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"Imagine a world in which every single person on the planet is given free access to the sum of all human knowledge, and in which anyone has unlimited opportunity to try to destroy that knowledge every day, wasting hundreds of hours of our contributors' time by making them serve as janitors, instead of allowing those contributors to add to the sum of human knowledge. That's what we're doing!" - What Jim Wales would say if he ever told himself the truth about what his precious dream has really become! If you leave a message for me: I will generally respond here. Either add this page to your watchlist or ask me to notify you of a response on your talk page. If I leave a message for you: Please respond on your talk page. I will add it to my watchlist, so you don't need to notify me, unless I don't respond when a response is expected (normally within 24 hours, unless the issue is urgent). This helps keep discussions in one place and makes them easier to read and follow. If you are discussing an article: I would prefer to use that article's talk page, unless you'd rather not to use that page for some reason, such as commenting on a particular user's edits in semi-privacy. If you're new, and I've reverted you, please don't revert me without at least talking to me first. I've been around a while, and I know how WP works. If I reverted you, it was for a good reason, and you need to ask me what that reason was. I usually give a short edit summary explaining my reason, but often there are other policy-related issues that are related. But if you do leave me a message, please be civil. I generally do not bother to leave messages on IP talk pages, since many IPs are dynamic, and there's no way to know the difference on the first edits. The user will more than likely never even know they received a message, so it's just a waste of time better spent on actual editing. (This is one example of how not having mandatory registration does a great disservice to IP editors. Becasue of this, IP editors really ARE second-class users, made so by Jim Wales' own non-negotiable (thus dictatorial) policies.) The main exception is vandalism warnings, which are required before most admins will block or ban for vandalism. Please limit this page to discussions not related to any particular article, those covering a wide range of articles/topics, or personal comments. Note: I reserve the right to decline or withdraw from a situation that is escalating or uncomfortable, without giving a reason, or to take further action through permissable means. (See this policy.) This may include removing your messages from my talk page. If I've done so, please DO NOT re-add the same meassage, or follow-up with another - They will be removed again, mostly likely with a edit summary about your obnoxiousness in continually hounding me. If you then follow this up wth an ANI report, you're proving that you are a real jerk, and I won't respond there either, per WP:DNFT. I may, however, file my own ANI report against your harrasment, which you may define as "public scolding", but is in reality wiki-lynching. My key points to remember about editing Misplaced Pages Telepathy doesn't work over the internet. Please use edit summaries. Unexplained edits may be indistiguishable from vandalism. Please use edit summaries. Anoyone can claim to be anyone on WP. Use Reliable, verifiable published sources. "Assume Good Faith" applies to motive, not content. I correct mistakes or errors when I see them, regardless of who made them - AGF means I don't warn for vandalism unless it's quite obvious that it was vandalism. It doesn't menas I can't point out errors and correct them. "Don't bite the Newbies" does't mean it's OK to "eat the oldies"! Don't treat me worse than you would treat vandal if, in your opinion, you think I may have bit a newbie. I'm not the bad guy here either, and I won't be treated like one. I will fight back. Wikipeida is supposed to be an encyclopedia, not a social club. While treating people with fairness and respect is important, it's not the only factor. Let's keep the "main thing" the "main thing", and protect the content as well as the contributors.

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Nice insight

Based upon recent discussions in several places, I have begun work on an essay that seeks to clarify just how and when discussuion of a film-before-its-filming would per policy merit inclusion in some manner, or per GNG even merit a seperate article. Your observation that such coverage might be better looked at per WP:EVENT was the catalyst. Please look over User:MichaelQSchmidt/Future Films and offer your insights. Thanks, Schmidt, 00:31, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

You're welcome, and glad to be of service. Having been through similar AFD discussions regarding the WP:AIRCRASH guidelines over the past 2 years, often quite contentious, that was the angle we eventually had to take. WP as a whole puts more weight into general guidelines over those developed by projects, and we eventually had to "swallow our pride" and scrap our detailed article guidelines! I hope the outcome of your efforts will be embraced by WPFILM in some manner. - BilCat (talk) 11:51, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

A related discussion

Please see Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Film/Future films#Proposed ammendment to section on Process#Notability Your comments toward my attempt at clarity are quite welcome. Schmidt, 00:01, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Template & LTV 1602 update

