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== Clarification required on scope of Israel-Palestine articles ==

All articles in the Palestine-Israel conflict space are currently under a 1-revert per day restriction. There's an article - ] - that deals with events in July- August of 1947 (hanging of 2 British mandate soldiers by Irgun) which to me is obviously within the scope of the restriction. An editor has claimed that because Israel was only founded in 1948, and because the incident involves only Jews and British, that article is not subject to the restriction (and by implication, neither do any articles that deal with events prior to May 1948, or that do not involve both Arabs and Jews). I think that can't be right, but perhaps I'm mistaken, so I think some clarification is needed. I've asked an uninvolved administrator (AGK) who has been active in enforcing arbitration requests here, and he has voiced agreement with my view (see http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk%3AAGK&action=historysubmit&diff=433038275&oldid=433036853), but suggested it might be useful to ask for clarification here, as well. ] (]) 15:47, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

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    Alinor

    Placed on-notice of ARBMAC#Discretionary sanctions. Request for clarification filed at WP:A/R/CL. AGK 14:58, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
    The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.


    Request concerning Alinor

    User who is submitting this request for enforcement
    Ladril (talk) 21:34, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
    User against whom enforcement is requested
    Alinor (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
    Sanction or remedy to be enforced
    ]

    While under a topic-ban from Kosovo-related articles, Alinor did engage in a edit-war in an article related to the same topic (or to be more precise, he edit-warred over the same topic on a related article). Note the current sanction was for edit-warring.


    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

    March 4, 2011. Alinor was topic-banned from Kosovo-related articles for a period of three months . After this happens:

    1. A long dispute over the sorting criteria for List of sovereign states ends in an informal mediation stage. A rough consensus emerges, but two users (Alinor among them) refuse to compromise with the majority. The mediator closes the mediation as unresolved.

    2. While moving to close the mediation, the mediator states: "I suggest that a sufficient consensus on sandbox 3i2 has developed here for it to be implemented directly over any objections. Those who might still object are (obviously) within their rights to challenge that action, but I strongly recommend that any such challenge not involve further debate between these participants, but be turned over to third parties via RfC, 3rd Opinion, formal mediation, or arbitration."

    3. Indeed, the mediation closes with thirteen users accepting this sandbox as a new version of the page to be improved on. You can see evidence of acceptance here . The "3i2 version" becomes the consensual version accepted by thirteen users, while the two opposers (Alinor among them) continue to object to it without proposing any alternative than convinces the community. Note this sandbox was created and proposed on 21 May.

    4. Time is given for the sandbox to be reviewed and objections raised. Since no more users object about it, it is incorporated into the main article space on 29 May. It should be noted that the two opposers made no alternative proposals during this period, despite being repeatedly prompted to do so (they continued to cling to their positions made during the mediation, failing to compromise with the consensus adopted by the other users). The acceptance of this version is not implied to be a claim on ownership of the article or to unilaterally close the dispute resolution process.

    5. , , , One of the two opposers begins to edit war over the consensus version with several other users, intending to restore the previous version . An uninvolved administrator intervenes and determines this version is the consensus version.

    6. After the administrator has made his call, Alinor continues the edit war, claiming no consensus exists. Page is protected after this.

    On the talk page and on the mediation, Alinor has stated repeatedly that his reasons for opposing the consensus have to do in part with how "RoK" (Republic of Kosovo) is portrayed. Three examples: , , . He is not satisfied with the current consensus but instead of following proper avenues for continuing dispute resolution, has engaged in edit-warring.

    Alinor, during the duration of a temporal topic ban, knowingly and willingly engaged in an edit war in a related article, explicitly stating that one of his reasons to edit-war was an inconformity with the portrayal of Kosovo in the page. I argue that this is acting against the spirit of the previous sanction applied to Alinor. I read that in the previous case, where he earned the topic-ban, he edit-warred, tried to WP:BLUDGEON the process and did not engage in constructive listening of other people's points (WP:HEAR). He apparently did not learn anything from the previous AE, because he is adopting the same behaviour in this case.


    Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)

    At the time of engaging in the edit war (June 1) , Alinor was under a three-month topic ban (set to expire on June 4, 2011). Appropriate admin warnings and arbitration decisions can be found here:


    Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction)

    Extension of the current topic ban.

    Additional comments by editor filing complaint

    In case somebody wants to argue that Alinor did not "edit war" because he made only one edit to the page, it must be emphasized again that an administrator intervened to restore a page to a consensual version after an edit-war, and Alinor continued the edit war in defiance of the admin action.

