Revision as of 05:04, 9 March 2006

This is a page for working on Arbitration decisions. It provides for suggestions by Arbitrators and other users and for comment by arbitrators, the parties and others. After the analysis of /Evidence here and development of proposed principles, findings of fact, and remedies. Anyone who edits should sign all suggestions and comments. Arbitrators will place proposed items they have confidence in on /Proposed decision.

Motions and requests by the parties

Motion to Close

1) Agapetos angel submits a motion to close these proceedings one week from today.

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• I think another week should be sufficient time for all parties to respond. agapetos_angel 04:02, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

I am a very minor party in this RfA, so my opinion is not that important. However, I think that a week seems reasonable to me unless any other parties have objections. JoshuaZ 04:10, 9 March 2006 (UTC) Removing my comment per Guettarda. Sorry about that. I have no prior experience with RfAs. JoshuaZ 04:32, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

• I find this motion puzzling - I have never come across anything of the sort in an arbcomm case. I would strongly oppose any motion of this sort, inasmuch as I have barely started with my evidence, the "ink's" barely dry Joshua's evidence, there's been no discussion of the evidence, and quite frankly, it's totally unreasonable to expect the arbcomm to bump this one ahead of all the other open cases. Guettarda 04:26, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
• What's the rush? I see no compelling reason to rush the arbcomm here. FeloniousMonk 05:04, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

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Proposed principles

Edit warring

1) Edit wars or revert wars are considered harmful, because they cause ill-will between users and negatively destabilize articles. Editors are encouraged to explore alternate methods of dispute resolution.

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Dispute resolution

1) Comments about contributor rather than content of the article in article talk is considered harmful. Editors are encouraged to explore alternate methods of dispute resolution.

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• Article talk should be used solely to discuss the article without disruptive accusations and misinformation about contributor. There are specific WP:DR rules which must be followed. agapetos_angel 04:14, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

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Disruption

1) Users may be banned or otherwise restricted for editing in a way that constitutes clear and intentional disruption.

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• This should include disruption on the talk pages as well when the disruption leads to a hostile environment. agapetos_angel 04:14, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

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Writing about yourself

1) Editors should avoid contributing to articles about themselves or subjects in which they are personally involved, as it is difficult to maintain a neutral point of view while doing so. See Misplaced Pages:Autobiography.

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• Dispute resolution process must be followed to determine if there is a conflict, rather than using the article's talk and other avenues of attempting to invade privacy. agapetos_angel 04:14, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

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Privacy

1) Misplaced Pages has fostered a conclusive presumption of privacy. An editor can chose to retain their privacy with the expectation that violation attempts are prohibited under harassment. Violations of privacy used to subdue an opponent must be considered especially grievous and addressed with stronger sanctions.

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• Likewise, an editor's reason for privacy should also not be assumed and/or publicly analysed. agapetos_angel 04:30, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

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Sockpuppets

1) Abuse of sockpuppet accounts, such as using them to evade blocks, bans, and user accountability–and especially to make personal attacks or reverts, or vandalize–is strictly forbidden. See Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppets.

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Misplaced Pages is not a soapbox

1) Misplaced Pages is not to be used for advocacy or self-promotion. See Misplaced Pages is not a soapbox.

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Meatpuppets

1) A new user who engages in the same behavior as another user in the same context, and who appears to be editing Misplaced Pages solely for that purpose, shall be subject to the remedies applied to the user whose behavior they are joining.

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Sockpuppetry & Meatpuppetry

1) Agapetos angel has used several suspected sockpuppets and meatpuppets to lend support in discussions, plant misinformation, and make reverts. These include User:Dennis Fuller, User:Phloxophilos, User:220.245.180.133, User:220.245.180.134, User:220.245.180.130, User:58.162.252.236, User:58.162.255.242 and User:58.162.251.204.

