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o and please reply to me on my talk page.--] 05:53, 20 February 2006 (UTC) o and please reply to me on my talk page.--] 05:53, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
well i still can't see nothin wrong with my comment. i simply told him that his picture is insulting the people in Taiwan and the president. is theresomethin wrong with it???--] 06:25, 20 February 2006 (UTC) well i still can't see nothin wrong with my comment. i simply told him that his picture is insulting the people in Taiwan and the president. is theresomethin wrong with it???--] 06:25, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
:I've already explained: he already informed you he didn't agree with the man's message. And don't presume to speak for the people in Taiwan. --] (]) 06:28, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

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User:Philwelch

Deckiller has my permission to add pirate jokes. It's cool that you're looking out for vandalism but don't revert anything that isn't obviously vandalistic--good-faith contributions to my userpage I'm willing to accept :) — Phil Welch 00:22, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

OK... --Nlu (talk) 00:23, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, we have a pirate joke contract going. Perhaps we should send them to AfD? :) Deckiller 00:35, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks!

Hey, thanks alot for banning that obnoxious troll, he was really getting on my nerves, it's hard to believe somone so ignorant and intolerent would take an interest in editing Misplaced Pages. -- WaynaQhapaq 06:23, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure which one you're referring to -- as I try to block as many as I see :-) -- but thanks. --Nlu (talk) 06:13, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, my cable connection got cutoff in mid-edit, Just to clarify, the one from talk: Police State (he was really bigoted). It's sad that people still have such attitudes... -- WaynaQhapaq 06:23, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Metousiosis

If someone has tried to pass off two forged quotations as genuine, who is contradicted by everyone else on the Talk page (Csernica/TCC and A.S. Damick), who thinks that any editing, even if sourced, that does not fit his ideas is vandalism ... surely that is the person to block. Lima 11:30, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Nlu, I'm sorry but you are mistaken here. User:Nrgdocadams has been extraordinarily hostile, beginning the discussion almost immediately with personal attacks against User:Lima, failing to assume good faith and insisting on characterizing a disagreement over content as "vandalism" right from the start, without even any prior discussion. (It's difficult to provide concise diffs, since as you can see Nrgdocadams is in the habit of re-editing his Talk page posts.) He even took Lima's placing of the article on his watchlist as a "threat". Lima has been amazingly tolerant, extremely civil under the circumstances, and unlike Nrgdocadams has provided references for everything he has written. Nor, unlike Nrgdocadams, has he forged any citations. I don't actually know that he himself forged them, but the above diff represents the second time I ask for his exact sources and explain why -- the first time is here -- and both time he has refused to give an answer.

I ask that you re-evaluate your view of the situation. TCC (talk) (contribs) 11:50, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

The reason why I warned Lima was that he indicated that he added two extraneous paragraphs in order to make a point with Nrgdocadams -- which is a violation of WP:POINT. It should be noted that I did not block Lima nor accuse him of vandalism. However, I will review the situation. --Nlu (talk) 13:55, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
I respectfully disagree. The added paragraphs were relevant and informative. they were "really unnecessary" because they were required to bring balance to an article where, had it been written accurately, it would not have been needed. TCC (talk) (contribs) 19:52, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

If I may add my two cents, I concur with the two gentlemen's statements above. My experience with User:Nrgdocadams on a number of articles has never been peaceful nor remotely agreeable, and he frequently makes unsourced edits, or if they are sourced, the sources are quite questionable. This article is a good example of claims that seem to fly in the face of everything I have read or studied about the subjects in question (areas which are central my vocation). In any event, while I am of course no authority, the authorities that I do know of very often disagree with the idiosyncratic POV which User:Nrgdocadams presents. I regard his activities on Misplaced Pages mainly to be those of a "rogue editor," so to speak.

Thanks for your assistance in this matter. I know I, at least, appreciate it. —A.S. Damick 14:48, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

sorry

i'm sorry for vandalizing, and even though you haven't taken my privlages away, i know now never to do it again. I was just experimenting, and i know now to use the sandbox. sorry again! Braniac22 21:26, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

All right, no problem. Just be productive with your edits. :-) --Nlu (talk) 21:28, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

I so have no idea what I am doing here!

But, we chatted last night about my adding of a link to the Enlightenment page. I wanted to add a link to my blog, which contains my free poetry. I was wonderfing if it would be excaptable to add a Poetry Blogs page and link to a number of blogging poets? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.229.172.253 (talk • contribs)

Linking to blogs is generally not acceptable. --Nlu (talk) 04:12, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

User:Henry the Eighth

Do whatever you think is right, I haven't really interacted with him, I just needed to get rid of the {{helpme}} on the talk page.--Commander Keane 04:30, 12 February 2006 (UTC)


Metousiosis

You tagged the article and made it uneditable in the from it was edited into by the persona who was VANDALIZING it. You fool. This is why Misplaced Pages has no legitmacy with mainstream researchers and encyclopedists, and why it has received so much (fully due) criticism from the media -- even recently over the Dianne Feinstein and Richard Blum articles affair. This is why Misplaced Pages will always remain third-rate. I'm resigning my memerbship, and I hope the foundation goes broke. Nrgdocadams 07:28, 12 February 2006 (UTC)Nrgdocadams

I'm sorry you feel that way. I am also sorry that you are apparently unable to discuss matters with people with different views. --Nlu (talk) 07:35, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

thanks for contactin me

well is it absolutely ok if i post the picture that made fun of muhammad? it will cause outrage. so it's the same for disrespectin taiwanese and their president. to add to that, if jiang is NOT biased why did he change my article on taiwanese american? he is clearly incompetent to be a admin but anyway thanks for contactin even though i don't know you. i appreciate it — Preceding unsigned comment added by Freestyle.king (talk • contribs)