    In addition, this probably goes without saying, but if my behaviour in this case deserves a sanction I am completely willing to accept it, no questions asked.

    Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

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    @T.Canens, is there any obvious reason to treat this any harsher than any other 'ethnic' AE area? In other words, is there a good reason to think that this slightly different wording was deliberate? - BorisG (talk) 13:52, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

    Result concerning Alinor

    This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above.

    One second. The drafting of WP:ARBKOS is....not a work of art. WP:ARBKOS#Modified states that "editors of Kosovo and related articles who engage in edit warring, incivility, original research, or other disruptive editing, may be banned for an appropriate period of time, in extreme cases indefinitely." What ban are we talking about here? Contemporary cases, such as Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Honda S2000, seems to indicate that "ban" here is used in the sense of a site ban or block and not a topic ban. Has Alinor been warned about WP:ARBMAC#Discretionary sanctions? T. Canens (talk) 12:43, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

    The case log reveals six occasions where bans from Kosovo have been issued since 2006. Principle #3 says "Users who disrupt the editing of an article or set of articles may be banned from those articles, or, in extreme cases, from the site." This suggests that bans from 'a set of articles' were considered doable. ARBKOS makes no requirement to issue a warning before sanctions are imposed and no warnings appear in the log, though warnings might be a good practice from now on. EdJohnston (talk) 13:31, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
    One could say, though, that those bans came under the article probation (Remedy 8) rather than remedy 9.1. I still think the latter is better read as site-banning/blocking provision rather than a topic/page ban provision. T. Canens (talk) 13:42, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
    @BorisG: date of the decision. The Kosovo case is one of the earliest "ethnic" cases, as you put it. You'll find that early arbcom decisions involved such odd remedies as "banned for one day (!)" and often refer to enforcement actions as bans rather than blocks. The more standardized remedies and discretionary sanctions did not come about until much later. There is also the problem of making remedy 8 superfluous since article probation includes page bans. One can certainly argue that the ARBKOS remedies are anachronistic (no required warning, etc.), and it probably is, but until arbcom "modernizes" it that's what we have to work with. T. Canens (talk) 14:14, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

    I propose that we formally warn Alinor per WP:ARBMAC#Discretionary sanctions and call it a day. I find working with ARBKOS excessively frustrating. For instance, which enforcement provision should we follow, Misplaced Pages:ARBKOS#Enforcement by block or Misplaced Pages:ARBKOS#Enforcement by block 2? Perhaps we can request clarification from arbcom (except that none of the arbs who participated in that decision are serving), but I don't think it's worth the effort given that the general sanctions of ARBKOS would have been entirely subsumed by ARBMAC but for the additional warning requirement, which is not that big of a deal. T. Canens (talk) 14:29, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

    That sounds reasonable (use ARBMAC from now on). The two 'Enforcement by block' clauses look to be competing remedies. The arbs should have made a choice and only passed one of the two. EdJohnston (talk) 16:01, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

    Interjection: I wasn't on the Committee in 2006 but it appears that EdJohnston is correct, that enforcement 1 and enforcement 2 were meant as alternatives but wound up both being passed instead. From the proposed decision page, I suspect that enforcement 2 would probably have been first choice if anyone had asked the arbitrators at the time, but it's too late now. I also agree, individually, that T. Canens' suggestion to use the more up-to-date remedy structure from the Macedonia case makes sense. If anyone wants to post a request for clarification to make this more official, I have no objection. Newyorkbrad (talk) 17:23, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

    • Per T. Canens, Alinor is placed on notice of the discretionary sanctions provisions of WP:ARBMAC#Discretionary sanctions (with that notice logged appropriately). I've also, as suggested, submitted a request for clarification with the Committee, in order to determine which of the enforcement provisions of WP:ARBKOS should be used and which should be discarded. AGK 14:58, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

    Communicat

    Blocked for one week. T. Canens (talk) 17:08, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
    The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

    Request concerning Communicat

    User who is submitting this request for enforcement
    Nick-D (talk) 23:41, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
    User against whom enforcement is requested
    Communicat (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) (currently editing as 196.215.76.234 (talk · contribs) )
    Sanction or remedy to be enforced
    Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/World War II#Remedies
    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

    Communicat has recently returned to editing using an IP address. To date, his only edits have been to launch personal attacks on the other editors who were involved in this arbitration case and continue the dispute:

    1. 31 May First personal attack and also repeats arguments concerning the World War II article
    2. 31 May second personal attack (not terribly serious)
    3. 2 June third and most serious attack in which Communicat again rehashes his arguments concerning the World War II article made in the arbitration case. Interestingly, he also discloses here that he is in fact Stan Winer, the author of the unreliable source Communicat was pushing.

