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City Island page move

See the corrseponding talk page. No offense, but I'm REALLY tired. Pacific Coast Highway 03:04, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

You

You are most welcome to visit my new user page, you feature in it.

MOS rant

Thanks for the comment about my MOS rant — I was semi-expecting more opposition than agreement, so it's great to hear that someone agrees with me! If only others saw it the same way... :-D Neonumbers 09:40, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Crusader

Thanks for the note about my successful RfA. You have always been something of a diambiguation crusader hero of mine. --Commander Keane 20:03, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

My RFA

I'm sorry you found reason to be neutral on my request for adminship, but now that I've been promoted, I'd like to clear the slate. If you have any specific issues/problems with me, please feel free to state them on my talk page so that I can work to prevent them in the future.  ALKIVAR™ 07:28, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

{{2LCdisambig}}

I replied to your question on my talk page.—GraemeMcRae 04:34, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Disambiguating abbreviations

You contributed to the TFD discussion for Template:2LCdisambig. I am following this with further discussion at Misplaced Pages talk:Manual of Style (disambiguation pages)#Abbreviations. Susvolans ⇔ 18:44, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Church of Reality

And you deleted the Church of Reality because? --Marcperkel 02:01, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Because it was a recreation of a previously deleted article, as per Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Church of reality and Misplaced Pages:Criteria for speedy deletion (item General/4) --RoySmith 02:10, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

The reason it was originally deleted was that at the time it was considered to not be notable with 3,000 google hits and it wasn't an IRS recognized church. It now has 24,900 google hits and it is an IRS recognized church. So the reason it was deleted no longer exists. So - can you undelete it? --Marcperkel 02:28, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

I see you've already listed it on WP:DRV, which is the correct procedure, thank you. If the consensus there is that it should be undeleted, I (or some other admin) will be happy to undelete it. --02:35, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

But there are LIES there about the CoR having only ONE member. I'm correcting that.

--Marcperkel 03:41, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

I didn't threaten anyone. I will direct members to plead the case of the Church of Reality direcly to those who are blocking it. If we can't talk about it in the undelete section then we will have to go to those who are deleting it. If you won't let me speak then they will help me be heard. --Marcperkel 19:02, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

• For the record, he's already sent out an e-mail telling people on his little mailing list to post things to my user page. I think he's on the fast track to getting blocked, personally. --Fastfission 19:10, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Regarding your post on the Administrators%27 noticeboard... Church of Reality was recently deleted after an ugly fight culminating in the author of that article, Mark Perkel, being blocked for a week and deleted page being protected. Perkel then userfied the CofR page. Now, there's a Marc Perkel article, which contains a wikilink to that userfied version. It's unclear how to deal with this. On the one hand, I guess a user has the right to put whatever they want on their user pages. On the other hand, this looks like it's really just a clever way to get around the deletion process. Perhaps some more experienced admins could take a look at this and figure out what (if anything) should be done? --RoySmith 17:28, 7 December 2005 (UTC) (I hope you don't mind the c/p... I didn't feel like my comment should be on that page...) I "userfied" a small subset of the CofR page (which I outlined here), not Marc (not that it actually makes a difference, but I feel I should take credit for that blunder). I also put the link to that page into the Marc Perkel article, but it looks like Cryptic fixed that. I didn't know linking to the user space from the main space was against policy... Anyway, I just wanted to apologize and let you know that I actually created the sub page and I'm still not even sure that Marc even knows about it... Only one other user has even touched it for the whole week it has been up and all he did was remove the stubs I added to the bottom of the post. (Which apparently is also against policy...) Sorry about that. Paul 23:01, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Please unblock me!

Hi, Curps, I trust you watch my talk page and will see this. It's really kind of funny, so please read the whole thing.

It all started when I was watching the recent Church of Reality blowup on WP:DRV and was thinking of blocking User:Marcperkel but I've never actually blocked anybody since being made an admin. Rather than experiment on somebody else, I figured I'd practice on myself.

So, I made myself a new account with the user name of (you can see what's coming, can't you?) RoySmith-1. I figured I'd log in as RoySmith-1, make some minor edit, then log in again as RoySmtih and block RoySmith-1 to see how it works.

