher cut her with an ivory handled boxcutter.

It is now reported that in 2007 and 2008 Guede told his birth father during intercepted and police-RECORDED phone calls that someone else was with him that night and that Knox and Sollecito were not there. This is also what Guede said in November of 2007 during a police monitored Skype conversation between Guede while in Germany and a friend in Italy (the friend had the police with him during the conversation, so they knew what Guede had said.) Some American lawyers are meeting with the prosecutors to resolve the concerns of a group called something like the Italian American Foundation.

Talk to you later. Zlykinskyja (talk) 18:58, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Convert with mid-text

I'm really making hay of articles like CFPL Television Tower now that you have added mid-text capability. Just wanted you to know that your efforts are not being wasted. Have fun! Chris the speller (talk) 19:58, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

You may enjoy seeing how WikEd can implement convert template cases quickly and accurately; see User:Chris the speller/regular. With Wikid77 and WikEd, I'm having a wicked good time. Thanks again! Chris the speller (talk) 02:30, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

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		For all your difficult work with the many Convert templates  Ronhjones  23:12, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

How fair-use images are justified

There have been several questions about using public photos in articles. Please read WP:FAIRUSE, and applicable copyright laws: the basic idea is that a fair-use display of a photo is contingent upon use in an educational manner, where the text provides "critical commentary" about that image (text in the article, not the image page). The restriction to have applicable commentary, in the article, prevents the use of images as mere decoration or advertising a set of products by posting all their images, without discussing each image. Again, the caption is a matter of copyright laws. Of course, from a practical standpoint, the goal is to avoid copyright problems, so if "everyone" is displaying the photo, it is highly unlikely to be an infrigement issue, such as with the iconic images of Knox & Sollecito. Nobody is going to sue Misplaced Pages over those basic images and rejecting them is just a waste of time. However, I understand, now, that many editors (and many admins) are unaware of the basic copyright laws. -Wikid77 10:56, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

The issue is not one of law, but of Misplaced Pages policy. Misplaced Pages is the free, as in free content, encyclopedia that anyone can edit. We do allow non-free content under certain limited circumstances, but those circumstances are governed by policy and not law. The policy, plus some explanation, is at Misplaced Pages:Non-free content. Any non-free content that doesn't comply with policy as defined there is going to get deleted sooner or later. The answer here is not to find slightly different pictures and upload them with the same non-free content rationale as before. It's the rationale that is the key. What you need is a much better rationale. You could ask for help in crafting a suitable rationale at Misplaced Pages talk:Non-free content. Or ask an an editor who is experienced in this field to help: User:DCGeist, for example, may be able to help you with this. Best regards, Angus McLellan (Talk) 11:15, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

New Suspect in Kercher case

Hi Wikid: I wanted to alert you to a new development published in Italian media, but not yet in US media. I translated the stories myself, but only in a rudimentary fashion. As best as I could translate, here is the info: A witness has come forward stating that on the night of the murder his/her brother came home covered in blood. The brother stated that he had been caught by an English girl after he broke into her house to rob her. A fight ensued and he killed the girl. He encountered a black boy in the bathroom on the way out whom he knew. He told the black boy that he would kill his adopted mother/step mother if he told anyone that he had been in the house. This witness has given a deposition under oath. If this information is true, and not a lie by a vengeful sibling or someone mentally ill, then this is a major turn of events. It all seems to fit, in that Guede told his biological father that there was someone else there that night. It also matches perfecty with Guede's original story. The main question is whether there are any forensics to back this up. Zlykinskyja (talk) 15:47, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Overlink crisis

We have discussed Misplaced Pages:Overlink crisis before. In my opinion as a developer, it is completely bogus on technical grounds. I have said this previously more than once, and tried removing the inaccurate parts of it multiple times, but you keep re-adding it without (IMO) actually addressing the facts I've presented. Since no one else has ever really edited the page much, I would suggest at this point that you move it to a user subpage, so that it's clear that it's only your opinion and others can judge it accordingly. I don't believe it should be in project space when it's disputed, and no one but you has actually indicated they agree with it or shown interest in maintaining it. Thanks. —Aryeh Gregor (talk • contribs) 20:43, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

• That essay, as typical, has already been tagged with:

"This essay contains the advice or opinions of one or more Misplaced Pages contributors. Essays may represent widespread norms or minority viewpoints. Consider these views with discretion."