    Note that Communicat has a history of using IP accounts to talk about himself in the third person and carry on disputes for which he has been blocked (for instance, here - that this was Communicat is confirmed by this edit from the same IP account. That account (196.210.181.54 (talk · contribs)) has a similar IP address and geolocates to the same area of South Africa as 196.215.76.234, providing further evidence that this is Communicat.

    Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)

    Not applicable

    Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction)

    The above posts are a clear violation of both sanctions which were imposed on Communicat (to not edit or comment on articles concerning World War II and its aftermath and to not make personal attacks on other editors) and I ask that the IP account and Communicat's account be blocked per Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/World War II#Enforcement Nick-D (talk) 23:41, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

    Additional comments by editor filing complaint
    Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

    Communicat account: IP account:


    Discussion concerning Communicat

    Statement by Communicat

    Comments by others about the request concerning Communicat

    • Comments by Binksternet. The IP 196.215.76.234 is from South Africa, a known residence of Stan Winer. I must assume that the IP is indeed Communicat as well as Stan Winer. I recommend that the IP and Communicat be blocked indefinitely. Binksternet (talk) 01:59, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
    I also note that Communicat has not made a single edit after the closure of that ArbCom case. He does not seem interested in editing any areas of Misplaced Pages outside of the rather narrow area of his topic ban. - BorisG (talk) 13:47, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

    Result concerning Communicat

    This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above.
    • I'm thinking about a 1-week AE block, with a warning to edit from the account only or risk an indef. Unfortunately the IP range is too wide to effectively rangeblock. T. Canens (talk) 12:30, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
    • T. Canens: A one-week block seems sensible to me. As this is not a complex request, the next administrator to read this is welcome to immediately implement the block. If nobody does so soon, I'll go ahead. AGK 11:41, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

    Lutrinae

    Topic banned from I/P, 4 months. Restricted to one account on I/P pages, 1 year. AGK 11:43, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
    The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.


    Request concerning Lutrinae

    User who is submitting this request for enforcement
    Sean.hoyland - talk 10:14, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
    User against whom enforcement is requested
    Lutrinae (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
    Sanction or remedy to be enforced
    Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Palestine-Israel_articles#Discretionary_sanctions
    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

    There are so many violations of the sanctions that I'm struggling a bit to know where to start here. This is a single purpose account who seems to be a textbook example of the kind of tendentious and disruptive editor the sanctions were designed to keep under control. I and others have tried to be patient with this editor but it hasn't helped. Intervention is now required.

    This all started at the beginning of February 2011 when the editor started editing the Palestinian people article from dynamic IP's listed below, registered to the University of Hawaii.

    He subsequently registered as Lutrinae on 28 April 2011, two days after the article was semi-protected because of disruption , much of which was caused by him.

    Disruptive misuse of edit summaries

    He has a very bad habit of using edit summaries that misrepresent the nature of his edits.

    Here the editor removes reliably sourced, policy compliant material

    • ES = "grammatical corrections and a few removals of obviously contradictory information"

    He was reverted.

    • Reverted ES = "That was a deliberately missleading summary for contentious POV edits"

    He repeated the edit together with a few more changes.

    • ES = "Khalidi and Sorek are both expressing opinions that contradict the rest of the article. Just because someone said it doesn't mean we can use it as a coat hanger for political opinions. Removed weasel words like "distinctiveness" and "homeland."

    He was reverted again.

    • ES = "This user is again using deliberately misleading edit summaries in order to make POV edits"

    He repeated the edit together with a few more changes.

    • ES = "Removing POV material from fringe historians Sodek and Khalidi. Their quotes are both used to imply Palestinians are "ancient" inhabitants of the land. Weasel words, Mr. Roland, look it up. "longing for a lost homeland" is inappropriate"

    He was reverted again.

    • ES = "rv; your edits do a lot more than just remove two historians you claim are fringe"

    I think the cycle was repeated at least one more time.

    A particularly disruptive cycle

    Here is the beginning of a particularly disruptive cycle. The editor removed information from an impeccably reliable academic source by Assaf Likhovski, a book that was awarded the Yonathan Shapiro Best Book Award in Israel Studies in 2007. He also removed 2 more reliable references.

    • ES = "PLO has a dual role. The Syrian-Pally conference was overstated before. The "prevailing notion" weaseling has been removed."

    To his credit he came to my talk page to explain. Unfortunately that made matters worse.