Bill,

How are you? Just wanted to mention I borrowed your idea and added {{Userspace draft}} tag to my sandbox pages. And I updated your LTV Model 1602 page some. An F-16 book or two of mine list the F404 engine for the Model 1600 design, but the Strike from the Sea book lists the F401. The latter is more likely and makes more sense. So I listed that. Guess I should update the entry in F-16 variants. Take it easy. :) -Fnlayson (talk) 23:25, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, I saw it on antoher userpage, and thought it was a great idea. As to the F404/F401, I agree that the F401 is more likely, as its closer to the thrust class of the F100 and F101. I knew I had a source for F401, but I couldn't remember where it was from. I've been looking for more sources on the F401, but they are few and far between. (Even the excellent recent book that I have by Jack Connors, Pratt & Whitney: A Technical History, only mentions the F401 in passing. Btw, how do you like Strike from the Sea? It's an interesting book, with some great illustrations of unbuilt aircraft. - BilCat (talk) 23:49, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

• I really like the book, but coverage on some types is spread out, like the A-4 for example. -Fnlayson (talk) 01:53, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the kind words

Template:User DGAF4

• I present to you... the five-ass monkey~! --Dave 10:04, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

• BTW, it would be marvelously lovely to hear you out on Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Air France Flight 7. Don't let that nit-wit get into your head, dyslexic or not, you're still a awfully good friend of mine. Best. --Dave 13:29, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks much!! :) - BilCat (talk) 13:46, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

It's live

See Misplaced Pages:Future Films Schmidt, 07:02, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

IPs problematic edits

Please see this on AN/I, which may interest you. Beyond My Ken (talk) 20:05, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Wikinews

Glad you saw from my WN talkpage I wasn't ignoring you. The only reason there's so little news on defence-related topics is the newswriters; as with WP, people tend to write about what they're interested in. Here it manifests as a bit of systemic bias, but in a smaller community like Wikinews it does leave major gaps in reporting. If it's something you're interested in, we'd love to have you come over and try your hand at some newswriting. Blood Red Sandman 10:19, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Crap; I meant to reply to you yesterday but totally forgot. Whoops.

Very well; though of course, you're still welcome to come to Wikinews and see what else you can help with! Unfortunately, what we really need is users who can demonstrate familiarity with our style guide and other standards - and the best way to both learn and demonstrate is of course to try writing. It may be that Misplaced Pages is better suited for your services, though we still value users who mainly contribute outside of mainspace.

Thanks for the tip; I'd be happy to try and convince the user to come accross to Wikinews and see how it grabs him. Blood Red Sandman 13:00, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

some edit might be ok, other edits are not

Hello bilcat, some of your edits to centrifugal compressor might be ok; however some of the edits are not so good. In fact some of what you corrected changed correct statements to wrong statements.

part of the problem here is that there is no general uniformity to the topic of turbomachinery. We have a squirrel cage fan article incorrectly titled as centrifugal fan, in fact a squirrel cage style is a special subclass, the author does not have a npov. We have a tesla geek writing about radial turbines, when he really is trying to promote tesla. we have radial inflow turbine graphics labeled centrifugal compressor. velocity vectors labeling an impeller backwards, we still have crazy discussions about centripetal and centrifugal forces. it doesn't take me an hour to hit 5 major errors. i try to use, plagiarize and cross reference anything i can within wiki.

please give me some advice, i can try to help or i can walk away.

if wiki wants college professors to accept wiki as a reference, it better dam well meet that level of expectation.

my centrifugal compressor article is the closest to college level wiki has throughout the turbomachinery (this includes turbines, compressors, gas turbines, jet engines, turbochargers, fans, blowers, rocket turbo pumps).

centrif comp is not done, 1 section left. i am not saying i wrote perfection, i am expert enough to know i wrote acceptable.

i have worked at ge aircraft engine, Pratt Whitney/carrier/Elliott, cooper turbo compressor, nrec, dresser rand, concepts eti. i have been hired to consult for mit, nasa, doe, air force, rocketdyne, vacuum cleaners, heart pumps (dick Cheney has one of the 2 i worked on), Toyota, Samsung. i have turbomachinery CFD on my personal computer now. i've designed in air nitrogen helium xenon oxygen refrigerants galore blood, water liquid hydrogen and liquid oxygen liquid helium just to name a few. i've got my name on papers and in a book. i don’t have time to be both a wiki expert and turbos. Please help! best regards martin koronowski Mkoronowski (talk) 04:06, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

All I changed were some minor stylistic points, such as undoing some incorrect bolding (including one that bolded half a paragraph), undoing some link piping that incorrectly capitalized non-proper nouns, and moving two images to prevent vertical whitespace at some screen resolutions. If you have problems with those changes, I don't think I can help you. - BilCat (talk) 05:28, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

So, you're a bad person then?