I'm not sure why you object to informing readers that an article which contains 200 wikilinks, when expanded to have 8 bottom navboxes of 3,200 more wikilinks, will then contain 17x times as many wikilinks: 3400/200. Whereas if that same article just linked to 8 pages, it would avoid those 3,200 extra wikilinks. I have degrees in mathematics and computer science, and I have worked for years as a math tutor. What is your concern about avoiding 3400/200 = 17 times as many wikilinks? -Wikid77 (talk) 21:15, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

I don't object to you saying that, as long as you don't claim or imply that it's a performance or resources problem. Your latest revision adds text like "Where, formerly, one disk drive could have held a set amount of page-link data, 800 disk drives will subsequently be needed", which suggests that a resource problem exists. It doesn't. I tried to remove these inaccurate statements before, but you keep readding them. —Aryeh Gregor (talk • contribs) 21:08, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

• Okay, I see what you mean; I will remove those types of comments soon. -Wikid77 21:36, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

New Book

Hey Wikid. Feel free to edit my posts anytime. I just wanted you to know that there is a new book out that you will find useful. It is "Murder In Italy" by Candace Dempsey. I am finishing it now. It fills in a lot of missing pieces, such as that the coroner Dr Lalli and three other experts all concluded that they could not confirm that a sexual assault occurred, or that there was more than one attacker, or that the alleged knife was used to inflict those particular wounds. The author does a nice job of pulling all the info together. Check it out. While you are at the bookstore you should also pick up Monster of Florence by Douglas Preston and Mario Spezi. It is an excellent book and a real eye opener to the dysfunction in the Italian criminal justice sytem, including our own Mignini. Zlykinskyja (talk) 02:19, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Removal of All US Media Criticisms of the Case

I think this latest removal of all of the text that was in the media section about the criticisms by prominent US media types says clearly where this is headed. These editors clearly do not care about including both sides of the story, but only in wiping out whatever is in there now that does not damn K and S. I am disgusted and I am tired of wasting my time on this. Clearly, Misplaced Pages is broken when editors are free to ignore NPOV like that, even when it is an article about living persons. I think it is important for both of us to preserve copies of the entire article's "edit page" (having the text and references) as it exists now, so that we have documentation of what the article looked like before they whitewashed the article of the defense side of the story. Zlykinskyja (talk) 15:37, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

• I agree your time is too valuable to grovel in this mire, and I know it's hard to believe there are many intelligent people who haven't quit yet, but check out the other articles, and you'll find some amazing pages. Meanwhile, the complete article version, with balanced media coverage, and Detailed forensics, is: . The Bible warns, "Do not cast pearls before swine" as well as the adage, "Trying to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear" (I don't mean to compare anyone to pigs, as an insult, because pigs are much smarter than that, and wouldn't waste time starting such psycho-games). This is the dreaded En-psycho-pedia with people who would rather be "right" than decent and proper. But, I still see how Misplaced Pages provides that grand experiment: the social litmus test which lets us know how Hitler, Mengele and Stalin did not invent atrocities: such cruelty comes in every generation, as we see here. We came to wonder could modern people really persecute innocent students (really?), and we found such baseless persecution proven, indeed, firsthand. Have no fear: God will get them: I have seen amazing revelations, and they have no idea the power they have betrayed. Someone said AK departed Seattle with hundreds of friends, and now she has thousands. So, we just move on to other efforts. Please don't give up on the other decent people here. -Wikid77 (talk) 23:24, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Wikid, I just saw this new article by an FBI agent on the alleged bleaching at the cottage and Raffael's house. I thought you would be interested. http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/FBI6.html Zlykinskyja 00:29, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

• Thank you: finally some progress is actually addressing new content for the MoMK page. -Wikid77 21:36, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

What would Jesus Do?

The "Holy Bible" is the English-language name of the scriptures at the basis of Christianity.

