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Non-OVA Characters, Images and Character Content

Please discuss any issues regarding non-OVA characters created by Huke, images and information content here before editing as I'm sure everyone would like to avoid an edit war. This mainly pertains to the initial state of the article as opposed to the current which removes the excessive non-free images and non-notable characters. Please read the manual of style for proper formatting and also WP:NOTE for notability concerns.

To address one of the more hot topic issues regarding this article, the non-OVA characters were removed because of notability. Apart from being drawn by Huke, these characters do not appear in any other medium aside web images and art books. All information about them are held down to what they look like and what weapons they use. There is little to no background or story information about these characters and no references to back any of the information. The profile images that were added to compliment the prose were deleted because of improper licensing and absent non-free information. We can't even have that many images as well due to restrictions on non-free image content in articles, especially in character lists which is why group shots are highly preferred. Basically, these characters are unnecessary. Pertaining to Huke, they can be mentioned very briefly in the prose possibly under development or conception. However any information about them should be limited until they play a larger role in the BRS universe. Fox816 (talk) 21:04, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Character names

As an additional note, Mad Doggin 7 seems to believe some characters have inaccurate names. For example, he has continually edited Black Gold Saw to Golden Rock Saw, and Strength to White Rock Strength, and others. Those names are inaccurate, and if those names are used, the page is to be edited accordingly. --97.100.193.48 (talk) 20:48, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Let's keep in mind good faith as we're all trying to improve this article :) I myself am not sure as to what the accurate names are for the characters aside the main four in the OVA so I can't comment on naming issues. Could you provide some links to some reliable sources with correct translations? This article is also in need of some better references so any help at all is appreciated. Other than that thanks for the help! Fox816 (talk) 22:01, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

I will agree to a mentionable concept addition section that lists other "other world" characters. No pics is ok. Just so long as the names are correct.

As for the Names the reason why so many are incorrect on several sites listing them is because they listed the fanmade names some fans gave them before Huke named them. As such Black Golden Saw is actually called Golden Rock Saw by Huke himself. With the exception of a couple of characters all the characters created by Huke has "rock" in their names and is identified by a color at the front of their names. Black Rock Shooter, Yellow Rock Dagger, Red Rock Dragon Slayer etc... Mad Doggin 7 (talk) 20:12, 22 September 2010 (UTC)MadDoggin

If you can find reliable sources to the accurate names of these characters then that would be great. Since there appears to be fan-made names floating about we would need references to back everything up. One or two good sources would be good for the mentionable concept addition somewhere in the main BRS article and in the lead prose to this list which is very much needed. I'm trying to work up a lead prose for this article but if anyone else knows and can write that it would be a big help. Fox816 (talk) 03:47, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

The only site that lists the names properly are on Huke's blog site, but that's all in Japanese. Trying to find a site with the proper names in English is next to impossible due to the fanmade names and translation errors, but I'll try. and i don't mean to sound like a noob here but what is a prose? Is it like a title sentence describing what/who the characters basically are? Like "Huke, the creator of Black Rock Shooter, has also made several more characters that were not shown in the OVA but are apart of the "Other World" story." something like that? Mad Doggin 7 (talk) 15:59, 23 September 2010 (UTC)Mad Doggin7

Prose itself refers to just any body of text. The lead, which you can read about here at this link, is what is needed for this article. It acts as basically an overview of what the article is about, very concise and to the point while establishing purpose and context. Some very notable examples are the character lists for Naruto and lists for Bleach, the former of which has reached featured status. If Wiki articles could dream, they would dream about attaining Featured status or earning the title of Good Article. I know...I know...what I just said there sounds rather dorky but it's true :) While Wiki is a compendium of information, there is still a basic structure to be followed and for the most part we're all in some way journalists and researchers looking to get published :D Fox816 (talk)

Here is a page scan from one of Huke's art books, and it cloarly shows BGS in the corner there. And as for STR...--97.100.193.48 (talk) 22:28, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Neither one of your links work so thus i can onlu say you still have no proof. Although i must say it's hard to find and English site with the correct names. I'm still looking. Mad Doggin 7 (talk) 16:11, 30 September 2010 (UTC)Mad Dogging 7

