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	:Current conversation below ("Stub templates and marking") and at ] is uncovering a myriad of issues around Misplaced Pages policy relative to officially-named stubs. I'm inclined to avoid the stub process altogether in favor of the assessment template ] has suggested, which I think will be more useful for more purposes. If you'd like to set up a templates section in the above nav, start a basic assessment template, and start a discussion around that, it would be really handy. (We don't have to actually '''do''' any assessments yet, but placing the assessment template will allow us to generate a project page of entries which use that template.) As long as our assessment template has a "stub" rating somewhere, we can use it to mark entries that need work. Does that make sense? ---'''Shane Landrum''' (] \| ] \| ]) 23:05, 7 February 2011 (UTC)		:Current conversation below ("Stub templates and marking") and at ] is uncovering a myriad of issues around Misplaced Pages policy relative to officially-named stubs. I'm inclined to avoid the stub process altogether in favor of the assessment template ] has suggested, which I think will be more useful for more purposes. If you'd like to set up a templates section in the above nav, start a basic assessment template, and start a discussion around that, it would be really handy. (We don't have to actually '''do''' any assessments yet, but placing the assessment template will allow us to generate a project page of entries which use that template.) As long as our assessment template has a "stub" rating somewhere, we can use it to mark entries that need work. Does that make sense? ---'''Shane Landrum''' (] \| ] \| ]) 23:05, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

	: I'll modify what I just said. If someone could make a decision about the Banner templates below (fix them up aesthetically, modify the Banner to be an assessment template, etc) and then create them as separate templates linked from ], that would be ideal. Once that's done, we'll need to: 1) create a backlinks page for all entries marked with that template; 2) modify the project's base page to explain how to use that assessment template for marking entries as within the scope of our project; 3) start a separate decision about the precise assessment criteria we want to use, overlapping where possible with the criteria for ] and similar projects. ---'''Shane Landrum''' (] \| ] \| ]) 23:13, 7 February 2011 (UTC)		: I'll modify what I just said. If someone could make a decision about the Banner templates below (fix them up aesthetically, modify the Banner to be an assessment template, etc) and then create them as separate templates linked from ], that would be ideal. Once that's done, we'll need to: 1) create a backlinks page for all entries marked with that template; 2) modify the project's base page to explain how to use that assessment template for marking entries as within the scope of our project; 3) start a separate decision about the precise assessment criteria we want to use, overlapping where possible with the criteria for ] and similar projects. ---'''Shane Landrum''' (] \| ] \| ]) 23:13, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

	== Stub template creation and marking ==		== Stub template creation and marking ==

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Getting Started

Want to help but don't know how? Got a technical question? Ask it here. ---Shane Landrum (cliotropic) 02:56, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

I wrote up a blog post last night with more information on how to get started helping. If/when you write one, follow up here with a link. ---Shane Landrum (cliotropic) 14:11, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Stub identification -- how?

I want to dive in identifying stub articles that need work. I can add the stub template to them, but should I be marking them here on WP:WMNHIST or something as well? How will we find them again? --Skud (talk) 21:23, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Current conversation below ("Stub templates and marking") and at the stub proposal is uncovering a myriad of issues around Misplaced Pages policy relative to officially-named stubs. I'm inclined to avoid the stub process altogether in favor of the assessment template User:Waacstats has suggested, which I think will be more useful for more purposes. If you'd like to set up a templates section in the above nav, start a basic assessment template, and start a discussion around that, it would be really handy. (We don't have to actually do any assessments yet, but placing the assessment template will allow us to generate a project page of entries which use that template.) As long as our assessment template has a "stub" rating somewhere, we can use it to mark entries that need work. Does that make sense? ---Shane Landrum (cliotropic | talk | contribs) 23:05, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

I'll modify what I just said. If someone could make a decision about the Banner templates below (fix them up aesthetically, modify the Banner to be an assessment template, etc) and then create them as separate templates linked from WP:WikiProject Women's History/Templates, that would be ideal. Once that's done, we'll need to: 1) create a backlinks page for all entries marked with that template; 2) modify the project's base page to explain how to use that assessment template for marking entries as within the scope of our project; 3) start a separate decision about the precise assessment criteria we want to use, overlapping where possible with the criteria for WP:BIO and similar projects. ---Shane Landrum (cliotropic | talk | contribs) 23:13, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Stub template creation and marking

I've applied for the stub {{women-hist-stub}} and the category Category:Women's history stubs. On 11 Feb 2011, if there are no objections, this can be created as a formal stub template and stub category, and then we can start marking articles appropriately.---Shane Landrum (cliotropic) 17:18, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

I noticed the proposal on the stub project, I think you may be better off with something similar to WP:BIOG/A. It will allow you to rate articles on importance as well as the class and not just that it is a stub article. I can't find a page with a description of how a wikiproject goes about creating them and using them but hopefully it's fairly easy to work out otherwise see if another wikiproject which uses a similar template can help. Waacstats (talk) 22:37, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