Q. What did Jesus mean when he had said that people should not cast our PEARLS before SWINE?

A. That incident is in the Book of Matthew 7 verse 6:

" 'Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces.' " (Matthew 7:6, NKJV)

The word "pearls" as used in the verse is a metaphor for godly wisdom and the kingdom of God. The Bible contains many metaphors, where the words used in the text should not be taken literally. For example, when the word "dog" is used, it doesn't always refer to a 4-legged canine animal. -Wikid77 (talk) 00:42, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Fixing fractions in Template:Convert/Dual/LoffAmosDbSoff

For {Convert}, some ranges need to display fractions, by using {Convert/numdisp}, such as:

{{convert|2+98/99|x|4+7/8|ft|m|abbr=mos}}   → 2+98⁄99 by 4+7⁄8 feet (0.91 m × 1.49 m)

Other subtemplates need fractions, as well. -Wikid77 13:15, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Would you like me to help fix this? It looks like it just needs missing parentheses placed? For example, 29+1⁄2 by 23+1⁄2 inches (749 by 597 mm) is currently different from 29+1⁄2 by 23+1⁄2 inches (750 by 600 mm) and from . I could probably unravel it, but you are more familiar with the inner workings of convert. Thanks! Plastikspork _―Œ 17:18, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Yes, parentheses are needed, to have the same results as +29.5 (as 749 mm):

{{convert|29+1/2|by|23+1/2|in|mm|0}} → 29+1⁄2 by 23+1⁄2 inches (749 by 597 mm)

{{convert|29.5 |by|23.5 |in|mm|0}}        → 29.5 by 23.5 inches (749 by 597 mm)

{{convert|29+1/2|by|23+1/2|in|mm}}     → 29+1⁄2 by 23+1⁄2 inches (750 by 600 mm)

Fortunately, the range-converter subtemplates use 2 common display subtemplates which can be changed, instead. Put parentheses in both:

• Template:Convert/Dual/Loff & Template:Convert/Dual/Lon.

(Insert 2 pairs of parentheses "( )" around the use of {1} & {3}.)

Specifically, in Template:Convert/Dual/Loff, replace line 1 with the following copy/paste text:
{{convert/Dual/{{#ifexpr:0*{{{4}}}*0>0|s}}{{#ifexpr:2*{{{4}}}=0.5+{{{4}}}||p}}rnd|( {{{1}}} )|{{{2}}}|( {{{3}}} )|b=({{{4}}}*2-({{{4}}}))/{{{b}}}|j={{{j}}}|p={{#expr:2*{{{4}}}-({{{4}}})}}|s={{#expr:0*{{{4}}}*0}}|n={{{n}}}|l={{{l|{{{n}}}s}}}|h={{{h|{{{n}}}}}}|u={{{u}}}}}<noinclude>

Similarly, in Template:Convert/Dual/Lon, replace line 1 with the following copy/paste text:
{{convert/Dual/{{#ifexpr:0*{{{4}}}*0>0|s}}{{#ifexpr:2*{{{4}}}=0.5+{{{4}}}||p}}rnd|( {{{1}}} )|{{{2}}}|( {{{3}}} )|b=({{{4}}}*2-({{{4}}}))/{{{b}}}|j={{{j}}}|p={{#expr:2*{{{4}}}-({{{4}}})}}|s={{#expr:0*{{{4}}}*0}}|n=]|l=]|h=]|u=]|N={{{n}}}|L={{{l|{{{n}}}s}}}|H={{{h|{{{n}}}}}}|U={{{u}}}}}<noinclude>
Changing those 2 should fix the similar range subtemplates:

• Template:Convert/Dual/LoffAonDbSoff
• Template:Convert/Dual/LoffAinDbSoff
• Template:Convert/Dual/LoffAoutDbSoff
• Template:Convert/Dual/LonAoffDbSoff
• Template:Convert/Dual/LonAonDbSoff

For example, the following should show similar results after the updates:

{{convert|29+1/2|by|23+1/2|in|mm|lk=on|0}} → 29+1⁄2 by 23+1⁄2 inches (749 by 597 mm)

{{convert|29.5 |by|23.5 |in|mm|lk=on|0}}        → 29.5 by 23.5 inches (749 by 597 mm)

