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Hi, can you find a source or to for this?♦ ] 17:53, 5 January 2011 (UTC) Hi, can you find a source or to for this?♦ ] 17:53, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

== REMOVED MY COMMENTS ==

You know what, Konieczny?  The thought of my comments from yesterday being here nauseates me.  Your archive will be the edit history.  Your conception of what nobility is, particularly Polish nobility, is so underdeveloped and ignorant, callow and juvenile, it's laughable trying to have an intelligent discussion with you in regards to its significance.  Your one-dimensional, simplistic criteria for notability is RICH = NOTABLE, or something simplistic along those lines.  Really, it's all you can conceive, given the little you have to draw upon, which I have to infer from the way the debate was framed.  Who knows?  It's something befuddled and dark, like a tar pit of ignorance.  As you've said (paraphrasing), "Smart peasants were joining the szlachta all the time."  That says it all.

Since I'm deleting my comments, and you're big on archiving, this is only here as a courtesy, for what that's worth, since I want nothing of any finesse or depth showing me in an exercise of futility, which I find extremely embarrassing, even nauseating.  I'm going to write my articles, and consider your deletion nominations like so many large, blood-sucking horseflies I'm going to have to deal with, and that's the only reason you have my attention.  Don't go citing civility and personal attacks, because you know, and anyone at large reading knows, it's the truth, so I'm cutting to the chase now publicly, and as far as biting my tongue, which I should do in consideration of the Misplaced Pages community at large, I've bitten it off.  See your lengthy ban history. -- ] (]) 04:47, 8 January 2011 (UTC)


== Re your AE topic ban appeal == == Re your AE topic ban appeal ==

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Wow, you are such an example of a helpful Wikipedian Piotrus! I appreciate the welcome, and thank you for your awesome contributions to the Misplaced Pages effort--thanks again! 216.38.130.164 (talk) 21:59, 9 November 2010

Arbitration enforcement action appeal by Piotrus

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

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Request reason:

See detailed reasons below. Short version: I am topic banned "from articles about national, cultural, or ethnic disputes within Eastern Europe". I edited an uncontroversial article about a battle in Eastern Europe. Blocking admin thinks I violated my topic ban because all things military are clearly part of my topic ban. I believe I didn't.

I would like to ask you to consider this: which disputes was I banned from? I was banned from ETHNIC, NATIONAL and CULTURAL disputes. Not from ALL disputes. Nor from MILITARY ones. There is no word "MILITARY" in my topic ban. Hence I did not violate it.

I am open to discussing whether I should not edit military articles. Heck, I promise that I will abstain from them till neutral editors reach consensus on that issue (presumably, on AE). The block serves no purpose, if one wanted to warn me that somewhere in the ETHNIC, NATIONAL and CULTURAL disputes there are MILIARY disputes (and I have trouble seeing where), this could have been achieved with a simple warning - why the draconian one week block?

I thus believe that it is sufficiently clear that I did not violate the topic ban that I should be unblocked; at the same time I promise to avoid military-related articles pending discussion to determine if this is so. I have no desire to aggreviate the situation, I just wish to return to peaceful editing as soon as possible. Please review the procedural note below, though - I don't want to get any admin in trouble over unblocking me (the wiki bureaucracy gets more and more complex and unfriendly by the minute, it seems). Thank you, --User:Piotrus 00:38, 1 January 2011 (UTC) PS. I am blocked so I cannot notify the blocking admin with a diff, I emailed him and I see he has now copied the appeal to AE. Please note that my unblock request is separate, and related, and I don't believe it is procedurally invalidated by an ongoing AE discussion.

Decline reason:

Procedural decline—you know the drill AE blocks to contested at AE yadda yadda. Wait one while I copy your appeal over there. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 04:50, 1 January 2011 (UTC)


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Hi Piotrus - I have unblocked you following your appeal here (reasons therein). Good luck in the Wikicup. --Mkativerata (talk) 01:23, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
  • Happy New Year. I was absent when you sent me the note but it appears this was resolved not that much latter. I assume this is no longer a matter of urgency to look into? Ncmvocalist (talk) 03:43, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

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7dteam- Thank you for your advice how to add a page, but I need to know how to add an article to a page. Sorry for the misunderstanding. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 7dteam (talkcontribs) 19:25, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

"Adopted" getting Białystok to B-Class

Need suggestions on what additional Białystok needs to get to B-Class. Been putting some heavy work into the top half of the article. I already know the culture / sport section needs some improvement since I haven't touched below the Industry section. Ajh1492 (talk) 23:30, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

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Hi, can you find a source or to for this?♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:53, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Re your AE topic ban appeal

Sorry, but it strains credulity (mine, anyway) to believe that you didn't realize that the Adam Mickiewicz article was the subject of a dispute among Lithuanian and Polish editors with whom you are well-acquainted until the moment before you were going to hit save, as you state here . (Quote: But moments before I was about to hit the save button, I realized that the article seems to be in the midst of an edit war related to the subject nationality...). (Recent article/talk page history: , ). You haven't edited the article since 2007 and you must have thousands of other articles that need improvement on your watchlist.

You could have posted an article edit request to the PL noticeboard re this, as you have for many articles during the past few months.

In my view the A.M. part of your appeal demonstrates.. what to call it... a lack of forthcoming-ness. The remainder of the appeal, in which you speak of WP's losses from your lack of participation, that's a different story that others can think over.

If you remove the A.M. section I shan't contest your appeal, since lifting your topic ban now or in March doesn't make much difference in the long run. But I am concerned about that part - possibly the readers will take your assertion at face value without checking the article/talk page histories. You could either remove that section (since it hasn't been commented on there yet) or strike it. If you choose not to do either, I may bring it up at the AE appeal.

I'd prefer that we keep the conversation here, but if you'd rather have it on my talk page, that's OK by me - if so I'll post talkbacks. Novickas (talk) 21:03, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

I knew about the nationality debate, of course, but I did not want to join it - I just wanted to fix a minor referencing problem, and moments before I hit the save button I realized that editing this article could be a topic ban violation (even through my edit had nothing to do with it). Perhaps this isn't clear in my request. I will clarify this in the request when I have a little more time (in a day or two); overall I think you have a point but I'll have to think how the wording could be clarified (if you want to suggest such a revised wording for me here to consider, please do so). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 09:22, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
The problem is, you say your topic ban has fuzzy boundaries, but acknowledge here that you knew the A.M. article was disputed. So you do know where the line is.
If I were in your shoes, I'd be staying well inside the line. Thereby sparing fellow editors the aggravation of evaluating my edits and incident reports - to me that's more important than the minor improvements you might have made during some of these toeing-the-line ventures. Clearly the community has found evaluation exhaustingly time-consuming and sometimes inconclusive. I wouldn't cite that as a reason for lifting my ban - I'd see the evaluation processes as an unfortunate waste of community resources. I'd try to show that I had helped resolve disputes using a venue open to me, which in your case would be the PL noticeboard. (Other relevant noticeboard notices pointing to the discussions there would certainly be OK by me too). To demonstrate my readiness to conduct open, honest business here. Novickas (talk) 17:05, 7 January 2011 (UTC)



Czy smakowała Ci ta gumowa kanapka z serem wczoraj? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrk91f (talkcontribs) 16:01, 8 January 2011 (UTC)