I'll take a look at Taiwanese American in a few minutes. Meanwhile, however, as much as I would find the picture distasteful, I wouldn't remove the picture of Muhammad from your talk page or user page if you put it there -- it would not be violative of any Misplaced Pages policy I know of, and users have leeway in editing their pages. On the other hand, I have removed that image from articles -- as they were placed in such a manner to obviously create affront, without adding anything to the usefulness of the articles. --Nlu (talk) 08:05, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
I've taken a look at your edits. They are clearly not NPOV (or, for that matter, factually true -- as you were considering all Taiwanese Americans together without considering individual opinions). For one thing, I am a Taiwanese American who consider myself ethnically Chinese and therefore Chinese American. Jiang was perfectly correct in reverting your edits. --Nlu (talk) 08:07, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

that's exactly my point, why does jiang bother to edit if it's not NPOV? and by the way, i didn't say every taiwanese american don't consider themselves chinese. the key word in that sentence is "generally, most people don't..." just to get this clear. and just for your info, i also happen to be a taiwanese american and i don't consider myself a chinese person — Preceding unsigned comment added by Freestyle.king (talk • contribs)

Whether you consider yourself Chinese is your business; however, please don't presume to speak for an entire group without supporting evidence. "Generally" is still too strong of a word; "some" is what I'd consider NPOV. Also, please remember to sign your comments on talk pages with ~~~~. --Nlu (talk) 08:19, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
Oh, in case you're not understanding the abbreviation -- it stands for "neutral point of view," and since your view is not neutral, it should be removed. Again, please read up on WP:NPOV. --Nlu (talk) 08:20, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

lol ok calm down...i know it's my business and if you consider yourself chinese it's your business too. what i mean is, you're the one who's sayin you consider yourself chinese american because you're taiwanese so don't blame it on me when i talk about my opinion we're all allow to express our own opinions, aren't we? if you think "some" is acceptable you should edit it instead of revertin to jiang's which is also not neutral by sayin most taiwanese americans think they're chinese freestyle king

But it doesn't say that. It said that most don't care -- which is probably an accurate statement. Regardless, note that he wasn't the one who wrote it; take a look at . He was reverting to the state before your edits -- which something all administrators do on a frequent basis when they see questionable edits. Right now, it already said that some do mind one way or the other, so the qualification is already in there. --Nlu (talk) 08:30, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

RfM notifications

Actually I tried to use the template {{RFM-Filed|Case name}} as per Misplaced Pages:Requests for mediation/Guide but it doesn't work! Yes, if you can inform Appleby and the others, it would be great.

I believe Masterhatch (and perhaps Kusunose) may be interested also, as they appear regularly in the Talk:Sea of Japan and Talk:Sea of Japan naming dispute discussions. Should we ask them first, though?--Endroit 08:05, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Well, they can be notified. Then, if they want to be involved, they can add themselves. --Nlu (talk) 08:05, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
OK then please notify them too. Thanks.--Endroit 08:07, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
I notified Appleby, Deiaemeth, and Masterhatch, but not Kusonose, as I took a look and feel he/she wasn't really involved in this issue. --Nlu (talk) 08:12, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
OK, that seems fair. Thanks. I think the Misplaced Pages:Requests for mediation/Guide procedure is brand new, and I left a note with User Talk:Essjay about the problem I had with the template.--Endroit 08:16, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. --Nlu (talk) 08:17, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Sure, I would be interested in helping out, but I don't have a lot of time to spare. Also, since i have never been involved in mediation before here in Wiki, i am not too sure what I am suposed to do. Masterhatch 08:47, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Well, the mediation committee would take care of it. It's just a question of whether you want to get your two cents in during the mediation... Just think about it for the moment. :-) --Nlu (talk) 08:50, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for reverting vandalism!

Thanks for reverting the vandalism by 82.234.48.203 on my talk page! Copysan 09:43, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

No problem. Thank you for your diligence. --Nlu (talk) 09:44, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Please try to keep your reverts NPOV

Please, at least try to keep your reverts NPOV. Thank you. -- VinnyCee 18:08, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

The issue is that although I'm sure you started off meaning well, you seem to have allowed yourself to have become annoyed and made some edits that qualified as vandalism. So it's legitimate to warn you. So Vinny Cee has done nothing wrong and your warning to him about the warning he gave you was not legitimate, that is, it was vandalism. Clear? If not, feel free to ask me either here or at my talk page. and by the way do NOT delete warnings from your talk page or it is likely that you'll be blocked — Preceding unsigned comment added by Freestyle.king (talk • contribs)

Whatever. Removing POV edits does not qualify as vandalism under any definition of the word as Misplaced Pages policies interpret them. --Nlu (talk) 06:58, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Mcfly85

Hi Nlu, it doesn't look we will have to put up a RfAr after all. Fred Bauder has blocked his IP range after running a CheckUser. Some, not all, of the Socks I suspected were Mcfly's. Although the results didn't show it, I'm almost 100% sure that all of them were Mcfly. Anyways, I guess we won't be seeing him around anymore! File:HIM logo.jpg SWD316 00:09, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Well, let me see what Fred did, but I am actually a little troubled, because I don't think we should block a range like that... But I'll see. Thanks for updating me. --Nlu (talk) 01:19, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Request for Mediation

Misplaced Pages:Requests for mediation/East Sea (disambiguation) has been accepted by the Mediation Committee; mediation will begin on that page as soon as a mediator is assigned. Mediators are generally given several days to review and volunteer on cases which they feel particularly suited to mediate; if no mediator volunteers to take the case, one will be assigned. Please pay careful attention to the mediation subpage, as further communication from the Committee will occur there. (Adding that page to your watchlist would be very helpful.)