Once I can understand (hey, it's also the number of times I've blocked myself), but twice? And why is the degree of warnings you're issuing to yourself escalating? I don't know what you're up to here Bill, but it scares me. ;) Nick-D (talk) 23:51, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

It's just the warning script I use, and it's easy to be on the wrong diff when I send the warning. - BilCat (talk) 00:32, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

I have to keep my split personalities in line, hence the escalating warning! :) - BilCat (talk) 01:01, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

"Down, sit, stay"! ;) - Ahunt (talk) 10:27, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Yes, my other personality is a dog. Woof. - BilCat (talk) 12:47, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

That looks a little out of order, like "ready, fire, aim". :) -Fnlayson (talk) 16:12, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Piping

Can you point me to the policy for this? Seems very strange to use ] when the target is just ]. Thanks! Plastikspork _―Œ 04:25, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

I can't find it at the moment, but the powers-that-be have decided that all links to DAB pages should go to the "foo (disambiguation)" page, even if it redirects back to "foo". Sounds silly, but they want the kinks to show up as DAB pages on the "what links here", etc. That link on the ] page is not actually ], but Georgia (disambiguation){{!}}Georgia, which diplayes "Georgia", but links to Georgia (disambiguation)/ I don't know for certian that that style is permited/recommended or not, but I've seen it being used, and it seemed better than displaying "Georgia (disambiguation)" in the link. - BilCat (talk) 04:33, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

I looked at WP:DAB#Usage guidelines, which says not to pipe hatnote, so I've removed the piping to leave Georgia (disambiguation). - BilCat (talk) 04:40, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

The Bot that added the piping provided a link to Misplaced Pages:INTDABLINK, with an explanation of its task at User:RussBot#About the hatnote task. I'm not sure why it is piping the link when WP:DAB says not to, but the bot opersators must think they know better than the guidelines. ;) - BilCat (talk) 04:48, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Okay, let me know if you find something more concrete. Georgia (disambiguation) makes sense to me, since the appended "(disambiguation)" tells you that it's disambiguation page. What seemed pointless was Georgia, since there is no added information being displayed there. Thanks! Plastikspork _―Œ 05:06, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

And just after writing this I found this which I followed with this. I can see the bot not wanting to change the appearance, but it seems a bit odd to not just show the "(disambiguation)" part. Thanks. Plastikspork _―Œ 05:10, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Temco T-35 Buckaroo

Evening BillCat. You recently added the phrase "(US naval designation TE-1)" to this article. Later in the text it says TE-1 was a company designation and charts the TE-1A to TE-1B development. It doesn't look right for the USN, as they ran the later Pinto as TT-1, implying it was their first Temco trainer; and there is nothing in the Wiki article to suggest they had Buckaroos. Got a good ref?TSRL (talk) 21:34, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

No, it looks like you're right. I made an errant assumption, so thanks for catching it. - BilCat (talk) 04:11, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Ping~!

--Dave 14:00, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

• Okay, I'm back. Anything for me? --Dave 07:54, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue LXI, March 2011

Your Military History Newsletter Project News: From the editors Articles: The month's featured and A-class Milhist content Members: Contest results, A-class medal recipients Editorial: Dank helps you see what article writers want from reviewers

USAF abbreviations

Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Military_history#Abbreviations_of_USAF_units - Would like your input Ng.j (talk) 21:47, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Notability

1. On March 12, 2003, Singapore Airlines Flight SQ286, a 747–400 departing Auckland, New Zealand for Singapore suffered a serious tailstrike on take-off causing major damage to the tail section of the aircraft. The airplane returned safely with no fatalities reported.(AirDisaster.Com: Accident Photo: Singapore Airlines Boeing 747–400 9V-SMT)
2. On September 27, 2009, Singapore Airlines Flight 333, operated by an Airbus A380, departed from Paris, France, for Singapore. Two and a half hours into the flight, there was a malfunction on one of its engines, which prompted the pilot to shut it down. The flight returned to Paris and made a safe landing. No injuries or deaths were reported.(Singapore Airlines Flight SQ333 Singapore Airlines A380 returns to Paris after engine failure. eTurboNews.com 2009-09-28. Retrieved on 2010-12-16.)

• Bill, please tell me what you think of them (or where to place them: airline, aircraft or airport page?), as I'm facing a Cathay Pacific fanboy from Hong Kong (User:Toyotaboy95) who keeps re-adding them 1 (dated today) and 2 (dated last year) and also making tenditious edit on Singapore Airlines while making this kind of edit at the same time. Thoughts,anyone? --Dave 17:20, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

In my opinion Dave neither of them are notable enough for inclusion at any level, just "bad day at the office" stuff that happens all the time. MilborneOne (talk) 20:17, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

• Thank you and that's what I thought so too, but what about the other issue of Toyotaboy95 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)'s tendentious edit which I've stated above? --Dave 20:24, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

I go and have a look, took it of my watchlist when it had lots of OWN issues a few years ago. MilborneOne (talk) 20:30, 4 May 2011 (UTC)