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Speedy deletion nomination of Jurek Wilner

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A tag has been placed on Jurek Wilner requesting that it be speedily deleted from Misplaced Pages. This has been done because the article, which appears to be about a real person, individual animal(s), an organization (band, club, company, etc.), or web content, does not indicate how or why the subject of the article is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not indicate the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable.

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I have removed this speedy deletion tag - the subject is clearly notable. Thparkth (talk) 01:21, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! And thank you for adding extra sources to the article.radek (talk) 01:22, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Tadeusz Adamowski

Uh oh. Here's what I heard back today:

"Thank you for your inquiry regarding Tadeusz Adamowski and the Harvard men’s hockey team. Unfortunately, we have no record of Mr. Adamowski ever playing varsity hockey at Harvard. He is not on our letterwinners list, was not in any of the team photos from 1919-25 and is not in our directory of former athletes. It is possible that he was a member of the team for all or part of a season but did not compete enough to earn a varsity letter and was also not present for the team photo. It is also possible that he played on a team while at Harvard but did not play on the university’s varsity team. I’m sorry I can’t be of more assistance to you.

Thanks, Casey

Casey Hart Assistant Director, Harvard Athletic Communications, Murr Center, 65 North Harvard Street, Boston, MA 02163".

I think this means that we have to change what is written about Adamowski's being on the Harvard varsity hockey team, unless or until we get further verification. There are, of course, some sources that report that he played hockey at Harvard, but could it be that someone as skilled as he was did not actually play for Harvard's varsity team? If so, where did he learn to play?

Here's what I wrote in return: "Thanks, Casey. I appreciate your effort on this. It's definitely then a mystery how Adamowski became such a good hockey player! He led the Polish team and scored 2 goals during the 1928 Olympics. I know he attended Harvard, since his photo is in the yearbook. We'll just have to do some more research."~Mack2~ (talk) 02:31, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

I spoke to my SIL today, as now I am in vacation and we spent some time with her. She thinks we should contact one of Helenka's relatives (e.g., daughter-in-law), both on this and to get photos. I'll try to follow up on that, but it will take a bit of time.~Mack2~ (talk) 02:28, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

For starters I'd remove any mention of "varsity" from the article until we can verify it/get more precise information. Basically, need more info.radek (talk) 02:40, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Add: The Harvard yearbook definitely lists him as being on the "hockey squad". Actually I'm not sure if such things as "varsity" existed back then. Can you email the coach the link to the 1922 Harvard Red book?radek (talk) 02:42, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

I just emailed that link with a note: Hi Casey, What we have is a link to the Harvard Red Book from 1922 with an image of Adamowski, and the comment beneath the image that he was on the "Hockey Squad." We don't know if "varsity hockey" was organized at Harvard in that year. Thanks again for your information. ]~Mack2~ (talk) 11:57, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

I just noticed that the picture, which is supposedly from freshman year, puts Tad's age at 17. But he was born in 1901. In any event he was in Warsaw by 1925, presumably a graduate of Harvard.~Mack2~ (talk) 12:31, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

I received another note from Casey, who wrote: "My assumption would be that he was part of the freshman team for at least part of that season. The earliest freshman or JV roster I have is from 1925. In that season, he did not play for the Harvard varsity, JV or freshman teams." But of course, she doesn't have rosters from 1922-1924, and Tad was in Warsaw in 1925. So based on the Harvard-provided information, we cannot EXCLUDE the possibility that Tad was on the Crimson team during 1922-1924; but we also can't confirm that he was on the team during that period either. My inclination is therefore not to change what's in WP until or unless we get further information.~Mack2~ (talk) 15:11, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Ah, I've figured out the age thing. The yearbook is actually for "Class of 1922" not "from 1922". The publication date is 1919 so it fits in with Tadeusz being born in 1901.radek (talk) 21:34, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

EUREKA. On a hunch, I did a search of the Harvard Crimson (newspaper) electronic database. Here's what I found, and sent to Casey Hart:

My speculation about looking for his name in the "Harvard Crimson" paid off. Fortunately the Crimson's electronic archive goes waaay back.