For the Mediation Committee, Essjay 17:21, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Cuba Vandal

You did not block(205.240.227.15 | talk | contributions) due to the RFC I am making. He is adding damaging nonsense and pov commentary to articles, and has had a long history of vandalism. Would you be able to block for a 3RR violation? I have removed 4/6 of the reversions, so you may block me too if need be, (I am not sure if that policy applies to removing extensive vandalism....) Thank you, --Colle|File:Locatecolle.gif|Talk-- 00:22, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Ack, he started reverting again. Please help.--Colle|File:Locatecolle.gif|Talk-- 00:25, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
Blocked for 3RR violations. --Nlu (talk) 00:36, 14 February 2006 (UTC)


Niu: Colle is using a single source, a Canadian Communist Party Member, Arnold August for his proclamation that Cuba is a democracy. Anything Colle believes contradicts his hero's words he labels Vandalism. One who is watching — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.169.136.161 (talk • contribs)


Australian Ufology

Thank you Nlu... this person(s) seems to be a full time pest! Any ideas on what I can do?? Vufors 14:51, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Unfortunatelly, not much. Just watch out for the person and if the acts continue, let the administrators know. --Nlu (talk) 21:03, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Police state yet again

Could you help me with VinnyCee who seems bend on making my life miserable. Is once again vandalizing my talk page. Would appreciate your intervention. Thanks Holland Nomen Nescio 18:09, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Looks like User:FeloniousMonk helped you. I'd say that he's beginning to get in hot waters. --Nlu (talk) 21:04, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Suzy Sachs Page

I have edited out "Creator" from her page and you added it again. Nowhere is there any documentation backing up the "Creator" claim. All links provided never mention Sachs as Creator. I will stop edits to this page when this false "Creator" claim is removed. Thank you for your help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.82.90.35 (talk • contribs)

You are violating 3RR. It's not obviously vandalism, and I think you should stop this until the AfD is decided, anyway. --Nlu (talk) 21:03, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

AfD

Based on what I've seen from you on AfD, I think that you might have something to add to the discussion at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Cart00ney. I'd appreciate you weighing in on the matter in either direction. Savidan 19:44, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for alerting me. --Nlu (talk) 21:02, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Can You Look at this AfD?

Hello Nlu

After you reverted our pest vandal 202.94.65.232 - old AfD tag Soon after another ANON same ISP 202.94.65.232 again taged the page and that was reverted by Admin .

BUT? For some reason a new 3rd tag has got through for some reason?

But I can not see his ISP address, just an admin "Astrokey44" who said he fixed the Anon AfD tag? I see no history?


Note the words of the first Delete that read: (There are many omissions, so much so that it is difficult to argue that it is an accurate history, rather a skewed history that seems to spend a lot of space offering a history that approximates what many Australian UFO researchers know but with some aspects few of us are familar with. The owner of the Misplaced Pages "Australian Ufology" entry is censoring efforts to correct and edit this skewed and incomplete history so it would be appropriate to highlight the questionable nature of the document and its owner attempt to white out a lot of history and contributions, seemingly in an effort to create a biased and some what flawed history of Australian Ufology.)

This sound very much like one of the past vandal text! However, even looking at the rules its not ground for an AfD?

I am happy to leave the AfD go to Peers to vote, but I wonder if you could look at our page and look at the 2nd AfD? SEE:

Thank You Vufors 02:12, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Well, looks like the admin believed that AfD was legitimate, and I can't say 100% that it wasn't. I guess we can let the community decide whether the article stays or not. --Nlu (talk) 04:28, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Alkyl nitrites ( . . . )

thank you. I was just refreshing myself on dispute resolution procedures because i really didn't know what to do about this guy . . . It was getting out of control. --Heah 04:36, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

To be honest, I don't understand them all that well myself, but what this guy was doing can't be possibly acceptable. --Nlu (talk) 04:38, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
I don't either, and i'm not really sure why it was even on my watchlist in the first place. But like you say, what this guy's doing can't possibly be acceptable . . . I mean, if he wanted to cite some research, that would be one thing, but . . . --Heah 20:16, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Oops

Sorry, not trying to cause problems...learned quite a bit lately. I only wanted to add alfrankenweb to a couple of spots but I can see I overstepped my bounds a little. So, I've placed the link in only Al Franken related areas.

HiMom

I still don't find it appropriate -- as WP:SPAM indicates, Misplaced Pages is not supposed to be full of external links, whether commercial or not. Still, I'll see whether others agree with me about this particular issue. --Nlu (talk) 04:53, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Ok, well the alfrankenforum was linked to the "Al Franken" article for quite sometime. I also linked the forum to "The Al Franken Show" article as well considering I was linking to a fan page of Al Franken I thought it was quite relevent, Did you consider removing the Randi Rhodes external links while you were editing me? If someone is looking up a subject do you not think it helpful to them to find outside resources where they can have an indepth discussion? Just asking as I see external links for almost any subject, why are you singling me out?

HiMom

I'm not singling you out; I don't have the time to track down every spammy (and I don't mean this pejoratively; again, see WP:SPAM) link; I can only revert them as I see them. --Nlu (talk) 05:40, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

I understand you are doing your job, but when you edit an article it's clear to see that the link I posted is right up there with everyone else. I read the WP:SPAM link; and I don't think this qualifies as spam if the external link is on target. Here is the text:

"There are two types of wikispam: advertisements masquerading as articles, and wide-scale external link spamming. Articles considered advertisements include those that are solicitations for a business, product or service, or are public relations pieces designed to promote a company or individual. Wikispam articles are usually noted for sales-oriented language and external links to a commercial website. A differentiation should be made between spam articles and legitimate articles about commercial entities, however."