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• Regarding the 58* IPs: Errors in posting under dynamic IP means that I cannot state with certainty that I did not post under 58.162.252.236 and 58.162.245.148. It is hard to tell at this date and the subject matter is ambiguous enough that authorship cannot be determined. However, neither was used as sockpuppets to bolster any sort of opinion, so the accusation is invalid. The rest of the 58* IP postings are neither mine nor sock puppets. Proximity is not proof of puppetry. (I know for a fact that 58.162.251.204 is not mine because participation was after I stopped editing the Sarfati article, and the style of writing and topics of discussion are different.) I have freely admitted to knowing 58.162.255.242 . This user is not and was not a sock or meat puppet. This was a frustrated editor who went overboard in presenting issues, and who stopped editing that article upon my request. I cleaned up that mess with the help of the other editors and the RfC mediated by Durova. Regarding User:Dennis Fuller: DennisF and I were in conflict on the Answers in Genesis article, and his user talk page speculates on my identity. This should be sufficient proof that he is not my sock or meat puppet. Regarding 220*: These editors may be the same person or not. None are my sock or meat puppets. Based on information from User:Alex Law, TPG has a cluster of proxies used by TPG 220.245.180. 130/131/133/133/134, and he is one of thousands that use that proxy (no implication against AL intended at all). TPG is 'one of Australia’s largest Internet and Network Service Providers (ISPs)' Regarding User:Phloxophilos: I have had no contact at all with User:Phloxophilos and this user is not my sock or meat puppet. agapetos_angel

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2) User:FeloniousMonk posts (IP 144.160.130.16 ) from California. The following anon users should be considered sock or meat puppets of FeloniousMonk: User:24.23.142.32,User:66.81.128.86, User:66.81.141.123, User:69.19.150.170,User:69.19.150.235,User:70.182.0.5. They all resolve to California, and posted in a similar manner while being used to edit Jonathan Sarfati.

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• WP:POINT would be applicable if the anon users had no connection to the articles in question. However, all the listed anon editors made changes to Jonathan Sarfati from the same state as FM, and many in the same manner as FM. I've clarified this in the proposed statement. agapetos_angel 03:59, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

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• The above seems to be WP:POINT. The person proposing this may want to re-think using WP:POINT in the middle of arbitration case. --FloNight 18:03, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

3) user:Jim62sch revealed his IP which resolves to Philadelphia (xxxx.phlapa.east.xxxx.net). user:Rainbowpainter made one article edit since joining, adding to the conflict on Jonathan Sarfati, and the user page states 'Philadelphia Flyers fan'. User:Duncharris posted a suspected sock puppet box on Jim's user page which Jim removed . Therefore, evidence shows that Rainbowpainter is a Jim62sch sock meat puppet.

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• Rainbowpainter is my wife and can make whatever edits she wishes to make, as neither she nor I are subjects of the article in question. Dunc's tag was something Dunc will explain. Jim62sch 01:15, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

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Discourtesy

1) Agapetos angel has frequently misrepresented herself and others, engaged in personal attacks against other editors, and been generally uncivil.

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• Accusations of misrepresentation, personal attacks, and incivility have to be viewed in context and with regard to like participation by other editors. If my use of trolling and drivel is subject to a penalty, then sanctions must be fairly applied to all editors that have used the same or similar terms, including the other editors named in this arbitration. Context of the situation must also be taken into account (e.g., in response to spamming of worse incivility such as false accusations of forgery, dishonesty, and lying, or in response to a nonsense post on my own user page). It is my understanding that use of profanity in edit summary is not an offence that is sanctioned. I submit that my usage of these words was far more civil than profanity and appropriate to the circumstances. agapetos_angel 03:59, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

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Writing about yourself

1) Agapetos angel has contributed to articles in which she is personally involved and has failed to maintain a neutral point of view while doing so. See Misplaced Pages:Autobiography.