{{convert|29+1/2|by|23+1/2|in|mm|lk=on}}     → 29+1⁄2 by 23+1⁄2 inches (750 by 600 mm)

I tested the proposed changes on Simple Misplaced Pages. -Wikid77 (talk) 23:56, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

I tried it, but something went wrong and I got a bunch of red error messages. For example, your comment rendered as

So, there is something going wrong with the rounding? Thanks! Plastikspork _―Œ 00:09, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

FYI, here are the diffs for the edits, and . Thanks again. Plastikspork _―Œ 00:12, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps we need parentheses in {{Rnd/b1}}? Plastikspork _―Œ 00:14, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

• The parentheses must be inserted before reaching Rnd/b1, because of multiplication with conversion-factor {b}: somewhere, there must be ( {1} )*{b} and ( {3} )*{b} perhaps in Template:Convert/Dual/prnd & another subtemplate. I will debug Convert/round on Simple Misplaced Pages. See next topic. -Wikid77 17:24, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Fix for fractions in Convert/Dual/prnd

For range-conversions with a rounding parameter ("|0"), the handling of fractions can be fixed by changing Template:Convert/Dual/prnd, to have parentheses around both {1} & {3}.

In Template:Convert/Dual/prnd, replace line 1 with the following copy/paste text:
{{convert/{{{2}}}|{{rnd|( {{{1}}} )*{{{b}}}|({{{p}}})}}|{{rnd|( {{{3}}} )*{{{b}}}|({{{p}}})}}|u={{{u}}}|n={{{n}}}|l={{{l}}}|h={{{h}}}|U={{{U|{{{u}}}}}}|N={{{N|{{{n}}}}}}|L={{{L|{{{l}}}}}}|H={{{H|{{{h}}}}}}|k={{{k}}}}}<noinclude>

The following should show 749 mm (or 750) after the updates:

{{convert|29+1/2|by|23+1/2|in|mm|lk=on|0}} → 29+1⁄2 by 23+1⁄2 inches (749 by 597 mm)

{{convert|29.5 |by|23.5 |in|mm|lk=on|0}}        → 29.5 by 23.5 inches (749 by 597 mm)

{{convert|29+1/2|by|23+1/2|in|mm|lk=on}}     → 29+1⁄2 by 23+1⁄2 inches (750 by 600 mm)

Uneven fractions should also work ok, such as 2+98/99 ft as 0.91 m in both:

{{convert|2+98/99|x|4+7/8|ft|m|abbr=mos}}      → 2+98⁄99 by 4+7⁄8 feet (0.91 m × 1.49 m)

{{convert|2+98/99|x|4+7/8|ft|m|abbr=mos|2}}   → 2+98⁄99 by 4+7⁄8 feet (0.91 m × 1.49 m)

Only ranges with a rounding parameter ("|2") are affected. -Wikid77 (17:24, 23 May 2010) revised 13:33, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Great. It looks like that worked. So, do we still need to make changes in Lon and Loff? Plastikspork _―Œ 19:45, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

• The numbers seem correct, so now, the range-words need to use Convert/numdisp. See next topic. -Wikid77 13:33, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Changing subtemplates to display range fractions

Meanwhile, 4 more range-words need to use Convert/numdisp. Note the following:

{{convert|2+34/99|x|6+2/9|ft|m|abbr=on}}      → 2+34⁄99 ft × 6+2⁄9 ft (0.71 m × 1.90 m)

{{convert|2+34/99|x|6+2/9|ft|m|abbr=on|2}}   → 2+34⁄99 ft × 6+2⁄9 ft (0.71 m × 1.90 m)

{{convert|2+34/99|x|6+2/9|ft|m|lk=on}}         → 2+34⁄99 by 6+2⁄9 feet (0.71 m × 1.90 m)

All range-words (and, or, to, by, -, x, xx) should format the fractions:

{{convert|1+1/750|x|23+1/8|ft|m|abbr=on}}      → 1+1⁄750 ft × 23+1⁄8 ft (0.305 m × 7.049 m)

{{convert|1+1/750|xx|23+1/8|ft|m|abbr=on}}      → 1+1⁄750 × 23+1⁄8 ft (0.305 × 7.049 m)

