Talk:Amish furniture: Difference between revisions

Browse history interactively ← Previous edit Next edit →Content deleted Content addedVisual WikitextInline

Revision as of 02:43, 16 November 2010 editMilowent (talk \| contribs)Autopatrolled, Extended confirmed users, IP block exemptions, New page reviewers, Pending changes reviewers, Rollbackers48,661 edits →Improvement: new section← Previous edit		Revision as of 03:00, 16 November 2010 edit undoAndy Dingley (talk \| contribs)Autopatrolled, Extended confirmed users, Pending changes reviewers, Rollbackers160,216 edits →Improvement Next edit →
Line 23:		Line 23:

	* Though kept at AfD, the article needs much improvement. When the article was protected from editing briefly during the deletion discussion, I added a ton of potential sources to use to the discussion, see ], they are ripe for the taking.--''']''' • <small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-3.2ex;*left:-5.5ex;">]</span></sup></small> 02:43, 16 November 2010 (UTC)		* Though kept at AfD, the article needs much improvement. When the article was protected from editing briefly during the deletion discussion, I added a ton of potential sources to use to the discussion, see ], they are ripe for the taking.--''']''' • <small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-3.2ex;*left:-5.5ex;">]</span></sup></small> 02:43, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

			: I can see a three-part structure to this:
			:* Amish furniture, what is it? I see it as a cynical bit of marketing more than a style, but that still needs description.
			:* Where does it come from? Describe the Pennsylvania Dutch predecessors, even though they bear almost no relation to current production (vernacular paintwork is too expensive to sell today).
			:* What does it look like? What styles are they selling, what do they call them and how much relation do these pastiche pieces bear to the actual styles?
			: As you might gather, I have a rock-bottom opinion of this stuff. I've been looking at it for a week, and it's still plug-ugly. Much Mission and Shaker repro work today has been of fine manufacturing quality for a couple of decades now and even their design has now progressed beyond slavish copying (Much of what I make myself is ] Craftsman inspired). This Amish stuff though - it's decorator junk for yuppies. ] (]) 03:00, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Revision as of 03:00, 16 November 2010

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

This article has not yet been rated on Misplaced Pages's content assessment scale.
It is of interest to the following WikiProjects:

Home Living

	Housing portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Home Living, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of home-related articles on Misplaced Pages. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Home LivingWikipedia:WikiProject Home LivingTemplate:WikiProject Home Livinghome
???	This article has not yet received a rating on the importance scale.

Please add the quality rating to the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template instead of this project banner. See WP:PIQA for details.

Christianity: Baptist

	Christianity portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Christianity, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Christianity on Misplaced Pages. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.ChristianityWikipedia:WikiProject ChristianityTemplate:WikiProject ChristianityChristianity
???	This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale.
	This article is supported by Baptist work group.

This article was nominated for deletion on 8 November 2010. The result of the discussion was keep.

Protected

Locked for 24 hours due to revert warring by Col Warden and Delicious Carbuncle. Col W reverts per talk but doesn't actually say anything about it on the talk page. CD then reverts calling it vandalism. Oh please! My 9 years old is capable of a more collegiate and adult approach to disagreement then this. Please work it out her and let me or another admin know if you are done so we can get back to work. If the revert warring resumes after the protection expires/lifted I may well block someone as forcing protection of an article while it is being discussed at AFD is, a priori the very definition of disruption. Spartaz 16:16, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

I left a clear and polite message on Colonel Warden's talk page warning him that I would be reverting future removals of overtly valid tags as vandalism. I'm not sure what other action you would have had me take, Spartaz. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 16:35, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

The talk in question was here. It seemed best to respond to Delicious Carbuncle there rather than starting a separate discussion. But now that we have one, let me state clearly my view that Delicious Carbuncle is engaging in tag abuse. Placing redundant cleanup tags upon an article which one is trying to delete indicates either a confusion of purpose or an attempt to game the issue by defacing the article. My original action was to replace assorted cleanup tags with the ARS template. The latter seems more appropriate during AFD and is a general invitation to improve the article which seems quite adequate in the circumstances. Colonel Warden (talk) 17:07, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
- I'm afraid I have to call you on your bullshit, Colonel. You removed the cleanup and unreferenced tags with a bogus edit summary of "cleanup" before I nominated the article for deletion. I suspect your only reason for looking at this article at all was due to my involvement pointing out your deceptive use of sources in Clear heels, since your edits came immediately after that. Your addition of the rescue tag came after the AfD was started. That tag is not a substitute for tags which note specific problems to be addressed. Rather it is a call to arms for the "Article Rescue Squad" to pile on knee-jerk keep votes at the AfD. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 17:34, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

For the avoidance of doubt, I fully agree with Spartaz. Ultimately, if you're unable to conduct yourselves in acceptable manner, we will be forced look at stronger measures, such as an interaction ban. In this context, I advise you not to continue this argument. PhilKnight (talk) 18:04, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Very well, I shall leave it to Delicious Carbuncle to improve this article. He may take full advantage of the many sources which I have cited during the AFD discussion, together with the search links which I provided above. Colonel Warden (talk) 18:16, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Please stop with the threats, Phil. It's bad enough that I have to deal with Colonel Warden trying to annoy me with nonsense such as that detailed above without admins trying to resolve a dispute that is just one editor behaving badly (which is to say, as they usually do in their effort to win the war against "deletionists"). A bit soon to jump to interaction bans, isn't it? Delicious carbuncle (talk) 18:31, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Please also see Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive648#Inappropriate cleanup tag removal, which ends with an agreement that Colonel Warden's removal of tags is disruptive (and oddly has no mention of me at all). Delicious carbuncle (talk) 14:31, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Improvement

Though kept at AfD, the article needs much improvement. When the article was protected from editing briefly during the deletion discussion, I added a ton of potential sources to use to the discussion, see Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Amish furniture, they are ripe for the taking.--Milowent • 02:43, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

I can see a three-part structure to this:

Amish furniture, what is it? I see it as a cynical bit of marketing more than a style, but that still needs description.
Where does it come from? Describe the Pennsylvania Dutch predecessors, even though they bear almost no relation to current production (vernacular paintwork is too expensive to sell today).
What does it look like? What styles are they selling, what do they call them and how much relation do these pastiche pieces bear to the actual styles?

As you might gather, I have a rock-bottom opinion of this stuff. I've been looking at it for a week, and it's still plug-ugly. Much Mission and Shaker repro work today has been of fine manufacturing quality for a couple of decades now and even their design has now progressed beyond slavish copying (Much of what I make myself is Harvey Ellis Craftsman inspired). This Amish stuff though - it's decorator junk for yuppies. Andy Dingley (talk) 03:00, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Categories: