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Yogiraj Gurunath Siddhanath

Well, I will give YGS the benefit of the doubt...for now. I do hope Hamsacharya dan or someone starts a properly objective NPOV page about him. I am doing some research. I think I may have found a classmate of his so I can add his birth name to any new article. (Do you know it?) I too would like to see the question of who YGS's living Nath Guru was and did he explicitly receive parampara? When and where was he initiated? How can he claim to be of the Adi-Nath Sampradaya when that sub-sect was a sannyasin sub-sect? Was he at one time a sannyasin and later renounce those vows? If so, he could be a Nath, but not an Adi Nath, but only if he has a valid lineage. If there are no answers to these questions, there will certainly be a disputed assertions section added to his biography. I personally do not want to do so because I don't want it to look like sectarian infighting, but somebody will have to do it, and do it correctly and without malice or rancor. Of course, all this is separate from the issue of Misplaced Pages not allowing cut & paste from copyrighted sites. Just because HD is a member and teacher doesn't mean he is the copyright agent. I doubt the real copyright agent will release the text under the GFDL if he know what that means. In any case, the current page was not NPOV and so was inappropriate for Wikiepdia. –Adityanath 01:44, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Brother

I will have to leave this mess in your capable hands. Do what you will, I've removed the warning and will clear from admin messageboard. I will be on vacation for a week starting tomorrow. You must eat this message :-) You should be aware that Mercury is retrograde until March 25th. It will be hard to control the speech of rascals. Please keep an eye on Nath and Adi-Nath for me. I will disappear until Mercury goes direct again then clean up any remaining mess. Remember, eat this message. —Adityanath 23:15, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Yes brother, I will also ask for the help of other people. God bless!

No To Frauds 23:19, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Beware, the cat's out of the bag and the mice are slippery. Have hope as the owl comes to roost.

Babaji nam bhajalo Hara Haraji nam Hara Haraji nam bhajalo Babaji nam!

—unowho

Best Defense

These two paragraphs will be your best defense. The last one shows that YGS's views of flat earth proportions in popularity. Do a similar comparison between "Adi Nath" and "Shiv-Goraksha Babaji" as well as "Goraknath" and the same if need be. It'll prove almost nobody believes or even cares about YGS's theories. :-) —Adityanath 00:35, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

As to the minority view, that's easy. Yogananda's book came out in 1946 and has been continuously in print since then. YGS's first book appears to have come out in 2001. On Amazon.com, there are multiple editions of Autobiography of a Yogi, and the top selling one is ranked #5,110 on Amazon's list of top sellers. YGS's top seller is Wings of Freedom and is ranked at #439,408. It's an objective fact that Yogananda is more than 85 times more popular than YGS. So logically YGS should get about 1/85th (1.2%) of the space in this article. We're being generous. —Adityanath 19:41, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Another indicator of how minority a view it is: there are a total of 52 web pages according to Google containing the term "Shiv-Goraksha Babaji" compared with 16,200 pages containing the phrase "Mahavatar Babaji." WP does take these sorts of things into account if they have to arbitrate a dispute. This result says that only 0.3% of all pages on Mahavatar Babaji mention Shiv-Goraksha Babaji. That's flat earth territory. —Adityanath 19:58, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Your vandal problems

I've added the pages you mentioned on my talk page to my watch list. I'm on recent changes patrol, and will review all changes made to those pages. Let me know if there's anything else you'd like me to watch. JDoorjam Talk 23:53, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Thank you so much, JDoorjam, in behalf of all those who are being affected by Hamsacharya Dan's relentless vandalism.

No To Frauds 01:07, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Your request

Greetings. After looking over things as you asked, I have posted a proposal at Talk:Yogiraj Gurunath Siddhanath (that is where the most recent talk page activity was when I was ready to reply to your request, no other reason) for a way to negotiate out of the current impasse. Please have a look and let me know what you think. Regards, --Fire Star 21:24, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Personal attacks

I did also warn Hamsacharya dan about personal attacks and I see that Fire Star has also warned people on Talk:Yogiraj Gurunath Siddhanath about them as well. By using the stop sign and the form it caused it to appear as if it was an offical Misplaced Pages warning which of course it was not. I am only interested in making sure that the personal attacks stop and if either you or Hamsacharya dan continue to make them then I will get involved again. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 22:51, 11 March 2006 (UTC)