{{convert|1+1/750|by|23+1/8|ft|m|abbr=on}}      → 1+1⁄750 by 23+1⁄8 ft (0.305 by 7.049 m)

{{convert|1+1/750|or|23+1/8|ft|m|abbr=on}}      → 1+1⁄750 or 23+1⁄8 ft (0.305 or 7.049 m)

{{convert|1+1/750|and|23+1/8|ft|m|abbr=on}}      → 1+1⁄750 and 23+1⁄8 ft (0.305 and 7.049 m)

{{convert|1+1/750|to|23+1/8|ft|m|abbr=on}}      → 1+1⁄750 to 23+1⁄8 ft (0.305 to 7.049 m)

{{convert|1+1/750|-|23+1/8|ft|m|abbr=on}}      → 1+1⁄750–23+1⁄8 ft (0.305–7.049 m)

See next 4 subtopics for changing 15 subtemplates. -Wikid77 13:33, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Displaying fractions for word: x

There are 4 subtemplates that display fractions for range-word "x" (as "2 x 6 mm"):

{{convert|1+2/7|x|3|ft|m|abbr=off}}     → 1+2⁄7 by 3 feet (0.39 by 0.91 metres)

{{convert|1+2/7|x|3|ft|m|abbr=on}}     → 1+2⁄7 ft × 3 ft (0.39 m × 0.91 m)

{{convert|1+2/7|x|3|ft|m|abbr=none}}  → 1+2⁄7 by 3 feet (0.39 by 0.91 metres)

{{convert|1+2/7|x|3|ft|m|adj=on}}      → 1+2⁄7-by-3-foot (0.39 m × 0.91 m)

{{convert|1+2/7|x|3|ft|m|abbr=on|adj=on}} → 1+2⁄7 ft × 3 ft (0.39 m × 0.91 m)

Note how the results are a combination of "by" and "×" where the word "by" is displayed for full unit names.

• To fix Template:Convert/x/AoffSoff, copy Template:Convert/by/AoffSoff to show "by".
• To fix Template:Convert/x/AoffSon, copy Template:Convert/by/AoffSon to show "by".
• To fix Template:Convert/x/AonSoff, copy Template:Convert/xx/AonSoff to show "×".
• To fix Template:Convert/x/AonSon, copy Template:Convert/xx/AonSon to show "×".

To test, redisplay this section. -Wikid77 13:33, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Okay, these are done. I made a few minor tweaks, which probably weren't necessary in retrospect. Were the 'xx' versions meant to be experimental version of the 'x' templates to suppress the display of duplicate units? This feature didn't appear to be in the 'x' templates, which is why I tweaked it a bit to add the "if the units are the same" logic. Plastikspork _―Œ 04:14, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Displaying fractions for word: and

There are 4 subtemplates that display fractions for range-word "and":

{{convert|1+2/7|and|3|ft|m|abbr=off}}     → 1+2⁄7 and 3 feet (0.39 and 0.91 metres)

{{convert|1+2/7|and|3|ft|m|abbr=on}}     → 1+2⁄7 and 3 ft (0.39 and 0.91 m)

{{convert|1+2/7|and|3|ft|m|abbr=none}}  → 1+2⁄7 and 3 feet (0.39 and 0.91 metres)

{{convert|1+2/7|and|3|ft|m|adj=on}}       → 1+2⁄7-and-3-foot (0.39 and 0.91 m)

{{convert|1+2/7|and|3|ft|m|abbr=on|adj=on}} → 1+2⁄7-and-3 ft (0.39-and-0.91 m)

• To fix Template:Convert/and/AoffSoff, copy Template:Convert/xx/AoffSoff, replace "&nbsp;×&nbsp;" (with " and "): note that the non-breaking spaces (&nbsp) become regular spaces around " and ".
• To fix Template:Convert/and/AoffSon, copy Template:Convert/xx/AoffSon, replace "×" (with "and").
• To fix Template:Convert/and/AonSoff, copy Template:Convert/xx/AonSoff, replace "×" (with "and").
• To fix Template:Convert/and/AonSon, copy Template:Convert/xx/AonSon, replace "×" (with "and").