Right then, another scan of BGS and STR. Those links should work.--97.100.193.48 (talk) 23:46, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

403 forbidden Mad Doggin 7 (talk) 17:28, 19 October 2010 (UTC)Mad Dogging 7

The second link does work. And how about this?--68.204.17.249 (talk) 00:14, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, that is NOT on of Huke's drawings. that is a fanmade pic. Huke has never drawn GRS with a clawed hand like that. Mad Doggin 7 (talk) 21:40, 2 December 2010 (UTC)Mad Doggin

I would like to request and auto unedit script be put onto this page. people keep changing the names to the mistranslated names. the unedit script should change all names back to their original names and send a warning to the people who changed it. Mad Doggin 7 (talk) 17:35, 10 December 2010 (UTC)Mad_Doggin

Hello, I am the creator of the Wikia site for Black Rock Shooter, AND the most recent editor of the BRS Character List. There has been NO confirmations by huke himself that Golden Rock Saw and White Rock Strength are official; if so, why hasn't it been edited accordingly in the Japanese Misplaced Pages article on BRS? (http://ja.wikipedia.org/%E3%83%96%E3%83%A9%E3%83%83%E3%82%AF%E2%98%85%E3%83%AD%E3%83%83%E3%82%AF%E3%82%B7%E3%83%A5%E3%83%BC%E3%82%BF%E3%83%BC) Also, here are some snippets from the BRS Phenomenon book recently released.

Also, Mad Doggin's assumptions that the images presented are fan art are wrong. The picture of Strength is part of the BRS Phenomenon book, which includes character drawings, and Black Gold Saw's picture is actually a scanned image. Herald of meridian (talk) 00:38, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

I changed the names back to how they were presented for the past year, at no point have I ever seen HUKE refer to BGS or STR as the names Mad Doggin 7 insist they are. He/she is coming off as someone new to the BRS universe. Black Gold Saw's arm is indeed skeletal in appearance, whether by a gauntlet or her actual arm, that part is unclear but that is indeed HUKEs design. White Rock Strength, in my opinion, is a fan name since using "Black" and "Rock" for inspired Original character is rather common. I searched HUKE's blog, art accounts, and saw figure titles, and every time the names were in the order BGS (ブラック ゴールドソー) and STR (ストレングス)... there is no Golden or White Rock anything. Unicogirl (talk) 22:34, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

To the people who have not been able to find Huke's blog article saying the names are incorrect you won't find then on his public blog, but his private blog that he has for his friends to look at. This blog was linked to one of our Moderators and confirmed by her earlier this month. In it it indeed says that Huke can't beleive so many people have gotten Golden Rock Saw's name incorrect. But he also says he won't complain about it anymore. As for White Rock Strength his blog says that Strength or STR is her nick name. Her full name is White Rock Strength. Since Misplaced Pages doesn't list Nick names as full names we are inclined to put their full name. Fox816 (talk)

Until one of you (and this invisible Moderator) can actually prove this blog entry exist then it will just be called fanmade hearsay. Why would HUKE call Black Gold Saw ブラック★ゴールドソー on this artwork, mention her as Black Gold Saw or Gold Saw-(honorific) in interviews and various others media and then later alter it to something else without telling the fanbase? Not only that but also complaining about it?

What purpose is there in keeping it private? If the information on the two characters is incorrect and even the Japanese fanbase apparently isn't aware of it, then why can't you provide anything? To say he was complaining about something that he can fix simply by publicly stating it, is just unbelievable. Unicogirl (talk) 05:35, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Give us the proof then, Fox816. I and the entire Black★Rock Shooter Wiki will be awaiting the link for huke's private blog. Otherwise, I shall assume you are defending Mad Doggin 7 and his rule-breaking practices. Such practices are unacceptable. Herald of meridian (talk) 07:43, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

I'm going to wait a few more days until one of them proves their findings, if nothing comes up I am changing the names back to how they are originally named when HUKE drew them and then getting a Misplaced Pages staff to end this. Unicogirl (talk) 20:27, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

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