What I think I hear you saying is that we'll be better off with an assessment-style scale for quality and/or importance rather than simply an "is this a stub or not?" marking system. That makes sense. I wonder whether it makes sense to piggyback onto WP:BIOG formally-- some kind of joint task force on biographies of women, at least for the parts of WP:WMNHIST which are biography-related. Thoughts, anyone? ---Shane Landrum (cliotropic | talk | contribs) 03:35, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Stubs risk deletion; nonstubs, not so much. And a way to see when women get too little coverage is vital. Assessments seem to be done by all of the WikiProjects already, so that tool or system seems widely available without having to use someone else's. Subsuming creates invisibility and lowers priority. I hope WikiProject Women's History goes forward. Nick Levinson (talk) 04:33, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Strongly agree. See my above replies to Skud (1 topic up) for next suggested steps: creating an assessment template out of the Banner template below. ---Shane Landrum (cliotropic | talk | contribs) 23:15, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Banner

Let's create a banner for members to add to their User pages and for the Talk pages of articles. In honor of Shane's Cliotropic, should we use a free image of Clio as part of the logo - check these out already in Wikimedia Commons Randolph.hollingsworth (talk) 17:36, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

An attempt for the group to discuss Randolph.hollingsworth (talk) 18:26, 7 February 2011 (UTC) Module:WikiProject banner/doc
This page is a soft redirect.

This template has been replaced by Module:WikiProject banner

If you want an image of Clio, muse of history, why not the painting by Artemisia Gentileschi? She was a painter at a time when women were rarely accepted as such. And the image probably "reads" better. Cynwolfe (talk) 22:22, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

* I love the Gentileschi image, though I'm also aware that repeated use of images will place a larger load on the Misplaced Pages servers. Still, let's go with it; we can always change it later if the image becomes a problem. I'll work on creating a "Templates" section in the project nav bar and put some well-tweaked versions of these in it. ---Shane Landrum (cliotropic | talk | contribs) 22:56, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

See above discussions 1 and 2 topics up. I love the idea of a banner, and I think we'll be better off to use a banner template with assessment features built in. Feel free to pitch in on that as appropriate. ---Shane Landrum (cliotropic | talk | contribs) 23:20, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

and switching to another icon available for Clio - for a userbox (somebody needs to work on color choices!),

This user is a member of the WikiProject Women's History

Randolph.hollingsworth (talk) 17:36, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

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	:Current conversation below ("Stub templates and marking") and at ] is uncovering a myriad of issues around Misplaced Pages policy relative to officially-named stubs. I'm inclined to avoid the stub process altogether in favor of the assessment template ] has suggested, which I think will be more useful for more purposes. If you'd like to set up a templates section in the above nav, start a basic assessment template, and start a discussion around that, it would be really handy. (We don't have to actually '''do''' any assessments yet, but placing the assessment template will allow us to generate a project page of entries which use that template.) As long as our assessment template has a "stub" rating somewhere, we can use it to mark entries that need work. Does that make sense? ---'''Shane Landrum''' (] \| ] \| ]) 23:05, 7 February 2011 (UTC)		:Current conversation below ("Stub templates and marking") and at ] is uncovering a myriad of issues around Misplaced Pages policy relative to officially-named stubs. I'm inclined to avoid the stub process altogether in favor of the assessment template ] has suggested, which I think will be more useful for more purposes. If you'd like to set up a templates section in the above nav, start a basic assessment template, and start a discussion around that, it would be really handy. (We don't have to actually '''do''' any assessments yet, but placing the assessment template will allow us to generate a project page of entries which use that template.) As long as our assessment template has a "stub" rating somewhere, we can use it to mark entries that need work. Does that make sense? ---'''Shane Landrum''' (] \| ] \| ]) 23:05, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

	: I'll modify what I just said. If someone could make a decision about the Banner templates below (fix them up aesthetically, modify the Banner to be an assessment template, etc) and then create them as separate templates linked from ], that would be ideal. Once that's done, we'll need to: 1) create a backlinks page for all entries marked with that template; 2) modify the project's base page to explain how to use that assessment template for marking entries as within the scope of our project; 3) start a separate decision about the precise assessment criteria we want to use, overlapping where possible with the criteria for ] and similar projects. ---'''Shane Landrum''' (] \| ] \| ]) 23:13, 7 February 2011 (UTC)		: I'll modify what I just said. If someone could make a decision about the Banner templates below (fix them up aesthetically, modify the Banner to be an assessment template, etc) and then create them as separate templates linked from ], that would be ideal. Once that's done, we'll need to: 1) create a backlinks page for all entries marked with that template; 2) modify the project's base page to explain how to use that assessment template for marking entries as within the scope of our project; 3) start a separate decision about the precise assessment criteria we want to use, overlapping where possible with the criteria for ] and similar projects. ---'''Shane Landrum''' (] \| ] \| ]) 23:13, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

	== Stub template creation and marking ==		== Stub template creation and marking ==