To test, redisplay this section. -Wikid77 13:33, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Okay, these are done. Hopefully I got everything correct. Plastikspork _―Œ 05:00, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Displaying fractions for word: to

There are 4 subtemplates that display fractions for range-word "to" (as "7 to 8"):

{{convert|1+2/7|to|3|ft|m|abbr=off}}     → 1+2⁄7 to 3 feet (0.39 to 0.91 metres)

{{convert|1+2/7|to|3|ft|m|abbr=on}}     → 1+2⁄7 to 3 ft (0.39 to 0.91 m)

{{convert|1+2/7|to|3|ft|m|abbr=none}}  → 1+2⁄7 to 3 feet (0.39 to 0.91 metres)

{{convert|1+2/7|to|3|ft|m|adj=on}}      → 1+2⁄7-to-3-foot (0.39 to 0.91 m)

{{convert|1+2/7|to|3|ft|m|abbr=on|adj=on}} → 1+2⁄7-to-3 ft (0.39-to-0.91 m)

• Fix Template:Convert/to/AoffSoff: copy Template:Convert/xx/AoffSoff and replace "×" (as "to").
• Skip Template:Convert/to/AoffSon: it was fixed 2 April 2010.
• Fix Template:Convert/to/AonSoff: copy Template:Convert/xx/AonSoff and replace "×" (as "to").
• Fix Template:Convert/to/AonSon: copy Template:Convert/xx/AonSon and replace "×" (as "to").

To test, redisplay this section. -Wikid77 13:33, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Should be done. Plastikspork _―Œ 05:10, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Displaying fractions for word: minus

The 4 subtemplates displaying "–" do not use spaces around the dash:

{{convert|1|-|2+3/4|ft|m|abbr=off}}     → 1–2+3⁄4 feet (0.30–0.84 metres)

{{convert|1|-|2+3/4|ft|m|abbr=on}}     → 1–2+3⁄4 ft (0.30–0.84 m)

{{convert|1|-|2+3/4|ft|m|adj=on}}      → 1–2+3⁄4-foot (0.30–0.84 m)

{{convert|1|-|2+3/4|ft|m|abbr=on|adj=on}} → 1–2+3⁄4 ft (0.30–0.84 m)

When fixing the 4 subtemplates displaying "–" then omit any spaces around the dash, so drop any "&nbsp;" around the "x":

• Fix Template:Convert/-/AoffSoff: copy Template:Convert/xx/AoffSoff, swap "&nbsp;×&nbsp;" as "&ndash;" with no spaces around the dash, unlike all the other range-words formatted with spaces.
• Fix Template:Convert/-/AoffSon: copy Template:Convert/xx/AoffSon, swap "-×-" as "&ndash;".
• Fix Template:Convert/-/AonSoff: copy Template:Convert/xx/AonSoff, swap "&nbsp;×&nbsp;" as "&ndash;".
• Create Template:Convert/-/AonSon: copy Template:Convert/xx/AonSon, swap "-×-" with dash "&ndash;". That subtemplate has been overlooked all these years, but it should be created.

To test, redisplay this section. -Wikid77 13:33, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Done. Plastikspork _―Œ 05:21, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

More conversion bugs

Wikid, please see Template talk:Convert#Conversion bug for two additional buge to be fixed. Peter Horn User talk 19:51, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

This one should now be fixed Plastikspork _―Œ 07:26, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Partial revert

I had to revert this edit, due to a problem with {{convert|4800|-|4900|m|ft|sigfig=3|sp=us}}. It was complaining about commas in the expressions used for computing the converted units. Basically, it appears as though the numbers are being formatted before they are handed off to the #expr. I didn't have time to debug it completely, so I just reverted it for now. I image the other ranges have the same problem, but no one has complained yet. Thanks! Plastikspork _―Œ 07:26, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I believe I figured it out, it appears as though this fixed it. I think the rest of them will need the same fix. Plastikspork _―Œ 07:39, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

There is a problem with the range conversion at the Deepwater Horizon oil spill article. One more bug was temporarily fixed by splitting the template. Beagel (talk) 07:42, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I will fix that one next. Thanks! Plastikspork _―Œ 07:55, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Okay, while checking them all, it looks like you did notice this was a problem, but not all of them were corrected. So many templates :) Thanks! Plastikspork _―Œ 08:11, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Convert fraction test