Well, before I could get to that, some friendly admin named User:Curps came along and protected me from evil impersonators by blocking User:RoySmith-1:

• 19:31, 29 November 2005 Curps blocked "User:RoySmith-1" with an expiry time of indefinite (too similar to existing user RoySmith)

Apparently, this also triggered an auto-block of the IP address User:RoySmith-1 logged in from, namely 66.114.67.13, which is the static IP of my DSL connection:

• 19:33, 29 November 2005, Curps blocked #61835 (expires 19:33, 30 November 2005) (Unblock) (Autoblocked because your IP address has been recently used by "RoySmith-1". The reason given for RoySmith-1's block is: "too similar to existing user RoySmith".)

Which means I can't log in either! I assure you, I really do find this whole chain of events rather funny, but could you please unblock my IP so I can log in again? Thanks. --RoySmith 01:09, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Hi, happened to see this in recent changes, so I'll just unbock you myself. Cheers,Sean|Black 01:13, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

I'm free, I'm free! Thanks :-) --RoySmith 01:14, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

To test blocking, you can just block yourself, no need to create a new account. Just select "other" and enter something like "60 seconds". -- Curps 01:27, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

PS, under the above circumstances you could just unblock yourself, no need to wait for someone else. -- Curps 01:30, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Your user page

Sorry, I just couldn't resist accepting your challenge. =] Peyna 03:21, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

OK, points for trying. It was better than most. --RoySmith 03:27, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

I spent a whole 5 minutes trying to think of something clever. More time than I put into most of my edits. I still feel empty afterwards though. Vandalism just isn't as rewarding as actual contributing. Peyna 03:32, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Well, think of it this way, things can only improve! --RoySmith 03:37, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

speedying

You said "It looks like you speedied 4 or 5 items inside a single set of at/ab templates. Is that what you intended?"

To which the only reply can be: oh, good golly, no! Um. I speedied Jody Capps, and closed that AfD ... what else have I done? Thanks for bringing this to my attention! fuddlemark (fuddle me!) 04:37, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Poor admin?

I see you are a recent admin, however, your creation of User:RoySmith-1 to me seems rather imature and poor way to test, and I personally don't feel that logging up wikipedia with your tests is useful.

Also from looking at you, you seen rather harsh with your actions, and commonly revert edits, which could be disputed, and do not bother to discuss on the talk page, personally I am unsure of your value to WP.

(above unsigned comment by User:172.202.83.40)

• If there are any particular edits that I reverted which you think I did in error, I would be happy to discuss them with you if you care to identify yourself. Or you are free to revert my reversions if you prefer. --RoySmith 18:52, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

• Just happened to ntice this comment. It seems pretty gutless to come in and make lame accusations with no examples as an anon. Is this anon useful to wikipedia? Also what is the evidence that Roy created that User:RoySmith-1 user page? It too was created by an anon user David D. (Talk) 19:14, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

• OK i just saw the above description of the block and static IP. Still using anon accounts to make comments as above is not helpful. It would be really ironic if said user was an admin too. David D. (Talk) 19:21, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/List of modern day dictators

We were at 60% at the end of 5 days, which means that a consensus may be in the realm of possibility if the discussion period is extended, which is hardly an unheard of practices in past instances that have been similar. I recommend reopening the vote-- two days at the very least in order to make the discussion period a full week-- rather than protecting the page. 172 14:48, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

I'm not saying that an error was made in the procedure. There was no error. But Misplaced Pages is not a legal bureaucracy. Administrators overseeing the VfD process have the discretion to extend discussion periods. IMO this instance is the right time for someone to use such discretion in order to give the other editors who have not yet had the chance to post their feedback a chance to work toward a consensus on the discussion. 172 15:05, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

I suggest you unprotect this page since there is no harm in further discussion. Since there was neither an edit war to stop nor a request for protection on WP:RFPP, your action left me puzzled. The Uninvited Co., Inc. 17:27, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

The discussion is closed, so protecting the page does no harm. As a practical matter, I do notice that the discussion is still going on full-force in a number of different places, so I don't think anybody is being stiffled. If you can find some other admin to unprotect it, I won't object. --RoySmith 17:59, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

No problem. Anyway it was an easy mistake. A problem with my sig meant that I had to use jtdirl rather than fearÉireann at one stage to sign a comment, and so it may have looked like two people. It would have been dishonest to leave both there. I wouldn't dream of leaving both there. Thanks for the message. It was appreciated. FearÉIREANN\ 21:29, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Reverts?