I'm not creating articles, or trying to sell something. I am posting the largest forum on the net for a topic "Al Franken". I see there is also a smaller Al Franken forum that has been posted and left untouched. I really don't mean to be a pain, but I do feel like I am being singled out....probably for the right reasons because I did over post the link and I apologize for that however I'm just asking that the link remain for only the few articles that are directly related to the subject. Nothing more.

Emperor Hui of Han

I hadn't read the discussion on the talkpage before I added that category. I only added the category to Hui after I had found several sources elsewhere online and his mention on a list of Pederastic lovers on Misplaced Pages. If this fact is untrue (of which I am still not convinced), you may want to remove it from that list so that it doesn't contradict Emperor Hui's article. My apologies. --Caponer 02:21, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Well, I am rather hesitant to be involved in another fight with User:Haiduc over this, but at least I think that these allegations don't belong on the emperors' own biographies without more solid proof (and there won't be any -- this is about as much as we know historically). As for the lists -- since I think that lists are of dubious encyclopedic value anyway, again, I don't want to fight him on this in particular.
No apologies necessary -- thanks for getting back to me. --Nlu (talk) 02:37, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Wang Fuzhi

The only source I have that mentions this uses "Quanshan"; are you sure that "Chuanshan" is the pinyin transliteration? --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 10:40, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Assuming that the characters (船山) are correct (and I believe it is), "Chuanshan" is the correct pinyin. Thanks for following up. --Nlu (talk) 17:03, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 22:11, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for keeping an eye on my user page. Yankees76 18:50, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

You're welcome! --Nlu (talk) 19:38, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
No problem. My pleasure. --Nlu (talk) 23:15, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

POV Edits

Hello, Nlu. I've been watching POV edits of certain users, and noticed a new user DueDiehcal (talk · contribs) performing similar POV edits. Is there any way you can check if DueDiehacal is a sockpuppet of Deiaemeth (talk · contribs) (or another user)? If DueDiehcal is Deiaemeth, then he (they) just broke 3RR in Korean-Japanese disputes. If not, DueDiehcal defaced the user page of Kamosuke (talk · contribs) in his first edit. I think this is getting out of hand....--Endroit 22:36, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

I found it doubtful that Deiaemeth would use a sock puppet; his edits don't exhibit that pattern. If you want to ask for a check on WP:RCU, however, I don't mind that. --Nlu (talk) 23:08, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
After review, I find it far more likely that User:209.232.148.108 is a sock puppet of DueDiehcal. I've warned DueDiehcal as to 3RR and sock puppetry, as well as put a {{sockpuppet}} tag on 209.232.148.108's user page. --Nlu (talk) 23:15, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Murong Chui

hi, just asking is this the character you were looking for? "缺" "quē" meaning to be short of, lacking, or a gap/deficit. Abstrakt 00:11, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

No. The character that Murong Chui had is far rarer, although it does have the same derivation as 缺 -- it shares the same right radical, but the left side is 垂 (which was part of the reason why Murong Jun later chnaged Que to Chui). --Nlu (talk) 02:04, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

from Talk: Main Page

AOL blocks of almost 2 hours?
applied to anyone who complains about their ip range being blindly blocked for 75 minutes?--205.188.116.138 19:30, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
Well, the nature of the ip system means that the same user can use different ips and so it becomes hard to pinpoint the offenders and block them Yellowmellow45 19:36, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Hello, Nlu. The above came from Talk:Main Page. (I'll remove it from that talk page.) I thought you may want to handle this yourself. Take care. -- PFHLai 20:22, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Basically, I don't believe it warranted a further response. --Nlu (talk) 20:44, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
OF course not, when a user politly reminds you that you've blocked over a 3rd of AOL users for no reason, the only possible response is to range block AOL for an absurd period of time--64.12.116.71 21:11, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
It was a 24-bit address block -- nowhere close to a third of AOL addresses. Of course, facts don't matter with vandals anyway. --Nlu (talk) 21:15, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
AOL only operates 3 IP ranges, 64.x.x.x, 152.x.x.x, and 205.x.x.x, blocking one of those ranges leaves 1/3rd of AOL users blocked, your logic only works if you honetly think has AOL control over all ranges from 1.0.0.0 through to 255.255.255.255, also would you also please stop making generic personal attacks against random AOL users--64.12.116.71 21:18, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
Note:I am AOL, and I am 172.x.x.x. Ian13/talk 21:21, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Specifically, these are AOL address ranges:

AOL IP Ranges

  • 64.12.0.0/16 64.12.0.0 – 64.12.255.255 1)
  • 149.174.0.0/16 149.174.0.0 – 149.174.255.255
  • 152.163.0.0/16 152.163.0.0 – 152.163.255.255 2)
  • 172.128.0.0/10 172.128.0.0 - 172.216.255.255<--Non-portable-DSL-AOL-range
  • 172.192.0.0/12<--Non-portable-DSL-AOL-range
  • 172.208.0.0/13<--Non-portable-DSL-AOL-range
  • 172.216.0.0/16<--Non-portable-DSL-AOL-range
  • 195.93.0.0/17 195.93.0.0 – 195.93.127.255<--Non-US-AOL IP range
  • 198.81.0.0/19 198.81.0.0 – 198.81.31.255<--Non-US-AOL IP range
  • 202.67.64.0/18 202.67.64.0 – 202.67.127.255<--Non-US-AOL IP range
  • 205.188.0.0/16 205.188.0.0 – 205.188.255.255 3)
  • 207.200.64.0/18 207.200.64.0 – 207.200.127.255<--Non-US-AOL IP range