What do you think about creating a subtemplate, say {{convert/is_frac}}, which returns 1 if the number has a fraction, and 0 if it doesn't. This test is repeated many times in the other subtemplates, and would simplify the code a bit. Although, it would mean yet another transclusion. Thanks for your help! Plastikspork _―Œ 15:55, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

• As you noted, creating another subtemplate, to detect a fraction, would increase the template-nesting by another transclusion. That would defeat the main purpose of testing for fractions, which is to avoid invoking other nested subtemplates unless needed to format a fraction in an amount. The template-nest limit has, in fact, been exceeded in the Convert/doc documentation subpage, itself, due to invoking Convert/numdisp to display fractions when none were present. Until the English Misplaced Pages and Portuguese Misplaced Pages, both, announce a long-term-policy change to allow more than 40 nested templates, I think we should avoid creating another nested template to detect fractions in amounts, which can be done, instead, by adding just 1 if-expression where fractions might be used. Meanwhile, we should continue to combine other nested subtemplates, even though making template coding somewhat more complex, to reduce the current nesting of Convert subtemplates. Some infobox projects have proposed banning Convert due to template-nesting limits exceeded in their triple-nested infoboxes. Plus, similar changes are also needed on Simple Misplaced Pages, where there is a shortage of admins to perform edit-protected updates to Convert: see simple:Template_talk:Convert/updates for a list of edit-requests, which have been pending on Simple Misplaced Pages. -Wikid77 (talk) 15:46, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Tracklist custom

Template:Tracklist custom has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. UtherSRG (talk) 14:07, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Straight out of what you call "wiki jail" and then this.

Going down the same venue you were blocked for might not be the best start after two weeks. You made clear that you blame all your blocks (incl. the latest) on admins and editors so there is no sense in explaining why you where blocked and there is no learning experience from your side shown at all as the post I pointed out shows. You're really one of a kind, if I may say so. Anyhow, please try to keep your insults to a minimum. Thanks, on behalf of all editors who don't agree with your truth, The Magnificent Clean-keeper (talk) 16:47, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

MoMK

As a contributor at the MoMK article and/or talk page, please take a look at the new draft and the draft's talkpage and voice your opinion. Thanks, The Magnificent Clean-keeper (talk) 20:04, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

RE: your message to B9

I think you have misjudged the situation here, and I suppose as the leader of the supposed evil cabal that is driving away a "scholar" it is up to me to rebut. I don't believe B9 is a genuine scholar. If you read his writings carefully and parse out the meaning of the sentences, one thing becomes alarmingly clear: for the most part it's just empty, flowery phrases devoid of meaning interspersed with long quotes from actual scholars. I suspect that B9 tries to hide his own lack of understanding by quoting others and then adding his own writings that don't actually say anything but do show off his vocabulary. It's like watching a movie that has dazzling special effects to distract you from the fact that the plot is full of holes and the stars are not very talented actors. I don't enjoy this aspect of Misplaced Pages any more than he is enjoying it, but if a user is damaging rather than improving articles and refuses to acknowledge there is a problem, what would you have us do? I have to do the same thing in my "real world" job occasionally, and believe me that is no fun either. I've had people yell and scream, threaten me, cry, vow revenge, make harassing phone calls and even resort to calling the police because I had to kick them out because they were causing problems despite repeated warnings. One guy stole my car and drunkenly drove into a thicket after I fired him for being incompetent. Part of the nature of incompetence is an inability to recognize it in oneself. Beeblebrox (talk) 09:43, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

• I have recommended one last effort to see if B9 would help develop a "Scholars guide to writing WP" and if not, then declare a hopeless case where no compromise was possible. Sometimes, people need to work step-by-step to pinpoint the meaning of "simplified text" rather than imagine everyone sees "general readers" as the exact same reading-level. -Wikid77 (talk) 10:17, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
  • But would a "12 year old kid" or someone who doesn't know what he's doing comes across an article like Nondualism? Fat chance... OhanaUnited 13:10, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