I do not understand how you can justify "reverting" my comments in the vote for deletion on Sholom Keller . If, as has been claimed, the Vfd is a discussion, then reverting such comments is akin to vandalism on your part, and an attempt to influence the voting process. Note that it is also mutually exclusive to the afd-newbie tag put in by User:Peyna. Whilst I understand your decision to "back up" an admin who was accused of doing the wrong thing (User:Splash), you doing the wrong thing as well only makes things worse.

Please can you "revert" the "reverting" that you did, to aid in the discussion process, and also remove the "newbie" tag put in by Peyna. Thanks. Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy Darwikinian Eventualist 01:14, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

What specifically prompted me to revert your "clarifications" was the comment by FluteyFlakes88. This person said Don't Delete, and you added Keep. One had to read carefully to make sure those were two different ways of saying the same thing, not two different comments. Your clarification actually made things more confusing. For what it's worth, I was not "backing up another admin". I made my revert before I even noticed that somebody else had already reverted your similar comments.

I have dropped a note at User talk:Michan asking that user to clarify their comment, which I think is the appropriate way to deal with unclear comments. I did not do the same with the anon commenters, because I tend to completely discount comments from anons. If you think it would be useful, I invite you to likewise ask them to clarify their own comments.

As for the afd-newbie tag, I had nothing to do with that, I suggest you take that up with the user who placed it there. --RoySmith 01:32, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for your support even though I decided against you; it means a lot for me. I really hate these close AfDs, especially since it seems to have been a first contribution, but there will always be borderline cases. -- Jitse Niesen (talk) 02:18, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

While the AfD for this has already been closed, I want to chime in since my name was mentioned. I added the {{afd-newbies}} in order to emphasis that AfD is a discussion and not a vote. It's not any kind of official template. In fact, it was created a couple of days ago in response to another contentious AfD that involved Meatpuppets. I think it was entirely appropriate given the apparrent misconception of several of the people involved in the discussion that AfD is a democratic voting process. Peyna 03:02, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Pyronano and Thermogentech

I just merged these two articles like you asked. I hope everything looks OK. (Stephen Day 20:27, 3 December 2005 (UTC))

Looks fine, thanks. --RoySmith 20:36, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles_for_deletion/Lizzy_the_Eagle

Hi there. I noticed in the AFD that there was a consensus vote to merge (5/0) yet you decided to redirect. Whilst I can't recall what the content of the artice was, I was wondering if you would be able to reproduce it in to College_of_Saint_Elizabeth? Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy Darwikinian Eventualist 02:42, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

The entire content of Lizzy the Eagle was: Lizzy the Eagle is the mascot of the College of Saint Elizabeth. Lizzy is a bald eagle. The name Lizzy comes from a shortened nickname of Elizabeth.. College_of_Saint_Elizabeth already contained the text Mascot: Lizzy the Eagle, which seemed to cover things well enough. If you think something significant got left out, then by all means, please add it. --RoySmith 02:51, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Are you a stalker?

Seems not only do you delete my articles but also articles that other people write about me. You seem determined to delete anything about me and the Church of Reality. What's up with that?--Marcperkel 21:28, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

The most unfortunate of all eggs

...has seen some attention by another editor, and some cleaning by me. Would you take another look at Shirred egg and perhaps reconsider your afd vote? :) --Syrthiss 17:39, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Theocracy

I ran across you on the edits for Anne Hutchinson and I thought you might like to, or perhaps might know someone who would like to help me edit the Theocracy page? It's currently in a very shoddy state and I'm not quite sure how to go about editing it. Any sudjestions? I'd love to hear from you. --spazz 18:29, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Oops

I don't know why my previous entry was entilted "Theology", it was a slip of the hand I think, I really just wanted to recruit you since you seemed knowledgeable and fair. I'm currently doing a research project on Anne Hutchinson, hence my interest in theocracy, which seems to be left out of the article yet for some reason seems to play a role somewhere in her trial acording to my studies. Thanks for the help. Spazz 20:01, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Adolfo Carrión Jr.

