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Updates to Kriya Yoga

Yes, I'd like to start a discussion with anyone interested in an up to date Kriya Yoga page.

It can be agreed that Kriya Yoga's origins are traced to Mahavatar Babaji, and that the spread of Kriya yoga throughout the world was revived by Babaji's disciple Lahiri Mahasaya. It can also be agreed that Paramahansa Yogananda popularized the ancient practice in the west, and that Yogananda was a great Master.

It should be noted that there are other sources of information besides Yogananda's Autobiography of a Yogi. Though it is a masterpiece, it is not the only worthy literature on the subject Kriya Yoga. In fact Wings to Freedom by Gurunath contains knowledge about the Superconscious states of Samadhi that Yogananda never revealed. It also contains a great deal of information about Mahavatar Babaji that elucidates this Beings origins and nature.

If you have a reason for constantly deleting this knowledge from the updates, please make it clear so that we can attempt to come to an agreement. I have never erased nor altered someone elses wording, despite my personal bias, and I would expect the same from others.

I don't know who is deleting your posts in their entirety - I have been moving your posts, and editing them to the appropriate length, and will continue to do so. I believe that you're using these pages (Kriya Yoga and Mahavatar Babaji) to promote your Guru and his book above other Kriya teachers. I find your lengthy posts, and insistence on burying other lineages by the placement and length of your posts, to be as uncompromising as the person who is deleting them entirely.

However, in the spirit of compromise, I do believe that Other Lineages that claim a direct connection to Babaji, even though they sometimes contradict each other, and Yogananda, have their place here, under Other Lineages.

Lahiri Mahasaya and his lineage, inlcuding Paramhansa Yogananda, are universally respected by Kriya Yogis of all lines in India, U.S., and Europe. They introduced Kriya Yoga to the world. They are universally considered to be the authority of Kriya Yoga. Since that time, others like Govindan and Siddhanath have claimed a direct connection to Babaji. Again, even though these others contradict each other, they should be listed here.

The length of your posts are inappropriate, and an obvious attempt to promote your teacher and his book. Please read my comments on the Mahavatar Babaji discussion page about this, and a helpful suggestion for you to promote your teacher with his own Misplaced Pages page.

Also, I suggest you become a member when you post, or make your changes using only your member name, and also to post your name here in the discussion. Look up the Misplaced Pages guidelines on this (including how to post your name and time stamp as I've done below), and on these other issues that we're discussin.

Priyanath 20:59, 3 March 2006 (UTC)Priyanath

In order to communicate more fully the reasons for editing of this page, I'm explaining here (rather than making wholesale changes with no explanation, as people have been doing). I hope others will start showing the same consideration.

1. Changed introduction to more accurately reflect where the vast majority of people have heard of Kriya Yoga, through the lineage of Lahiri Mahasaya and through Yogananda's Autobiography of a Yogi.

2. Added Yogananda's explanation of Kriya Yoga for same reason.

Please read Misplaced Pages guidelines on Neutral Point of View, especially the Undue Weight section: http://en.wikipedia.org/WP:NPOVUW

I point that out because the vast majority of practicing Kriya Yogis are undoubtedly from the Lahiri Mahasaya lineage, through Yogananda and others. There are several other 'direct-from-Babaji' lines that teach Kriya in varying ways that are clearly a minority view. As the guidelines point out, they should be represented in Misplaced Pages pages, but attempts to portray them as the majority view are not following the Misplaced Pages guidelines.

3. Tweaked the Yamas and Niyamas to reflect a more majority view of their meanings, making them more in line with the Misplaced Pages sections on Yamas and Niyamas. Bramhacharya, for example, in practice means non-sensuality in general, not merely non-illicit sex, which is a much more narrow understanding of the term.

Priyanath 21:50, 4 March 2006 (UTC)Priyanath

If you have not audited the Kriya Yoga world, you have no basis for this argument. This is your opinion solely. hamsacharya dan.

I've audited the Kriya world for many years, and have discussed Kriya Yoga with followers from many traditions. I've also practiced Kriya for many years. These opinions are not mine, but are widely accpeted. I respect the devotion that you have for your Guru, but I have to say that others don't give it the same pre-eminence that you're trying to give it here.

Also note that I'm not the one deleting all of your passages. Apparently someone as strongly opinionated as yourself has been doing that. I've re-inserted your missives a few times, out of respect for the right of other Kriya lineages to have their say, even if it is an extreme minority POV.

Priyanath 02:36, 5 March 2006 (UTC)Priyanath

Priya Nath, we both have integrity for what we believe. I think in other circumstances we would be friends. I have never felt the desire to step on others toes, but only to add what I feel to be quality information in an attempt to enrich other peoples lives. I also feel the need to cite my sources, out of respect for their work. I've always stood up above all for the deepest truths, and I think you too - Kriya yogis are usually advanced souls. I do feel the need to include references to the contributions of my guru because I have an intense conviction that his contributions are of the highest possible quality available this day in age. I have had countless extraordinary experiences by the grace of Gurunath that would have to be experienced to be believed, so needless to say, my faith in him is unequivocal, and I feel deeply blessed to be in the satsang of a living master. I am a neuroscientist by training - so I can safely tell you that I have a very rigorous and meticulous scientific nature - I am not the type to believe in things easily, so I do feel my judgment is relatively refined. There are many many teachers, but very very few Masters. I have experienced the satsang of both types - many teachers and a few masters - and know the difference. I wish for people to understand the difference so that they know what their options are. Nevertheless I have not overburdened wikipedia with my Masters knowledge base, but have attempted solely to give them equal representation. I also notice that you are a Nath yogi as well, as you have taken the birth name of Sri Yukteswar! I'd be interested to hear about your background if you feel inclined to share! Hamsacharya dan 08:30, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

The cunning old man who calls himself Siddhanath Gurunath is a well-known confidence artist in India who is absolutely ignorant of Kriya Yoga as taught by Babaji to Lahiri Mahasaya. He is the laughingstock of authentic Kriya Yoga lineages and has been busted many times for his fakery and outlandish claims. If we allow this spiritual criminal to spread his Wings (pardon the pun) in here then anyone, even a complete lunatic confined in a mental assylum, can claim to have met Babaji and have his accounts included here. We should only include the words of relevant people. If this cunning old man (I don't even want to call him Gurunath because that isn't his real name) and his clone Dan (neuroscientist? Please post your diploma and university transcript of records so that we can verify them or else you can claim to be Santa Claus for all I care) are that desperate to promote their cult together with their book that nobody wants to buy then I suggest that they create another page for the fake Kriya Yoga of their hallucinated Shiv Gorakshanath Babaji because neither the Kriya Yogis from the Lineage of Lahiri Mahasaya nor the Sanatan Dharma scholars and historians would agree that Babaji, the Guru of Lahiri Mahasaya (not of Guru nut) and Goraksha were the same person, and that the Kriya yoga being taught by Guru Nut is the same Kriya that Lahiri Mahasaya receieved from Babaji.

I also suggest that disinterested parties make a research about the character of Guru Nut for future contributions.

No to Nuts 00:21, 5 March 2006 (UTC)No to Nuts