You miss the point. Much of what he writes is incomprehensible to anyone, regardless of age or intelligence. I really don't think this is about Buddhism, or Misplaced Pages's anti-expert biases, which I do not deny exist. This is about a user who is faking being an expert. Beeblebrox (talk) 16:33, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

• Looking at your latest message, you are also missing the same point that B9 missed: Misplaced Pages's fundamental model for decision making is consensus. The consensus on this matter is perfectly clear, writing such as B9 has added is not appropriate for an encyclopedia and endeavoring to get more of it posted is not needed or desired by the community. B9 has just been indefinitely blocked for adding such writing and refusing to acknowledge the problem, so obviously trying to add more of his style of "scholar poetry" is not going to end well. Beeblebrox (talk) 16:49, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Announcements seen as canvassing

You are instructed not to canvass users. Please review WP:CANVASS, and do not repeat this behavior. Hipocrite (talk) 20:34, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

I did not canvass users. I am sorry if you misunderstood. Please re-read WP:CANVASS in comparison to announcements. -Wikid77 (talk) 21:39, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

• I came here to say the same thing. Your behaviour around Amanda Knox is now becoming disruptive. You have created a clear WP:POVFORK/WP:COATRACK (your version of the article wasn't about Knox, it was about the trial), and are now violating WP:CANVASS in relation to the AfD. I would advise you to stop now, before you are blocked. Black Kite (t) (c) 20:46, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

The article "Amanda Knox" summarizes all the events that make Amanda Knox notable, not just the first trial, but the 2nd trial for defamation, and the 3rd trial of the appeal about the 1st trial. You might have been reading a version of the article which has been hacked to contain less information about all 3 trials. Amanda Knox does not gain individual notability from 1 trial, but rather from the combination of the 1st trial and the 2nd trial, as covered by major sources, over a period of years (see WP:BLP1E. If those trials are removed from her article, then notability would be justifiably questioned. Please read WP:NOTABLE. -Wikid77 (talk) 21:39, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Please note that I have raised this issue at WP:ANI. Quantpole (talk) 22:06, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

I have read WP:CANVASSING, as had Hipocrite and Black Kite, your messages appeared to be to a specific group who had previously shared your views, and were in no way unbiased notifications. I propose that you re-read WPCANVASS. S.G. _ping! 22:40, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

I received a notice about Amanda Knox. I am not interested in editing that article now but would like to in the future.

There is much inconsistency in Misplaced Pages. An Amanda Knox article has received much fighting while other murder articles have not. Others point to "other crap exist" arguments but there is a "similar treatment is ok" argument, too. In particular, AFDs should be consistent. Other crap may be crap because it never went to the AFD stage. This varying treatment of things should be minimized as much as possible.

As far as canvassing, encouragement to write should not be seen as canvassing.

As far as Amanda Knox being an article or not, several strategies are possible. One is an article incubator. If this is used, there should be a link just like a disambigulation page on the Murder of Meredith article. This is not used in articles now, but should be. For example, on the top of Amanda Knox or the Amanda Knox section, there could be a "Main article: Article incubator - Amanda Knox".

As far as the current AFD, there really needs to be a wikiproject wide discussion on who is notable. For example, Philip Markoff is an obscure murderer who has an article but Amanda Knox is much more well known and does not. If there is one murderer, it should be Amanda. If there are two, both are ok. This is consistent with the WP:SimilarTreatmentIsOK. Good luck on the article. Suomi Finland 2009 (talk) 14:31, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Request

I would encourage you to refer to and encourage more people to know about WP:SimilarTreatmentIsOK, particularly in AFDs. Suomi Finland 2009 (talk) 14:34, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

I think many people would agree with you. -Wikid77 (talk) 02:14, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Topic ban and disruption final warinng

Per WP:ANI consensus, you are hereby prohibited from participating in article-creation or deletion-discussions for Amanda Knox, Murder of Meredith Kercher, or other similar crime/criminal topics for 3 months. You are further reminded that canvassing and creating WP:POINT articles are types of WP:DE. Consider this your final warning on these types of behaviors. Continuation of these types of disruption or violation of this topic-ban will lead to immediate blocking (probably indef, based on your extensive prior block history). DMacks (talk) 08:49, 11 June 2010 (UTC)