Yes, one would think after 5 copyvio reverts that editor would get the message. :) Anyway, I'll keep an eye on it. Garion1000 (talk) 14:28, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Blocked user

Thanks for blocking 141.154.58.89. Their behavior was really annoying. --Kmf164 21:53, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

You people are a bunch of losers you have nothing better to do then patrol this site. Why does it bother you that I add my birthday to the list. Get a life loser

Self repairing vandals and newbies

Hi there. I saw your note in the Administrator's noticeboard, and I thought I'd write to you in your talk page about it, since its actually a pretty big deal to me with this kind of topic.

I think that we should realise that we are all newbies once. I can remember being a newbie, and really in a lot of ways I still am a newbie. Still lots of stuff I don't understand. I just found out how to e-mail a user yesterday, and I still think I did it wrong. I am sure that you can remember being a newbie too. And you can probably remember some of the experimentation that you did too. Or even if you didn't do any, you were probably accused of doing the wrong thing. I think that pretty much everyone is. I think that every newbie gets bitten at some point, in spite of WP:BITE. Is there a newbie who is not bitten? I don't know. Every one I see is. Some get bitten worse than others, and some retaliate while others quit while others actually work to try to prove themselves worthy. And of course some newbies aren't really newbies at all.

I make a point to help out what I term "newbies in distress" whenever I can. The way I figure it is that if they are doing the wrong thing and I help them out, then they might be inspired to do the right thing, while if they are being unfairly blamed for things, and I help them out then they will probably calm down and not retaliate and become good editors. I had a case with User:Fortunelounge and another with User:Peter Campbell recently which went along those lines.

I know that people generally view that WP:AGF only applies to long term users, and should be ignored with newbies, but I think that we should go the other way. Older editors really should know what they are doing and hence any "slip ups" are more likely to be deliberate, while newbies probably don't know what they are doing. Hence I think that we should go out of our way to help newbies.

I don't think that templates on users' talk pages is a good way to go at all. If you are going to accuse them of vandalism, explain why. Quote the link to where they vandalised things and explain to them why you think that it is vandalism. They are much less likely to get hostile that way. Templates often lead to confusion as well, which makes matters worse again - they might not even understand what vandalism really is. Warning someone should always be personal.

Welcome messages I guess can be a template, but ideally should be a bit personalised. I usually write to them something specific to their case, which is usually along the same lines as what I usually say. For example, someone who is accused of vandalism I will explain what vandalism is and why other editors are worried and what they can do to avoid such accusations in the future. Someone who is retaliating I will explain why it upsets people and suggest better ways to deal with things. And someone who is having trouble with AFDs I will explain how the AFD process works.

Now, that being said, not all newbies are worth it. Some of them really are no good. For example, User:Fortunelounge who I helped out, and managed to get creation of Fortune Lounge Group then turned around and started vandalising the article to put a PR spin on it where he pretended that they had never been accused of spamming anyone, and caused a lot of problems. I even wrote to an admin asking for them to be blocked for 24 hours for 3RR violations. Others just aren't appreciative and become abusive anyway. But I still think its worth it.

Sometimes I also see behaviour that is so suspicious that I will ask an admin for a 2nd opinion. There was one guy I noticed who was uploading a bunch of images of underage girls in provocative poses, which I thought could be considered to be child pornography. Someone else was making subtle changes to a lot of articles without referencing anything, and one really caught my eye as it was Seigenthaler like, saying, "He once wrote a song that was interpreted by some as being a diss at G-Unit. Nothing was ever proven". De ja vu eat your heart out. I reverted that edit, but didn't send him a message about it. I think such things need a second opinion.