1: An issue from January 17, 1919 reports that Adamowski was on the freshman team for the "1922 Harvard squad": http://www.thecrimson.com/article/1919/1/17/1922-hockey-squad-cut-to-25/

It does not say how many years he played, but at least we've got him on the team at one point. If you had records from 1919-1922, it would help to make things certain but this is good enough evidence for us, I think.

2: A Crimson story from 1920 also mentions T. Adamowski as winning his match playing for the Harvard Fencing Team: http://www.thecrimson.com/article/1920/2/18/fencing-team-defeats-tech-pthe-university/ . Another story about Adamowski the fencer: http://www.thecrimson.com/article/1920/1/22/match-with-graduate-team-first-of/

Adamowski was a two-sport man for the Crimson.

3: In my opinion, the Harvard website that lists athletes who were in the Olympics should definitely include Adamowski as a 1928 Olympian for the Polish national hockey team -- on the 1928 team, see http://en.wikipedia.org/Poland_at_the_1928_Winter_Olympics as well as the Misplaced Pages bio for Tadeusz Adamowski.

He was a two-sport athlete for Harvard who was in the Olympics, and in my opinion should be listed on this page: http://www.gocrimson.com/information/history/olympians

4: In addition, FWIW, Adamowski was on the Harvard R.O.T.C. Field Artillery Unit, in a Crimson story from March 15, 1920: http://www.thecrimson.com/article/1920/3/15/university-artillery-men-show-up-well/

Alright, let me read through these sources.radek (talk) 02:24, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Learned a couple of things today from talking to my MIL, who knew Tad very well but was still surprised to see details in the WP bio that she hadn't known, in particular about his specific achievements in hockey. (1) When he was escaping Soviet control in Poland on his way to Italy, he relied on his fluent French and his native-like fluency in English to make his way around, sometimes using an assumed name (after all, what papers did he have?), namely Ralph Adams. (2) He was not yet an American citizen when he was given safe passage back to the U.S. in company of American military -- had dual Swiss and Polish citizenship, even though his sister, born 12 months before he was, had American citizenship. He only got his U.S. citizenship after WW II. He did speak native-like American English, since he grew up in the U.S.~Mack2~ (talk) 03:11, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Opatów Palace

Can you make Opatów Palace compliant with the Gdansk/Danzig vote? I realize that sometimes when writing stuff the G/D vote is not the first thing that springs to mind, particularly when translating from Polish or German, but respectin' the vote avoids a lot of potential trouble. I also think the title should be Abbot's Palace (Oliwa), which is the term used in english language sources. HerkusMonte (talk) 15:12, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Hmm, not sure what you're referring to - it already mentions Free City of Danzig. But the move suggestion is a good idea. Thanks.radek (talk) 19:21, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

• Your latest edit (After her death in 1888 the ownership of the palace was taken over by the city of Oliwa..) clearly violates the Gdansk vote. Oliwa is a district of Gdansk and 1888 is clearly "between 1308 and 1945".
• The bishops of Ermland resided in the Palace until 1836, I'm unable to see a reason for your removal. I would appreciate if you would restore this information. HerkusMonte (talk) 06:17, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

My apologies, my only intent was to remove the clarification tag - since the info is right there in the source. This is actually part of the reason why I despise and hardly ever use the "{{Cite=" inline tags; it makes it a big pain in the butt to tell apart which portion is text and which is reference, and there's very little reason for using them.

While we're on the subject of respectin' the Gdansk/Danzig vote, when are you going to move "Jewish community of Danzig" to "Jewish community of Gdansk", as the vote requires?radek (talk) 07:06, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Talkback

USSR

Are you still working on the Economy of the Soviet Union article, or should i take over the controls of the project? --TIAYN (talk) 16:17, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

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