I didn't block 64.x.x.x; I blocked 64.12.116.x -- a very small subset of the range -- and as indicated above, it's false that AOL only operates 3 IP ranges. I blocked, at most, less than .01% of all AOL addresses, clearly all coming from the same dialup pool. Don't twist facts. But I guess that's what vandals do. --Nlu (talk) 21:20, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Even assuming arguendo all you are saying is true, it's still not 1/3 -- since I blocked 64.12.116.x -- 1/256 of 64.12.x.x. But I guess you can't do math. One more false accusation out of you and you're going back into the block. --Nlu (talk) 21:27, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

This is ridiculous, if you want to range block a third of AOL, I can't stop you, the other administrators who are use AOL tend to get annoyed, but I can't do anything about it--64.12.116.71 21:34, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
It's still not a third (as I've pointed out multiple times) even if all you are saying is, arguendo, true; it's 1/768. Since you have not held off on an assertion that has been demonstrated to be false, you've been blocked for another 75 minutes. Enjoy your break. --Nlu (talk) 21:37, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
Ignoring the fact that you're blocking someone for disagreeing with you on a talk page, there's also another problem, it is a third, the only argument you've made is that it's not really a third, because if AOL users really wanted to avoid a block they could travel to canada, and use AOL-canada's IP ranges, it's an insane argument--64.12.116.71 21:45, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
What part of "64.12.116.x is 1/256 of 64.112.x.x" do you not understand? Of course, I don't believe you don't really not understand it; you're choosing to misrepresent the facts. --Nlu (talk) 21:47, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
For the record, I'm still right, and that's still a terrible reason to level a range block--205.188.117.8 22:11, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

AOL

AOL is a unique provider; not only do their IPs shift for every page load, but even if a person remains static on a page (say, loads a page and spends twenty minutes working through it before loading it again) their IP will change after 15 minutes. That is why AOL blocks are limited to 15 minutes; it's almost impossible to hit the person you are trying to get: By the time you click block, they are already on another IP, and even if you manage to hit them before they switch, they will switch within 15 minutes, guaranteed. I unblocked because another user was hit with the block; that's evidence the IP you blocked is no longer being used by the person you are trying to block. Essjay 21:49, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

The person is keep coming back with the same IP (see above). --Nlu (talk) 21:50, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
And -- since the block went back in, the person has been quiet. --Nlu (talk) 21:52, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Based on what I've observed the last two months, I must say I don't believe any more that AOL IPs change every time you reload the browser, since so many vandals have vandalized many pages from the same IP, at least in the same session. I find it far more likely that an IP is assigned to a dialin user, and then unassigned when that user hangs up. This would explain why vandals come back as different IPs the next time (say, a couple hours later or a couple days later), but vandalize from the same account during the same session; they hadn't hung up. The behavior of the user above corroborates, I think. --Nlu (talk) 21:57, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

That's fine, but it's patent nonsense, and you're blocking an entire range because you don't "believe" in sharedips--205.188.117.8 22:01, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
Aol ips change with every page they load because they're not assigned per-user, they're assigned per-page--205.188.117.8 22:02, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
I believe in shared IPs alright; that's why I add {{sharedip}} with abandon.
However, in this case, it was clear that this person is continuing to post from the IP way past the 15 minute behavior described above. --Nlu (talk) 22:04, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
Again, that's because the "15 minute window" thing is essentially made up to avoid long, drawn out incidents like this one, when dealing with CS challenged individuals, AOL blocks are pointless, and they do change with each page they load, the "15 minute window" just isn't the reason they do--205.188.117.8 22:09, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
And? Note how you yourself are coming back with the same IP, even though you've obviously reloaded the page a number of times. Again, I believe that the IP is now shared based on your dialin session, and by blocking for 75 minutes rather than 15, I am hoping to at least force the vandal to hand up and dial back in, which takes time and slows down the vandalism significantly. --Nlu (talk) 22:11, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
And, as a corollary, try hang up and dialing back in. Until you do, I don't think you'll get a different IP. --Nlu (talk) 22:14, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
How can I hang up, I'm using a wifi connection, again, that doesn't make any sense, this isn't a dialup range, and yes of course I have a different ip on other pages, watch Talk:hat, I'll add the word hello, then rvert the changes, then come back here--205.188.117.8 22:17, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
, and yet, on this page I still have the same IP, convinced?--205.188.117.8 22:19, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
What is the nature of your Wifi connection? It still has to be connecting to a wireless router that connects to AOL in a given way -- dialup or DSL or a higher speed connection. You can't directly wirelessly connect to AOL, since AOL doesn't operate WiFi entry points. --Nlu (talk) 22:20, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
Broadband/DSL, and if you think I'm actually walking upstairs and logging off of an "always on" connection just to make some kind of point, then you've under estimated my laziness--205.188.117.8 22:22, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
Now, as I was saying prior to an edit confict, the ip I was given while editing the "talk:hat" page, was 205.188.117.13, and had edited the page List of characters from King of Fighters a few days ago, I will now edit that page myself, and I will be given the same IP, will then come back here, and be given my origional ip back again--205.188.117.8 22:24, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
as promised, now do you understand why AOL range blocks affect an odd number of users?--205.188.117.8 22:27, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
And back to the origional point, if you had the choice of either explaining/demonstrating all of that to every single wikipedia administrator, or, making up some thing about "15 minute ip windows" that was easy to swallow, yet technically incorrect, which would you choose?--205.188.117.8 22:32, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Well, I think you've actually demonstrated that a block may be effective -- in that the vandal might not be able to come back to the page he/she vandalized -- but obviously, collateral damage is the issue and that is known already. In the case of the vandal I was chasing this morning, however, he/she was roving through a variety of IPs in that subnet. --Nlu (talk) 22:49, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