As for the specific case though, I would ignore it. Maybe you can send him a welcome message anyway, and maybe just casually write something about vandalism as well - not as a warning but more as an explanation so that they understand the rules. Be positive about it. If they had the sense to revert their own vandalism, they are probably going to be a good user.

Anyway, I hope that that wasn't too long. By the way, I wrote a bit about it here User:Zordrac/newbies so I don't know if you want to look at that. Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy Darwikinian Eventualist 16:31, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Ignore button

Hi. Do you know of a way to ban someone from editing your talk page? A certain user keeps writing me threats on my talk page and I have tried to get rid of them as I don't want them there and they keep reverting my edits. I want to block them from being able to edit my talk page. Is this possible? If there is a way, can you tell me how? Alternatively, I'd like like them to be banned. Ideally however, just to be banned from my talk page. They are basically stalking me right now. Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy Darwikinian Eventualist 17:41, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Okay. Should I quote individual edits? Its actually a bit difficult for me because it just upsets me so much to read what he is writing. Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy Darwikinian Eventualist 19:30, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

I apologise

I quit Misplaced Pages because I was being stalked. I did not intend for them to also stalk me on your user page as well. I really feel embarassed about that, and if there was any way I could stop it, then I would. But until the stalker problem is dealt with, I can't safely use Misplaced Pages. I could detail all of his other behaviour, which is along this line, and its not just against me. But I'm sure you've seen it all. Why he isn't banned to begin with is beyond me. He has the mentality of deciding to prove he's not stalking by engaging in stalking. Proving he's not threatening by threatening. That's the kind of person you are dealing with there. All I want is to not have to deal with him anymore. I don't need him blocked. I just need him blocked from following me and harassing me. That's all. The fact that he followed me on to here should be enough proof for you, but if you doubt it, go and have a look at my talk page history, and then have another look at Talk: Daniel Brandt. It shouldn't be hard to figure out what's going on here. Not to mention his vandalism of the Daniel Brandt article to begin with. The guy targetted me due to his obsessive hatred of Daniel Brandt. That's about as simple as it gets. I tried to talk to him, but he just used every effort of kindness against me, and used it as fuel for his attacking me. There is really nothing more that I can do, and if nobody else is prepared to deal with him, then there is no point to me being here. That's why I haven't edited an article since December 24th, and I won't either while this abuse keeps up. He's even criticised me for trying to help out newbies and tried to get me banned for doing it, by lying about what I'm doing. I just want him gone. And if you won't do it, then fine, we're stuck with an abusive user. I for one am not going to put up with this nonsense. Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy Darwikinian Eventualist 16:20, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Hi! Help me out with a problem user?

The problem user in question is Zordrac (talk · contribs), and the problem is that he is telling lies about me on multiple pages in Misplaced Pages, including this user page. This is a small summary of the lies Zordrac has been telling about me -- that I requested him to badmouth me to Daniel Brandt, as he maliciously reports that he did here, that I broke the 3RR with fifteen reverts in a 24-hour period, and that I tried to "out" him in some way that has nothing to do with "outing" as anyone else understands that term. Now he's added the accusation that I am "threatening" him. What he does not mention is that the only thing I have "threatened" him with is a Request for Arbitration against him, and he does not dare mention this because then he would have to answer why he's complaining about this when he made that exact threat to me first? He does not dare file an actual RfAr because it will show up his lies for what they are. I have no fear of an RfAr for the same reason; whether it is an RfAr by him or for him it will show him up as a despicable liar, which is why he's running from user, trying to find new allies as the old ones find out that nothing he's told them is true. So, please advise me -- how do I go about starting the RfAr against this liar, to put an end to his malicious attacks on my good name? -- Antaeus Feldspar 23:35, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Please stop making things worse for yourself. Its just not conceivable that you could have "stumbled upon this page". This is the very definition of Wikistalking. Please stop it. I have already asked you to stop your harassment, so please stop it. That includes following me around on to other people's user pages. Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy Darwikinian Eventualist 00:15, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Are you actually, seriously trying to pretend that you have perfect freedom to go to any user's talk page and spin a tissue of malicious lies about me, but somehow it's "Wikistalking" for me to defend my own good name in all the places you're splashing mud on it? What revolting idiocy you do come up with. As long as you keep trying to slander me behind my back, Zordrac, I'll continue to keep the record clear and show you up for the liar you are. -- Antaeus Feldspar 00:38, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

