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==Notability and sourcing== ==Notability and sourcing==


Articles on ] and ] are biographies and the notability guidelines for biographies apply. Independent coverage in a plurality of ] is required. Some long-lived people are notable principally for their advanced age, e.g., ]. Some are notable for other reasons, in which case all aspects of their lives should be included in their articles. Although not the primary focus of this project, cases where the advanced age is in doubt should be considered for notability using the same criteria as the cases when the advanced age has been verified by an independent body, e.g., ] is notable. ] over 110 should also be included in list articles (line-item notability), whether or not they have a separate biography due to notability. Articles on ] and ] are biographies and the notability guidelines for biographies apply. Significant independent coverage in ] is required. While some long-lived people are notable principally for their advanced age, e.g., ], longevity itself, without more is subject to ] A subject for whom the only reliable source is an obituary belongs on a list, rather than in a stand-alone ], unless the obituary provides other details that make the subject notable.


Some centenarians and supercentenarians are notable for reasons in addition to their longevity. In such cases, notable aspects of their lives that are reported in reliable sources should be included in their biographies. Although not the primary focus of this project, cases where the advanced age is in doubt should be considered for notability using the same criteria as the cases where the advanced age has been verified by an independent body, e.g., ] is notable. ] over 110 should also be included in list articles (line-item notability), whether or not they have a separate biography because of notability beyond their longevity.
⚫ When the person is still living, strict criteria apply. The ] should be consulted.


⚫ When a person is still living, strict criteria apply. The ] apply. These are exacting and should be editors' ] in making editorial judgments.
⚫ When a plurality of reliable secondary sources has demonstrated article-level notability (e.g., significant science or media sources in addition to '']''), the following ] primary or tertiary sources may be used to supplement the reliable sources to the degree permitted by local article consensus, but an article should not be based primarily on the questionable sources, and should not rely on such sources to make questionable assertions without attribution (e.g., assertions about parties' history of records broken, rank-order placement, or current status as alive or dead in the absence of reliable updates). These sources are generally acceptable for line-item notability in lists, but must be used with care and usually attribution, especially when they disagree:

⚫ When a sufficient reliable secondary sources demonstrate article-level notability (e.g., significant science or media sources in addition to '']''), the following ] primary or tertiary sources may be used to supplement the reliable sources to the degree permitted by local article consensus, but an article shall not be based solely on questionable sources, and should not rely on such sources to make assertions without attribution (e.g., assertions about parties' history of records broken, rank-order placement, or current status as alive or dead in the absence of reliable updates). These sources are generally acceptable for line-item notability in lists, but must be used with care and usually attribution, especially when they disagree:
*The journal '']'' should be attributed and contextualized, especially when quoting another source listed below. *The journal '']'' should be attributed and contextualized, especially when quoting another source listed below.
*] data from grg.org should be attributed and used only as backup to reliable sources. *] data from grg.org should be attributed and used only as backup to reliable sources.
⚫ *The Yahoo! group health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Worlds_Oldest_People, like other discussion groups, is deprecated in favor of using any reliable sources it quotes. If Yahoo! WOP data is quoted on article talk to satisfy ].
*Data from the dynamic page recordholders.org/en/list/oldest.html ("Oldest Human Beings") should be used similarly to GRG data.
⚫ *The Yahoo! group health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Worlds_Oldest_People, like other discussion groups, is deprecated in favor of using any reliable sources it quotes. However, if Yahoo! WOP data is quoted on article talk to satisfy ] and if a reliable source on the same point is unavailable, limited use that conforms with other Misplaced Pages policies is permissible.


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Importance guide

Need The article's priority or importance, regardless of its quality.
Top Subject is a must-have for a print encyclopedia. For biographies, all-time record-holders for oldest woman and man, e.g., Supercentenarian, Jeanne Calment, Christian Mortensen.
High Subject contributes a depth of knowledge. For biographies, aged 115+ for women, 113+ for men. Also, national recordholders, e.g., Maria de Jesus, and Oldest Person in the World, e.g. Emma Tillman.
Mid Subject fills in more minor details. For biographies, aged 112–114 for women, 110–112 for men, e.g., Harry Patch.
Low Subject is mainly of specialist interest. For biographies, aged 110–111, e.g., Alexina Calvert.

Assessment

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Newsletter

The project has in the past run a newsletter, currently dormant, but which could be revived if there is sufficient interest.

Articles we cover

See Category:WikiProject World's Oldest People articles.

Notability and sourcing

Articles on centenarians and supercentenarians are biographies and the notability guidelines for biographies apply. Significant independent coverage in reliable sources is required. While some long-lived people are notable principally for their advanced age, e.g., Jeanne Calment, longevity itself, without more is subject to WP:ONETIME A subject for whom the only reliable source is an obituary belongs on a list, rather than in a stand-alone WP:BIO, unless the obituary provides other details that make the subject notable.

Some centenarians and supercentenarians are notable for reasons in addition to their longevity. In such cases, notable aspects of their lives that are reported in reliable sources should be included in their biographies. Although not the primary focus of this project, cases where the advanced age is in doubt should be considered for notability using the same criteria as the cases where the advanced age has been verified by an independent body, e.g., Old Tom Parr is notable. Supercentenarians over 110 should also be included in list articles (line-item notability), whether or not they have a separate biography because of notability beyond their longevity.

When a person is still living, strict criteria apply. The guidelines on biographies of living people apply. These are exacting and should be editors' guidestar in making editorial judgments.

When a sufficient reliable secondary sources demonstrate article-level notability (e.g., significant science or media sources in addition to Guinness World Records), the following questionable primary or tertiary sources may be used to supplement the reliable sources to the degree permitted by local article consensus, but an article shall not be based solely on questionable sources, and should not rely on such sources to make assertions without attribution (e.g., assertions about parties' history of records broken, rank-order placement, or current status as alive or dead in the absence of reliable updates). These sources are generally acceptable for line-item notability in lists, but must be used with care and usually attribution, especially when they disagree:

  • The journal Rejuvenation Research should be attributed and contextualized, especially when quoting another source listed below.
  • Gerontology Research Group data from grg.org should be attributed and used only as backup to reliable sources.
  • The Yahoo! group health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Worlds_Oldest_People, like other discussion groups, is deprecated in favor of using any reliable sources it quotes. If Yahoo! WOP data is quoted on article talk to satisfy verifiability.
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