That is an interesting point, you could probably stop someone from editing a given page, as long as you keep in mind that you're not blocking the vandal per say, rather you're blocking AOL users, a large number of them, from editing that page, for the length of the block, as well as any other pages that AOL has assinged that specific ip to,
but in theory, yes, you could stop all AOL access to a given page by looking in it's history, and finding the 3 specific IP addresses AOL has assigned to that page, would completly eliminate the need for range blocks, since whenever they come back to that page, they'll be hit with a block--205.188.117.8 22:55, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
  • which is why AOL auotblocks are such a PITA, all a blocked RU has to do is edit a half a dozen pages with AOL, and they've blocked all AOL users from editing the same page for the next 24 hours--205.188.117.8 22:57, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
  • and another problem, this leaves most AOL users wide open for impersonation, for instance this mess, has to have been created by more than one person, unless this page was edited by someone with a compulsion for self-reverts--205.188.117.8 23:01, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
  • And a final point, using the button will not only allow you to have a different ip on the same page, it will actually assign you, in some cases, a different ip for each section of each article, that is retained every time you edit that one section--205.188.117.8 23:03, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

would you mind

If I copied the content from the last two topics, to a subpage /AOL, and linked to there from template talk:AOL? might actually be a better explanation than the template itself--205.188.117.8 23:11, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

...and per that page, a list of all wikipedia users currently flagged with template:AOL, 