I suggest both of you guys just chill out. -- RoySmith (talk) 00:26, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Sigh. If you guys want to continue this (even assuming you're not mutual sockpuppets), please take it somewhere else. If you continue this diatribe here, I'll be happy to block either or both of you for 24 hours. -- RoySmith (talk) 00:45, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Kalpana dispute

THANK YOU for finding that. I work for Cisco in the daytime :-) and even the engineers there weren't able to verify that for me. I had always thought it was 3Com, which goes to show how effective their marketing was in the early 90s. Embarrassed I couldn't find that on my own. Thanks again! 1001001 05:06, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

You're welcome. The part that's bugging me is that the AT&T reference says, Frame switching was the first Ethernet switching technology and was introduced by Kalpana and others in 1990. It's really got my curiosity going as to who the others were. -- RoySmith (talk) 05:26, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Dzoo-noo-qua

Your closing statement made me laugh. Thanks for the giggle. Joyous | Talk 01:31, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Just doing my job :-) -- RoySmith (talk) 02:46, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Battle of Pell's Point

I took semi protection off since this looks like it's a problem with just one vandal. Since it's pretty clear that this is a static IP, you could easily block him for a longer period if need be. I did see one other vandal edit but that might've been a drive by. If it gets worse, use SP. Otherwise, if it's just one user, it's easier to block. --Woohookitty 12:40, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Ok. It may be one vandal, be he seems to keep moving around from IP to IP. We'll see what happens. -- RoySmith (talk) 14:25, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

List of museums and cultural institutions in New York City

I'm a little puzzled as to why you deleted the clarification of this list. The things I put in there were to make the article clear as to what a cultural institution was. I think you have good judgment, so I won't put it back until we can reach a consensus on it, or at least rephrase it. Nonetheless, I think we need to specify what we mean to give proper context. Donbas 21:15, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

I just didn't see that anybody would think that the Empire State Building or Columbia University were museums or cultural institutions, so I didn't see the need to explain why they weren't there. I don't have any strong feelings about it, though, so go ahead and put them back if you disagree. I was mostly in the article to add the new template to the bottom. -- RoySmith (talk) 21:48, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Brokeback

Hi Roy-- I responded to your message on my Talk page. --gbambino 22:47, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Transportation in NYC

Hello RoySmith - I notice you're a member of WikiProject New York City. Have a look at the Transportation in New York City sub article. It tells a fascinating story and it's been nominated to be a US Collaboration of the Week after lots of work over the last few weeks. Check it out and if you like it, please vote for it. http://en.wikipedia.org/WP:USCOTW We need all the votes we can get! Wv235 04:13, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

I looked at their edits and found that they all involving banking articles or part of them and replacing all the text with large numbers of LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL etc. I had initially presumed that he had made a couple of serious attempts at vandalism. But looking back at what he had done I discovered that it was far more serious. It wasn't one or two subtle doctorings but the effective ruining of entire articles and talk pages. The user had already been warned to stop vandalising by others. I concluded that the vandalism was of such a scale as to warrant an immediate block — I had imposed a final warning based on seeing just a couple of examples of what turned out to be a far more widespread and far more destructive form of vandalism. That was within a minute or two of analysing their full edits. However my internet link crashed and I have only been able to get on periodically since, so I was not able immediately to correct the template and have not been able to fix all his vandalism. FearÉIREANN\ 18:29, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Speedy keep on anti-vaccionist article

There is simply no basis for prematurely closing the vote. I can see where it's going, but closing it early just puts a dark cloud over it. Let it run its course, and please try to stick to policy and guidelines. --Leifern 03:15, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

We can all see where it is going. We could mostly see where it was going when the AFD was made. A lot of effort and wordage had been wasted on process (and insults) rather than content or improvement, which suits one agenda (not the unsubtle Leifern's). Good decision. Midgley 04:05, 7 February 2006 (UTC)