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• Evidence submitted privately to ArbCom negates this claim. A tenuous affiliation was drawn by a single online source and used in an attempt to silence an opponent. Further cache evidence shows that the changes were manufactured during the timing of the conflict. Also, a quote was misattributed (now retracted) and posted as evidence of affiliation. Misplaced Pages was repeatedly disrupted rather than these editors following proper dispute procedure. agapetos_angel 03:59, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

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• Agapetos angel acted with admirable fairness on Answers in Genesis. Durova 20:05, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Disruption of Jonathan Sarfati

1) Agapetos angel disrupted the Jonathan Sarfati article through edit warring and repeated 3RR violations.

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• The 3RR sanctions were applied erroneously, as close examination of the evidence will reveal. False reporting led to the sanctions being imposed. In the first instance, there was no report filed because Duncharris blocked me while involved in the edits. In the second, there were several edits listed and most were unconnected (separate edits). In the third, there was misinformation posted and retracted, and the edit that was fourth on the list was unrelated to the other three (which means that 3RR was not violated). agapetos_angel 03:59, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

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2) FeloniousMonk, Duncharris, and Jim62sch disrupted Jonathan Sarfati, Answers in Genesis, and Ken Ham by posting accusations and misinformation in article and talk rather than following proper dispute procedure. See WP:DR

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3) FeloniousMonk, Duncharris, and Guettarda disrupted Jonathan Sarfati with abusive rollbacks and reverts.

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Misplaced Pages is not a soapbox

1) Agapetos angel (and her sockpuppets/meatpuppets) has used Misplaced Pages as a vehicle for promotion of a particular view of Jonathan Sarfati and Answers in Genesis.

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• This has been negated by evidence to the contrary. The dispute page at Sarfati instituted nearly all my original points as valid and supported as correct by the moderartor. Participation on AIG resulted in a Barnstar award. I have not used sock or meat puppets. agapetos_angel 03:59, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

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• I strongly object to that characterization regarding Answers in Genesis and mildly object to it regarding Jonathan Sarfati. See my other coments. Durova 20:09, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

2) FeloniousMonk, Duncharris, Guettarda, and Jim62sch have disruptively used Misplaced Pages as a vehicle for promotion of a particular view on Jonathan Sarfati.

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• This is illustrated by the dispute page, where positive results were accomplished with the mediator in just over one week when these editors were not disrupting the process as they had on the article's talk page. agapetos_angel 03:59, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

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Tendentious editing

1) Agapetos angel and her sockpuppets/meatpuppets have engaged in many sustained agressive edit wars in an attempt to rewrite Jonathan Sarfati to fit their point of view.

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• Again, the evidence disproves the accusation (This is just a remix of the above accusations). agapetos_angel 03:59, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

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2) FeloniousMonk restricted inclusion of material into Jonathan Sarfati by insisting on a misapplication of WP:V.

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• WP:V states that verifiability 'does not mean that editors are expected to verify' material, and in fact strongly discourages 'conducting this kind of research'. However, FM insisted on validation of articles and validation of journal peer-review before he would allow inclusion of the material which was obtained from a reputable source. agapetos_angel 03:59, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

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3) FeloniousMonk, Guettarda, Duncharris, and Jim62sch used claims of WP:CON, a guideline, to promote a POV that violated WP:V, WP:NPV, and WP:NOR.

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• Removal of the long standing subsection 'Scientist?' was appropriate per official policies WP:V, WP:NOR, and WP:NPV, and guideline WP:LIVING. However, these editors insisted that the material was WP:CON, disregarding that WP:CON states that it does not override the official policies. This fact was confirmed by moderator SlimVirgin on the dispute page. agapetos_angel 03:59, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

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Proposed remedies

Note: All remedies that refer to a period of time, for example to a ban of X months or a revert parole of Y months, are to run concurrently unless otherwise stated.

Agapetos angel banned from certain articles

1) Agapetos angel is banned from editing Jonathan Sarfati, Answers in Genesis and any articles related to Creation Ministries International.

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• I object to a proposed ban on Answers in Genesis. This and other users' reaction to RfC was so positive and productive that I awarded a collective barnstar. The conflict at Jonathan Sarfati in no way affected that reward, since I learned about it afterward. Durova 20:08, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

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