    Please read it in full because it provides an overview of everything that is wrong with this editor's approach in microcosm. Can I ask that only admins who are willing to look at the substance of the discussion and spend the time to read it involve themselves in this AE report please ? It isn't very long but it includes examples of the editor's extreme tendentiousness, the disruptive dismissing of reliably sourced information based on his own real world opinions, an admission that he didn't read the source cited, an accusation that I didn't read the source (...somewhat puzzling given that I added the content and source...please note the effort I made to make sure that he could see the source for himself), and the extraordinary degree to which the editor assumes bad faith. The editor has repeated his removal of this information again , and again , and again (note that he refers to content from an RS as OR, a common theme). Before the last edit I posted a warning on the article talk page Talk:Palestinian_people#Stop_the_disruption at 05:30, 3 June 2011 (UTC) that I would take this to AE if it continues. The disruption has not stopped. He still went ahead with the last edit and he continues to repeat the false and bizarre accusations about having "caught me in a lie" about the Likhovski source despite the extensive discussions on my talk page where I made sure he could see it for humself, despite me reminding him of that, and despite another editor, OhioStandard, explaining it to him again. I have demanded that he strike the accusations. I don't mind what he accuses me of no matter how ludicrous it is and but he can't be allowed to behave like this in the topic area.

    Repeated disruptive removal of pictures

    The editor has repeatedly removed pictures, some of which are featured pictures, and has been reverted by multiple users. (see , , , and . I may have missed some. I had a discussion with the editor about this disruption on my talk page early in the cycle. User_talk:Sean.hoyland/Archive_3#Palestinian_pictures. It also been discussed on the article talk page to no avail (Talk:Palestinian_people#A_leaner_article_would_be_a_better_article.)

    There have also been various other issues such as objections to his repeated use of the term "Pally" to describe Palestinians, his tendentious style of arguing without sources and what not. I will supply diffs if necessary later.

    Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)
    1. Warned on 6 June 2011 by Malik Shabazz (talk · contribs)
    Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction)

    topic ban...at least for a while. Let him learn to edit in other areas for a while.

    Additional comments by editor filing complaint

    This editor is not all bad. Some of his challenges have been useful (e.g. I made some picture captioning changes in light of somne of his comments) but he must not be allowed to carry on as he is right now in this topic area. He needs to learn at the very least to provide sources to support his statements and to stop voicing his personal opinions....and of course not making patently false accusations.

    Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

    Discussion concerning Lutrinae

    Statement by Lutrinae

    Comment by Zero0000

    This filing is overdue. Lutrinae is pure disruption with no redeeming features. He can't even bear the word "Palestinian" which he thinks is a "ridiculous phrase" , preferring instead the word "Pally" that is popular on racist web pages. Please help him to go away so we can get some proper editing done. Zero 10:49, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

    Comments by others about the request concerning Lutrinae

    Result concerning Lutrinae

    This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above.
    • I will review this request presently. In the interim, I request that everybody only makes comments that relate to the merits or specifics of this request, and that comments by editors involved in the Palestine/Israel topic are kept to a minimum. Thank you. AGK 11:06, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
    • Result: Having reviewed the Lutrinae's contributions (under all of his account names), it is readily apparent that this editor is a disruptive influence on the articles he is editing. He cannot seem to keep his anti-Palestine bias from affecting his edits. Accordingly, Lutrinae is prohibited (topic-banned) from editing any Israel/Palestine page for 4 months, and prohibited from editing any I/P page from an account other than his primary account for 1 year. (These restrictions are to run concurrently, and are per WP:ARBPIA#Discretionary sanctions.) AGK 11:38, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
    • Editor notified and result logged at ARBPIA. Closing request for enforcement as resolved. AGK 11:43, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

    Clarification required on scope of Israel-Palestine articles

    All articles in the Palestine-Israel conflict space are currently under a 1-revert per day restriction. There's an article - The Sergeants affair - that deals with events in July- August of 1947 (hanging of 2 British mandate soldiers by Irgun) which to me is obviously within the scope of the restriction. An editor has claimed that because Israel was only founded in 1948, and because the incident involves only Jews and British, that article is not subject to the restriction (and by implication, neither do any articles that deal with events prior to May 1948, or that do not involve both Arabs and Jews). I think that can't be right, but perhaps I'm mistaken, so I think some clarification is needed. I've asked an uninvolved administrator (AGK) who has been active in enforcing arbitration requests here, and he has voiced agreement with my view (see http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk%3AAGK&action=historysubmit&diff=433038275&oldid=433036853), but suggested it might be useful to ask for clarification here, as well. Red Stone Arsenal (talk) 15:47, 7 June 2011 (UTC)