64.12.112.186       spider-mtc-tb121.proxy.aol.com.          Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: (Unknown city)          
64.12.116.5         cache-mtc-aa01.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Elizabethtown, PA       
64.12.116.6         cache-mtc-aa02.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Elizabethtown, PA       
64.12.116.7         cache-mtc-aa03.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Elizabethtown, PA       
64.12.116.8         cache-mtc-aa04.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Elizabethtown, PA       
64.12.116.9         cache-mtc-aa05.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Elizabethtown, PA       
64.12.116.10        cache-mtc-aa06.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Elizabethtown, PA       
64.12.116.11        cache-mtc-aa07.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Elizabethtown, PA       
64.12.116.13        cache-mtc-aa09.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Elizabethtown, PA       
64.12.116.14        cache-mtc-aa10.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Elizabethtown, PA       
64.12.116.65        cache-mtc-ab01.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Elizabethtown, PA       
64.12.116.67        cache-mtc-ab03.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Elizabethtown, PA       
64.12.116.68        cache-mtc-ab04.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Elizabethtown, PA       
64.12.116.69        cache-mtc-ab05.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Elizabethtown, PA       
64.12.116.72        cache-mtc-ab08.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Elizabethtown, PA       
64.12.116.74        cache-mtc-ab10.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Elizabethtown, PA       
64.12.116.130       cache-mtc-ac01.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Elizabethtown, PA       
64.12.116.131       cache-mtc-ac02.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Elizabethtown, PA       
64.12.116.132       cache-mtc-ac03.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Elizabethtown, PA       
64.12.116.133       cache-mtc-ac04.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Elizabethtown, PA       
64.12.116.135       cache-mtc-ac06.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Elizabethtown, PA       
64.12.116.136       cache-mtc-ac07.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Elizabethtown, PA       
64.12.116.138       cache-mtc-ac09.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Elizabethtown, PA       
64.12.116.139       cache-mtc-ac10.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Elizabethtown, PA       
64.12.116.195       cache-mtc-ad01.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Elizabethtown, PA       
64.12.116.196       cache-mtc-ad02.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Elizabethtown, PA       
64.12.116.197       cache-mtc-ad03.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Elizabethtown, PA       
64.12.116.198       cache-mtc-ad04.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Elizabethtown, PA       
64.12.116.199       cache-mtc-ad05.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Elizabethtown, PA       
64.12.116.201       cache-mtc-ad07.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Elizabethtown, PA       
64.12.116.203       cache-mtc-ad09.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Elizabethtown, PA       
64.12.116.204       cache-mtc-ad10.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Elizabethtown, PA       
64.12.117.5         cache-mtc-ae01.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Milwaukee, WI           
64.12.117.6         cache-mtc-ae02.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Milwaukee, WI           
64.12.117.7         cache-mtc-ae03.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Milwaukee, WI           
64.12.117.8         cache-mtc-ae04.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Milwaukee, WI           
64.12.117.9         cache-mtc-ae05.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Milwaukee, WI           
64.12.117.11        cache-mtc-ae07.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Milwaukee, WI           
64.12.117.12        cache-mtc-ae08.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Milwaukee, WI           
64.12.117.13        cache-mtc-ae09.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Milwaukee, WI           
64.12.117.14        cache-mtc-ae10.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Milwaukee, WI           
64.12.117.15        cache-mtc-ae11.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Milwaukee, WI           
64.12.117.16        cache-mtc-ae12.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Milwaukee, WI           
64.12.117.18        cache-mtc-ae14.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Milwaukee, WI           
64.12.117.19        cache-mtc-ae15.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Milwaukee, WI                   
152.163.100.5       cache-rtc-aa01.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Columbus, OH            
152.163.100.7       cache-rtc-aa03.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Columbus, OH            
152.163.100.8       cache-rtc-aa04.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Columbus, OH            
152.163.100.10      cache-rtc-aa06.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Columbus, OH            
152.163.100.11      cache-rtc-aa07.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Columbus, OH            
152.163.100.12      cache-rtc-aa08.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Columbus, OH            
152.163.100.67      cache-rtc-ab03.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Columbus, OH            
152.163.100.69      cache-rtc-ab05.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Columbus, OH            
152.163.100.72      cache-rtc-ab08.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Columbus, OH            
152.163.100.131     cache-rtc-ac02.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Columbus, OH            
152.163.100.134     cache-rtc-ac05.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Columbus, OH            
152.163.100.136     cache-rtc-ac07.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Columbus, OH            
152.163.100.138     cache-rtc-ac09.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Columbus, OH            
152.163.100.196     cache-rtc-ad02.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Columbus, OH            
152.163.100.197     cache-rtc-ad03.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Columbus, OH            
152.163.100.199     cache-rtc-ad05.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Columbus, OH            
152.163.100.200     cache-rtc-ad06.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Columbus, OH            
152.163.101.5       cache-rtc-ae01.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Woonsocket, RI          
152.163.101.6       cache-rtc-ae02.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Woonsocket, RI          
152.163.101.7       cache-rtc-ae03.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Woonsocket, RI          
152.163.101.8       cache-rtc-ae04.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Woonsocket, RI          
152.163.101.10      cache-rtc-ae06.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Woonsocket, RI          
152.163.101.11      cache-rtc-ae07.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Woonsocket, RI          
152.163.101.12      cache-rtc-ae08.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Woonsocket, RI          
152.163.101.13      cache-rtc-ae09.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Woonsocket, RI          
152.163.101.14      cache-rtc-ae10.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Woonsocket, RI          
172.140.60.31       AC8C3C1F.ipt.aol.com.                    Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: (Unknown city)          
172.141.55.83       AC8D3753.ipt.aol.com.                    Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: (Unknown city)          
172.147.127.192     AC937FC0.ipt.aol.com.                    Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: (Unknown city)          
172.154.252.158     AC9AFC9E.ipt.aol.com.                    Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: (Unknown city)          
172.156.166.149     AC9CA695.ipt.aol.com.                    Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Atlanta, GA             
172.166.132.40      ACA68428.ipt.aol.com.                    Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: (Unknown city)          
172.166.159.19      ACA69F13.ipt.aol.com.                    Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: (Unknown city)          
172.188.227.80      ACBCE350.ipt.aol.com.                    Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: (Unknown city)          
172.197.22.251      ACC516FB.ipt.aol.com.                    Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: (Unknown city)          
172.198.8.59        ACC6083B.ipt.aol.com.                    Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Anaheim, CA             
172.212.113.115     ACD47173.ipt.aol.com.                    Country: (Unknown Country?) (XX) City: (Unknown City?)         
195.93.21.40        cache-los-ab08.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED KINGDOM (UK)   City: Sudbury                 
195.93.21.68        cache-los-ac04.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED KINGDOM (UK)   City: Sudbury                 
195.93.21.104       cache-los-ad08.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED KINGDOM (UK)   City: Sudbury                 
198.81.26.39        None                                     Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: APPLE VALLEY, CA        
198.81.26.41        None                                     Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: APPLE VALLEY, CA        
205.188.116.6       cache-dtc-aa02.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Reading, PA             
205.188.116.7       cache-dtc-aa03.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Reading, PA             
205.188.116.8       cache-dtc-aa04.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Reading, PA             
205.188.116.9       cache-dtc-aa05.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Reading, PA             
205.188.116.11      cache-dtc-aa07.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Reading, PA             
205.188.116.12      cache-dtc-aa08.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Reading, PA             
205.188.116.13      cache-dtc-aa09.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Reading, PA             
205.188.116.14      cache-dtc-aa10.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Reading, PA             
205.188.116.65      cache-dtc-ab01.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Reading, PA             
205.188.116.66      cache-dtc-ab02.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Reading, PA             
205.188.116.67      cache-dtc-ab03.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Reading, PA             
205.188.116.68      cache-dtc-ab04.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Reading, PA             
205.188.116.69      cache-dtc-ab05.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Reading, PA             
205.188.116.70      cache-dtc-ab06.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Reading, PA             
205.188.116.71      cache-dtc-ab07.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Reading, PA             
205.188.116.72      cache-dtc-ab08.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Reading, PA             
205.188.116.74      cache-dtc-ab10.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Reading, PA             
205.188.116.130     cache-dtc-ac01.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Reading, PA             
205.188.116.131     cache-dtc-ac02.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Reading, PA             
205.188.116.132     cache-dtc-ac03.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Reading, PA             
205.188.116.133     cache-dtc-ac04.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Reading, PA             
205.188.116.135     cache-dtc-ac06.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Reading, PA             
205.188.116.136     cache-dtc-ac07.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Reading, PA             
205.188.116.137     cache-dtc-ac08.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Reading, PA             
205.188.116.138     cache-dtc-ac09.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Reading, PA             
205.188.116.139     cache-dtc-ac10.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Reading, PA             
205.188.116.171     None                                     Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Reading, PA             
205.188.116.195     cache-dtc-ad01.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Reading, PA             
205.188.116.196     cache-dtc-ad02.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Reading, PA             
205.188.116.197     cache-dtc-ad03.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Reading, PA             
205.188.116.201     cache-dtc-ad07.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Reading, PA             
205.188.116.202     cache-dtc-ad08.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Reading, PA             
205.188.116.203     cache-dtc-ad09.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Reading, PA             
205.188.116.204     cache-dtc-ad10.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Reading, PA             
205.188.117.6       cache-dtc-ae02.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: ALEXANDRIA, LA          
205.188.117.7       cache-dtc-ae03.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: ALEXANDRIA, LA          
205.188.117.10      cache-dtc-ae06.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: ALEXANDRIA, LA          
205.188.117.12      cache-dtc-ae08.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: ALEXANDRIA, LA          
205.188.117.13      cache-dtc-ae09.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: ALEXANDRIA, LA          
205.188.117.14      cache-dtc-ae10.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: ALEXANDRIA, LA          
205.188.117.65      cache-dtc-af01.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: ALEXANDRIA, LA          
205.188.117.66      cache-dtc-af02.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: ALEXANDRIA, LA          
205.188.117.67      cache-dtc-af03.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: ALEXANDRIA, LA          
205.188.117.69      cache-dtc-af05.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: ALEXANDRIA, LA          
205.188.117.70      cache-dtc-af06.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: ALEXANDRIA, LA          
205.188.117.71      cache-dtc-af07.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: ALEXANDRIA, LA          
205.188.117.72      cache-dtc-af08.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: ALEXANDRIA, LA          
205.188.117.73      cache-dtc-af09.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: ALEXANDRIA, LA          
205.188.117.74      cache-dtc-af10.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: ALEXANDRIA, LA          
207.200.116.65      cache-ntc-ab01.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Farmington, NM          
207.200.116.139     cache-ntc-ac10.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Farmington, NM          
207.200.116.200     cache-ntc-ad06.proxy.aol.com.            Country: UNITED STATES (US)    City: Farmington, NM

which means that blocking all of 64, would have actually come pretty close to blocking a third of all documented AOL users on wikipedia, give or take--205.188.117.8 23:17, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

No, I don't mind that. --Nlu (talk) 00:05, 19 February 2006 (UTC)


Vandalism

Thank you for reverting the sillyness on my talk page. Seems the same edit returns with different IP's. Is it possible to prevent my page from being molested on a daily basis?Holland Nomen Nescio 05:19, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

No, not really, unless you request it be protected, which is usually not worth it to do, in my opinion. --Nlu (talk) 05:35, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
Too bad I can't be an admin for my own page. Then I could protect and unprotect it myself when I need to. Can't help but think that it is VinnyCee trying to make point. Let's see what happens. Thanks.Holland Nomen Nescio 11:16, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Image

Is it OK to transfer a image of a USMC DI to my User page ? Martial Law 10:00, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Someone threw it out of Misplaced Pages:Boot camp. Martial Law 10:01, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

That depends on whether the image is public domain or fair use or not. If it's copyrighted, it won't work no matter where you place it unless you can successfully assert fair use. --Nlu (talk) 15:41, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
It was a US Marine Sgt. bellowing at USMC recruits, and it is in the public domain. Just being cautious. Martial Law 04:08, 20 February 2006 (UTC) :)

Dylan's Birthdate

I noticed your Rv, and it reminded me of something I've always meant to point out. On the cover of the book that comes with The Bootleg Series Vol 1-3, there's a photo of his passport that shows his date of birth as the 11th and not the 24th. Do you think that the State Department made a mistake, or has he been lying about his birthdate? I'd be interested to know what you make of this. Cheers, Lion King 17:02, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Well, it's that sources I can find all say May 24, and since the anon does not give a source, I reverted him/her. If you believe that May 11 is reliable, please go ahead and change it and discuss it on the talk page. --Nlu (talk) 21:24, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
Not taking issue with your Rv, I would have done the same. I've seen a copy of his birth certificate, says the 24th. Just wanted to know if there was any way a mistake could occour on a U.S. passport. Maybe it's a fake and it's just one more example of one of his "hidden" visual jokes. Lion King 22:01, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
Could be a fake, or could be that he put down the wrong date, either accidentally or not. Back several decades ago the government didn't check things as carefully. --Nlu (talk) 22:24, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for your time, I suppose someone will have to bell him on his radio show and ask him! cheers, be lucky, Lion King 22:34, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages rules

Can I ask for some advise? I am having a discussion on what can and cannot be used on Misplaced Pages. Several editors want to dismiss certain information claiming it is not supported or that it is biased. As I see it, in controversial issues there is always bias, but we must try and present all views so that readers can be informed on the existing views surrounding that subject. All I want to know is: can information be used from sources that are said to be POV?

For more details you can look here. Thank you.--Holland Nomen Nescio 16:38, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

I can't review it right now, but this is my thought: sources that are POV can be used, but the information that come from them have to be carefully examined for POVness, and that POVness should be removed; the NPOV facts can go in. --Nlu (talk) 16:44, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

2004 New Hampshire General Court Election

Well, it depends on your definition of under construction. It's definately nowhere near done, but I doubt i'll have enough time to get it done anytime soon, the tables are a bitch to do. Karmafist 23:30, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Please consider.

You have given me a warning and please apologize me for what I have done. But please consider monitoring the article "Fimu"; it is the nickname I use over the internet and someone called "Japa" has kept changing it to gross and bad things such as anal masturbation and such (I would have to rechange it for something else afterwards everytime - check log). I would kindly ask you, moderation team, to enforce this monitoring over this "Thread", otherwise I will have to take measures myself (it is a public webpage and I can't really let something that I use to identify myself being denigrated - for he spams the link all over the place.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.139.161.36 (talk • contribs)

and just to remind u. you're the one who told me i'm allowed to post controversial images on my talk page without endorsing them — Preceding unsigned comment added by Freestyle.king (talk • contribs)

I don't get your point. I didn't remove the image. --Nlu (talk) 05:33, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

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ok fine...my bad. but why exactly is your reason for blockin me?? i didn't even sign on o and please reply to me on my talk page.--Freestyle.king 05:53, 20 February 2006 (UTC) well i still can't see nothin wrong with my comment. i simply told him that his picture is insulting the people in Taiwan and the president. is theresomethin wrong with it???--Freestyle.king 06:25, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

I've already explained: he already informed you he didn't agree with the man's message. And don't presume to speak for the people in Taiwan. --Nlu (talk) 06:28, 20 February 2006 (UTC)